All right. Good morning, everybody. It is 9.31 on Tuesday, June 23rd. We're going to go ahead and get started here. Thank you, everyone, for coming. Let's start with introductions on the left. Colleen Hampsey, Council Research. Carla Schell, Office of General Counsel. Philip Peterson, Council Auditor. Ron Salem, Group 2 at Large. Joe Carlucci, District 5. Matt Carlucci at Large, Group 4. What's that sound? Can we fix the reverb, please? All right. Thanks for being with me. We just had some technical issues up here. We can kind of hear crackling up here, so that's what we were just addressing. All right. So, we will go ahead and get started with a general update from Mr. Colin Tarbert. Come on down. Good morning, everyone. My name is Colin Tarbert. I'm the CEO of the Downtown Investment Authority, and it's great to be back with you all. We do have a number of DIA staff members as well as our board member here in case you have any questions for us. But in terms of the special committee, we're just going to – this is the general update. The chair had asked just for a project update in terms of a number of the things that we've presented before you already. And then we do have one preview, as we've been doing at the special committee for our board meeting, which is tomorrow. So, in terms of project updates, I'll just kind of run down the high-level important projects here. We have Gateway N7, which is the mixed-use project, 270 units anchored with a Publix grocery store. You see the rendering there. We did file that legislation, I believe, last week. So, that will be making its way to the council in the near future. The second project we have is the Riverfront Restaurant, which we presented to this committee a number of times. And so, we are now working on our term sheet, which has been drafted, and we've received comments from Atlas Restaurant Group. And so, I'm pretty optimistic that we'll be able to finalize the lease and bring that to the council in the next couple months. Hotel Marydell, which is another project that we previewed with this committee, is also known as the Ambassador Project. That is being drafted. And so, I'd say probably maybe a month or so away from filing that legislation as well. The Culinary Institute of America, which I know you are all very familiar with. We are 60 days into our 90-day due diligence period. So, the DIA Board, in April, approved moving forward with a proposal with corner lot and aspect to secure Culinary Institute of America on Bay Street. And so, we've been meeting essentially bi-weekly with the development team and working to create a draft or create a term sheet that will be presented to the DIA Board, hopefully within that 90-day period, although we've given ourselves up to 180 days to complete that. Snyder Memorial Church disposition. We've got a couple sort of real estate issues to deal with. One is just finalizing an easement with the adjacent property, but we've been working with that property owner, and the easement is drafted. And hopefully that will be finalized and the intent is to put out a formal disposition for Snyder probably towards the end of the summer, August, September timeframe. We've been doing a lot of outreach and tours of the property and engaging with potential developers for that. So, we want to continue that process. And then when we put it out, we have, of course, Tacona silence. So, we're unable to do that. So, we're just kind of building interest in the property right now. Design guidelines. We have an RFQ, which closes tomorrow or on Thursday. And that will be hiring a consultant to review our current design guidelines and hopefully make them a little bit more streamlined and usable for developers. And then we're also working on what we call the digital twin. This is essentially a digital model that we'll be able to use for planning purposes. So, we're working with IT. So, a lot of this will be done in-house. But in terms of creating the actual buildings that you'll see in the digital model, that will be a third party. So, we'll have an RFP on the street soon for that. And then last but not least, and you'll see this in the presentation that's coming up, is the downtown sort of storytelling and investment narrative. So, tomorrow I'll present at the DIA board some funding to put towards that effort, which is really just kind of capturing everything that we want to say in a unified voice. And we're doing that in partnership with DVI. Okay, thank you. Just, is that the only slide or is there another one? I have one more on RTIA. So, I'm happy to take questions. Okay, I just have two questions. The Culinary Institute of America, did their board give any indication on, wasn't there a vote or something that was happening with their board? So, what I understand is that the CIA did meet. This was a discussion item, but they haven't formally made any announcement. I think they are working to kind of coordinate with the local parties here to make a more formal announcement. Okay, I thought that was supposed to happen at their board meeting in June. Is that? They did meet, they met last week. I do think there was a, this item was discussed, but they were kind of, they didn't want to make a formal announcement at that time. I think they want to wait and do it in partnership with the folks here. That's really unfortunate because we passed the ordinance for them for that meeting. So, if they're listening, it seems like we just did that for nothing. No, I think they needed that in order to have that meeting and have that discussion. I think they just didn't want to make a formal announcement without working with you all in the city. So, I think that's why you haven't heard a headline. Well, that's fine. We'll take that offline. But my under, my impression was it could have been a resolution, but people said, stood right there at that dais and said, no, it has to be an ordinance because they want to know we've got skin in the game and they've got a board meeting. We got to get this, got to get this. So, we'll take it offline, but I don't like that. Second thing is, is there any update on the iLife building? I don't see that on the list. I know that's something that you've been kind of going back and forth on. They've reached out to us. There was an issue with unpaid property taxes on that property, which we did our due diligence and discovered that. We were told by the current owners that they have now paid their property taxes. Okay. So, they're interested in coming in for a DDRB or completion grant. But in my view, given the work that we've been doing with this committee and putting out sort of priorities and understanding the fiscal constraints that we're up against, we have not sort of moved that project forward. So, they may come to us again, but we'll bring that, of course. So, they cleared the hurdle, though, of the property taxes and the liens and all that? That's what they've said, yes. Okay. Well, at least the property taxes. Okay. The iLife building? It was on the list previously, and I know that there was a snag, and I think it was the property taxes and liens, and I think they've cleared that. I've got a meeting with them lined up this week, perhaps today. I'll have to go look at that. But anyways, just wanted to ask if there was a project update on that. All right. I think we can go to the next. You have one more slide? Just one more. Okay. Just a preview, as we've been doing with the committee. So, this is going to tomorrow's… Sorry, Mr. Tarbott. Hold on one second. Did you want to ask questions on the updates? Can you get on the mic? Do you have questions regarding the projects or something else? Okay. Go ahead and hop on the mic. Yep. Go now. And then, do you have a question on these? No? Okay. I was not on cue, Mr. Chairman. Was I not on cue? Oh, okay. I was just curious. Okay. The public's gateway project, would you explain the incentive that the city needs to make this happen? The current… I know generally what it is, but I'd like to know exactly. So, the current incentive package that we've presented to… Excuse me, Mr. Tarbott. I want to wait until my colleagues are through getting straightened out there. Okay. Go ahead. So, the current incentives that were filed in the legislation is a 28.25 million dollar completion grant for the entire project. So, I know we sometimes refer to it as the public's project. It's really a large mixed-use project with, you know, the apartment's parking structure and the grocer. It's for the public's and the whole project. Yes. For the entire project, which I think is in excess of 140 million dollars, of which the public's is a piece of that, but obviously, the majority is really the apartments and the parking garage in terms of cost. So, that is the incentive package. There's also a rev, and I don't have the exact figures for the rev. We can certainly give you that. I just don't have it off the top of my head, but there's a rev on the project as well. Well, if I said 10 million, would that be close or…? I think it is closer to probably 20 million in terms of… Okay. I'll put an EST by that. …repayment. Yeah. I want to say the total incentive package is around 46 million if you include the rev. I know the cash completion grant piece of it is 28.25 million. Okay. And then there is a retail enhancement grant that is specific to the public's as well, which is smaller. When would the completion grant be due? The completion grant would be due. So, it's obviously due after substantial completion. The project is…they plan to break ground, at least do the demolition this year. So, I'd say it's probably an 18-month construction project for substantial completion. So, I'm doing the calendar in my head right now. So, if they completed it, it would probably be towards the end of calendar year 2027. So, it may go into calendar year 2028. Okay. I would say or into 28. That's just the way it always works. And the Culinary Institute vote, I know that there was some money earmarked for that. Do you think that they're having any concerns with the possible referendum? And is the referendum sitting down…is that projecting any concerns with the developments that are out there that we have in earmarked money for yet? The state referendum on property taxes? Yeah, that pesky state referendum that's coming up in November that's going to strip us of a lot of money. Yeah. If that unfortunately passes, then I think that that's probably a bigger issue for for the budget in terms of just essential services as well as development. I think from a DIA perspective, we have little control over what happens with that. So, we are moving forward full steam ahead on all the projects, but also thinking through strategies in case the fiscal situation is more challenging to figure out if and how we could get projects completed. We have such great momentum going right now. It would be a huge setback if we can't get a number of these catalytic projects completed. Well, my question is, do you feel any hesitation from the Culinary Institute at all on that? I'm not trying to pull the sheet off of them, but I just want to know, or any of the other development projects out there? Not at this time. I think everyone is moving forward very optimistically on getting all of these projects complete, knowing that there is this issue out there. But at this point, no one is sort of hesitating, if that's your question. Like the ox being led to the slaughter. Okay. We got to really educate our public on that issue. But that's all I have, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. All right. Thank you. You good? Continue. Okay. All right. Continue, Mr. Herbert. Sure. And then this is just a preview for what is tomorrow. Our DIA board meeting was postponed from last week, so we're a little off cycle just due to quorum. But this will be presented tomorrow. This is the ARTIA project, which I'm sure you're very familiar with on the South Bank, along broadcast place adjacent to the river's edge. So this is a fairly new apartment project. And the developer approached DIA in the city with a really kind of creative, creative program concept here. There's a currently there's a rev on the project. I believe it's about a 15 year rev. I think we're maybe one year into it. The total value of that rev is a not to exceed 6.3 million dollars. And as rents increase and as demand for more, if you look at what's being built on the South Bank, a lot of it is higher end residential luxury, which is great. At the same time, we do sort of forecast the need to continue to have workforce housing in that area. Baptist Health, there's a number of employers on the South Bank that have employees who can't afford the luxury product. And so this is an opportunity for us to preserve about 70 units in this building at 120 percent AMI or below, which is in the workforce category, workforce housing category, using essentially using the rev. So it's in some ways, if you're just doing the math, the city is not spending any money because we've already agreed to the rev. But this would be providing the rev grant value up front. So we would give them the developers $6.3 million today, of which we would have rebated back to them over the period of the rev grant. In exchange for that, we are going to get a 30 year land use restriction for those 70 units. DIA is participating. So 2 million of the 6.3 will come from DIA. And then the 4.3 will come from the city that will be paid essentially, let's say now. And then once the rev is removed, those taxes will come back to DIA in the city in the same amount of $6.3 million. So there's a bit of a time cost of up there, but in sense of, but it's basically the idea of exchanging the rev value for affordable units. So we see it as a win, win and an opportunity and probably, well, probably a very limited opportunity to do something like this creative to establish that workforce housing on the South Bank. Okay, cool. We'll pause right there before we, I think we're going to bring up Ms. Eschcombe next, but Council Member Salem, you're in the queue, so you're recognized. Thank you, Chair. Through the Chair, Mr. Talbert. It sounds like this is a way of getting around a completion grant in terms of giving all the money up front, but it's a rev grant, but we're paying it all up front. Am I missing something? You're not missing anything. I think there was not a completion grant on this project. It was just a rev grant. So we're converting the rev grant value to a payment today in exchange for additional benefits, which is the 70 units. But when the rev gets, when the rev is removed, they'll be paying full taxes on the property. So we're still going to receive the $6.3 million from the taxes, as opposed to if we had both a rev grant and a completion grant. How many years would the rev grant be paid out if it was a rev grant? You're saying- I think it was 15 years. So at the end of 15 years, they're going to pay 100% of the taxes they owe. Is that what I hear you saying? So once they receive the $6.3 million, the rev goes away and they're paying full taxes thereafter, forever. Okay, I'm sorry. I'll clear the deck on this. This is not a new project. This is existing today. It currently has a rev grant on it. They're eliminating the rev grant, and we're taking the value of the rev grant over those 15 years, and we're giving it to them in the form of a completion grant, is ultimately what it is, so that they can change some of these units. 71 units they're switching to workforce units. Thank you, Colleen. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm just concerned that is this a trend where we're going to call it a rev grant and it's actually a completion grant? I don't think so. I think we looked at that because DIA is also participating in about a third of the cost. I think this one is sort of unique in the fact that we have an opportunity. I was not aware of this, but it's very educational for me. Thank you, Chair. Yeah, and I'll make sure I know I've had conversations. This is a corner lot development project. I'll make sure that their person comes and speaks with you about more of the details. I did have a conversation with the administration, Mike Weinstein, about where that 4.3 million is coming from. And Mr. Weinstein in that meeting, and Mr. Peterson, you were in that meeting as well, because that was the big sticking point. And there was ultimately a large, I don't know, what was like 15 million or something of recapture dollars that were coming in to the city. And we were going to use that 4.3 out of those newly discovered recapture funds. Is that more or less it, Mr. Peterson, or am I missing it? To the Chair, you're correct. Well, the dollar amount is 8.3 million of recapture. Okay. However, you have a bill pending before you that the administration filed using that 8.3. So that throws a small wrinkle into that discussion. About a $4 million wrinkle. Yeah. Cool. Well, we need to figure out what's going on with that. There will be a discussion there. That's where the money's got to come from. Otherwise, this doesn't work. So, okay. Any other, there's no one else in the queue. So I think that is pretty much it. Thank you. All right. Ms. Edgecombe, come on down. Good morning. How are y'all? Let's see. All right. There we go. All right. Well, we're going to go ahead and transition over to actually looking at what this expanded special committee on the future of downtown was able to accomplish this year, this cycle session, as well as look at what the recommendations are as we go forward. This is meant to be a presentation, not a full report. We are looking for feedback from not only y'all, but as well as other council members, members of the mayor's office, whatnot, anything that you'd like to see identified in the final report. And then those of us that have been actively engaged in the work will work, um, just a bit longer and harder to finalize the report, um, and have it to you by the start of, uh, the next, hopefully the next expanded special committee on the future of downtown for 2627. Just to remind you all the charge, um, the charge, the charge itself looked at strengthening how, um, like the future of downtown and what we can do to strengthen, um, what Jacksonville's planning for, how it governs, how it invests in its urban core. Um, we really wanted to look at the systems that were in place, where were there opportunities, what was already working, what could we do to better, um, ensure that everything that we're doing today lasts for generations into the future. Um, we wanted to make sure that this momentum that we are experiencing right now is true renderings to reality, um, making sure that, um, we have everything in place that will, um, that's necessary in order to sustain that. So what we examined, we looked at, um, for focus area one, which was centered around public space stakeholders and agencies. We were looking at mapping alignment and recommendations for changes and improvements, um, to make those, that particular system better. Um, we centered on public space governance and management. We examined the ecosystem of the public agencies as well as the nonprofit organizations, the public private partnerships, and our civic stakeholders, um, involved in downtown's public realm in general. There are, as if you'll recall, a lot of individuals. Um, there are some key players that we're going to look at here in a framework in just a moment, but understanding that, um, it wasn't about any one particular agency or organization. It really, again, is looking at what they all do, figuring out there's overlap, looking at redundancies, looking at ways we can improve those systems to make sure that we are using dollars in a way that is best suited, um, for the overall experience for the, for the entire city, not just those who live, work, and play in downtown. So we looked at several core areas. As I mentioned, um, the roles and responsibilities, the operations, maintenance, and enhanced, uh, service deliveries, uh, programming, activation, event coordination. You heard over this last year skyrocketed numbers on the amount of visitors that we have. Um, the types of activations that we have are much more diverse. We have, um, people coming into our downtown, not only on the weekends now, but also in the evenings and during the day. At any given point, you can come into downtown and you can recognize that it's not just those who are in an office building. It is those who are wanting to use our public spaces. Um, and so we also identified, um, where the positioning was on marketing and communications, as well as kind of, you know, this age old question of what is Jacksonville's identity. We looked at metrics accountability and public reporting, um, as well as the opportunities for pilot projects, um, and, and near term, um, implications. I'm sorry, implementations. Our key findings was that downtown has many strong partners, but not a fully aligned system. As I mentioned, there's a lot of players who do a lot of work. Um, and that's not only on the private side, clearly that's on the public side as well. Um, and we've got to find a better system for alignment. Um, the roles and responsibilities need greater clarity. Again, um, while everyone has a fairly strong idea of what they shouldn't be doing, not everyone's always aware of what they should be doing. And so we do need, um, to look at, um, and finalizing kind of putting some buckets, uh, together on what, um, what not only is based off of what everyone wants to do, but also what's really needed and who can do it best. Um, we know that downtown requires sustainable funding and capacity. Again, that's from the public side and the private side. Um, we need more consistent activation and event density. As I mentioned, we are light years ahead of where we were five years ago, but there's still more to come and there's still a greater need. Um, we do need a unified marketing and positioning strategy as, um, Mr. Tarbert had just mentioned. There are, um, and you'll see it on a slide here shortly. There, um, we will be over the next year, um, moving forward in that exercise, uh, looking forward from the DVI lens to be partnering with DIA on that. Um, and then, um, probably the biggest tech takeaway, um, that it's not that it wasn't known, but I think we now need to be better about actually saying it. And that's a public space should be treated as an economic development, the economic opportunities around public space and what that can do not only from the quality, critical quality of life side, which we know is very, very important, but also looking at it from a business standpoint, our public space can and should be used as an economic development tool. So our work completed to date, um, the ecosystem review, as mentioned, um, part of the work, um, was to send out a questionnaire and to a ton of critical stakeholders within the downtown realm to get a better idea of what they do, how they're governed, um, what hurdles they have, where they need to find, um, like what opportunities they have found, partnerships that they need. Again, we spent a lot of time really having some serious conversations with the different players in downtown. Um, that's everyone from, as I, you're going to see the five critical to those, um, like the cultural council, right? Like they are a key player in this system. So we, we spoke with everyone, got a really good handle on what they were doing as well as what they would like to be doing in the future. So we can figure out how to work better together. Um, stakeholder outreach, there are amazing, um, advocacy organizations in our city, specifically around downtown in our river, um, and making sure that they have been part of conversations. The next phase will really include them more than we did during this particular phase, mainly because we were trying to look at the private, the public entities and departments within the city, as well as, um, the critical, um, uh, P threes that are working within the downtown area. Um, but as we move forward, those stakeholders aren't only the advocacy groups, but they're also, as we're looking at, at the work that's being done by the DIA and within the CRA, we have a lot of private developers, a lot of private institutions, and a lot of private dollars that it matters what those stakeholders, um, um, are thinking and wanting as well. So we will continue, uh, that we, we've done some of that. It will be continuing again. Um, identification of key gaps, which I just mentioned, the downtown collaboration framework, which you're going to see here in a moment, and then key legislation will be introduced. Um, I will talk about the legislation here shortly, um, as we get closer to the end. Okay. The downtown collaboration framework, this baby is, there's a lot of people who put a lot of work into this. And so I just want to publicly thank them for the work that they did to, to be able to come to basically what's a one cheater. Yes, there's a lot of, of copy on there, but you have to understand that is a lot less than what we started with. Um, but this looks at shared governance. Um, it also looks at, uh, clear roles, opportunities that we can, um, work together. You'll see across the top, it is, um, parks who we like to call where parks become places. That's their fun little tagline public works there to get it built crew because they build everything for us, uh, downtown vision. We are downtown's heartbeat. Uh, the Jacksonville riverfront Alliance. So excited to finally be able to have them on the slide with us. Um, their tagline is create a better sense of place along the downtown riverfront. And then of course, the downtown investment authority, they are the vision and investment engine. Um, when you look on this particular one cheater, you're also going to see to the right, the additional partners. I mentioned there's a lot of people who do a lot of work. Um, and so we identified those that receive city dollars, um, only on this slide, because this is again meant to be, um, looked at through the lens of, of those that are, they're stewarding public dollars. Um, along the bottom, you'll see framework opportunities. So we know that these agencies and organizations can work together around programming and experience around marketing and communications around fundraising and sponsorships around governance strategy and public support much of what we're doing today. Um, as well as the data research and reporting. Um, those are opportunities where we all have a place within them and we will be working over the next year to really finalize and figure out, um, how to do that better. Um, as well as, um, making sure that we're doing it not only better, but to the betterment and the, and to the benefit of our downtown public spaces ongoing initiatives. This, I think is also really critical that we talk about, um, mainly because there's been a lot of work going on. And I think that at the end of the day, um, um, I would be remiss if I didn't speak to these. So things that, you know, ongoing initiatives, these were happening prior to this particular convening of this special committee. Um, and they are, will be continuing long into the future. Um, clearly our public space investments, um, we, over the last, um, prior administrations, um, there's been a lot that has come forward, um, in advancing our responsibility for parks and riverfront spaces and our streetscapes and our trails and our civic spaces. Um, there's dollars that are being put into, um, infrastructure as well as really not only investing dollar wise, but also investing time. Um, there's a, for, for individuals who are making sound decisions such as your, yourself, as well as those in the public understanding what the investments are going towards, why they're critical, why they're important. It's a learning lesson, right? There's a lot of education that's had to happen. Um, and so the investment of your time as well, um, as your ear to listen, um, in addition to the dollars, uh, economic development, redevelopment, Colin or Mr. Tarbert, you know, has just gone through a lot of what has happened in just this year. And he'll talk a little bit more, um, in his part of the presentation, but it's important that we recognize that, that this particular committee has been supporting policies, um, and policy recommendations in order to encourage redevelopment and adaptive reuse, as well as, um, putting dollars towards the public realm, um, from the identity and place management, um, DVI, um, within our agreement with the city is responsible for, uh, marketing and communications for downtown. Um, that is something that DVI is, um, uh, is very much looking forward to advancing in the future. Um, understanding now that as downtown has changed, so does the narrative around downtown. You're going to see this beautiful, like the beautiful downtown Jacksonville logo that's on the bottom of the page. That logo is not DVI's logo. That logo is for downtown Jacksonville. It was birthed out of DVI, um, many years ago, but it is downtown's logo, right? And so it's one of those things where we want to make sure that that's being seen everywhere. And when someone sees that logo, they know that it represents downtown Jacksonville. So looking at how we move forward in that, um, really the biggest and most critical part from the, I would say for DVI and the JRA, both is creating a stronger sense of place and community pride. It's something that foundationally we both stand on very hard. And so we are looking forward to not only doing like continuing the work that we've been doing, but really working more collaboratively, collaboratively moving forward to make that even stronger. That goes along with the vibrancy and experience as well. Well, legislative and administrative pathways. Um, I am really excited and this is a big win for the city council as well as the mayor's office. Um, the, one of the things that we had recommended a few meetings ago was for a downtown public space project manager, someone that could essentially be able to herd the cats of those organizations that are on that framework slide, have a really strong look and focus on downtown, um, the public spaces in general, what those look like, everything from right-of-ways to parks. Um, and the mayor's office approved for that full-time position to be within the parks department. So kudos to the mayor's office for that. And then, um, you'll hear here in a little bit when we talk about appropriations of some dollars, uh, the dollars, um, from, from this special committee, um, the dollars to pay for that, uh, particular position will be appropriated this after later today. So excited. That's a huge win. Probably I would argue the biggest win, um, right now that we are going to have a full-time position that actually gets to help us administer all and implement all the work that we have been, that we have been doing collectively. Interagency working sessions already, um, the DIA public works and parks, as well as DVI meet regularly. Um, what that looks like moving forward will be shifting, um, based on not only does project updates, but then again, the needs of this project is a downtown public space project manager, as well as, um, some of the other P threes that were mentioned, um, really finding more ways. So interagency within the city, but then also having, um, meetings that are, um, including stakeholders who are including those who activate placemaking jacks through DVI has a whole slew of people that would be really, um, important to be in those meetings as well. So help, you know, not only continuing the work, but, um, we already have plans for how to make that move forward. Data research and performance. Again, uh, downtown vision is, um, as one of our responsibilities to the city is to, um, track is to, is to house the research for downtown and to track the data. We already have, um, dashboards on our system now that look at the data points that we currently have felt have been critical. What we've learned over this last year though, is the data that people are asking for and the data that people need. And I, when I say people, I mean, whether it's a city agency or it's someone who is, uh, bragging, you know, colliers when they're bragging on all the, all the wins in downtown Jacksonville, when they're attacking, um, attracting retail or a fortune 500 company who wants to attract talent, they look to those data points and they're asking us for more. And so part of the work, um, our director of research is actively working now on updating those dashboards, as well as looking at, um, other cities and what they have done, um, successfully to be able to be getting as much information out as possible. So that we're all speaking from, from the same lens and from the same, um, the same data points, because you can't argue with data, right? So, um, and I won't lie, um, as, as I had said in the last meeting, I'm very proud of our state of downtown this year. Um, it is, it's a testament to the work and the commitment and the momentum that's actually going on marketing and communications. I already briefly touched on that. Um, again, uh, DVI is, is, um, in our, um, in our requirements of the city is to, um, market and communicate what downtown has and all that it has to offer. Um, we are going to be strengthening the storytelling, as I mentioned with DIA. Um, and then also the community engagement part, I already talked on that. The one that I want to add just real quickly is this cost analysis, a cost analysis and financial budgeting over the next year. So throughout these exercises, what we've noticed is that we, you know, we know that we need the public investment, right? We need dollars. We need private dollars. Well, what exactly do we need those for? How much do things really cost? Um, so part of the plan over the next year is to hone in on what all of these, um, whether it's maintenance, whether it's operations, whether it is, um, the storytelling piece, what, what does everything really cost that will help us budget better in the future. It helps us when we come to city council and to the mayor's office looking, um, for the city contribution side of that and responsibility in that. And, and what we really want to focus on over this next year is being much more fiscally responsible when it comes to knowing where the dollars came from, knowing where they're going. It'll help us as we are outlining and finalizing the framework. Okay. Ms. Etchcombe, we have a question right here for Council Member Salem. Thank you, Chair. Through the chair to Ms. Etchcombe, I lost you for a second. Going back to the position you were talking about to, I think, manage a project manager, I think you said it was kind of fast. So, but you said it was being approved today, tomorrow. Can you elaborate there? Is that going to be included in next year's budget or, or just if you could just enlighten me a little bit? Of course, uh, through the chair to Councilman Salem. Yes. So, um, the downtown public space project manager is a position that, um, will live in the parks department, mayor's office approved. Um, and then there will be the dollars appropriated to pay for that position will be there's legislation that we will talk about here and just a little bit where the, the, the dollars are appropriated out of the 2.6 million, um, that city council put below the line at the beginning of the budget or the beginning of this fiscal year. Uh, those dollars, $130,000 out of that will come from this committee appropriated to pay for that position as it was a recommendation from this committee. Through the chair to Mr. Peterson, can you elaborate on this $2.6 million that's below the line? Through the chair to Councilman Salem. Uh, you may recall in a part of finance budget hearings last year, there was talks of entering into a contract with the Jacksonville River Alliance for operation of the downtown parks, uh, because the details hadn't been worked out. 2.6 million was put below the line. It's still sitting there below the line. And so I believe what Mitch, Ms. Edgecombe is referring to is bringing those dollars above the line and using a portion of them for this position. So that position through the chair could be, could be brought on immediately. It's not waiting for next year's budget. Through the chair. That's correct. We'll have to do an analysis to make sure that there's enough funding in this, the dollars that are brought above the line or otherwise we'll have to supplant it with dollars in next year's budget. So there'll have to be dollars in the parks department to cover this position long-term in the, in the 26, 27 budget. Through the chair to Councilman Salem. That's correct. If there's not enough in out of the 2.6 to fund it for the remainder of this year and next year, but going forward, it would be a position in the parks department. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Joseph is here if, yeah, if he wants to chime in on that later or at any point. Um, yeah. Okay. Go ahead. Ms. Edgecombe. Okay. So the projects to performance approach, when we talk about recommendations, um, for the future, are though it's easier than, and we're going to list some like specifics, but I just high level wanted to help to better communicate that what we're looking for now is projects, right? Like projects create assets and systems determine outcomes. Projects are important and they are critical, but when we do them together and when we move out of this project by project by project space, which we have done successfully, you know, started that, that journey, we move to a place where we now need to make sure that we are taking into account that there's things that happen after a project is completed, whatever that project is. I don't mean just like a building, right? Um, and so this projects to performance approach, it is, we want to continue the work that we're doing. We want to continue the special committee. We'd like for the special committee to go into 26, 27. We want to continue, um, honing in on what is necessary in order to make sure that our downtown public spaces are aligned and that they are able to be sustained. Um, so continuing implementing, implementation is critical. It's great that we do a bunch of work or if we write a bunch of reports, but if we're not actually putting into practice what we are up here talking about, then, um, then what's the point basically strengthening. So we want to strengthen what we're all, what we already know to be successful. We want to strengthen that, um, collaboratively. We want to strengthen that in our own individual, um, organizations, um, going really granular, but also again, strengthening and then strengthening for the general public, the understanding and importance of, uh, public spaces, prioritizing public space has to be a priority bottom line. It is just that simple. We have to prioritize public spaces, um, expanding them. We, uh, again, that economic investment into the riverfront, making sure that those parks, we keep those dollars in the CIP, the same for James Weldon Johnson park. You know, we do have plans already in place to be able to really expand and grow. And we need to make sure that those plans stay investing. That's the piece that's again, the time, as well as the dollars advancing. So advancing, meaning remembering that what we talk about today will be different tomorrow and different the next day. And so we cannot only sit in one space and only be working off of, uh, uh, uh, of, uh, of a conversation that we had, right? Like advancing, making sure that we are always staying at the forefront of, of research, of understanding better what people need and want, not what we think they need and want, but what they're actually telling us they need and want, um, really making sure that we are doing our jobs to better help make sure that y'all as counsel, as well as the mayor's office, understand what's going on in the public realm. Um, and then really advancing in our knowledge to make sure that we can help y'all do the same support. Um, Um, let's just, let's just go past it. We don't need. Okay. Perfect. I appreciate that. Thank you. Okay. Um, clearly risks of inaction. You guys know this, I don't have to necessarily say it. Um, but the biggest concern is that if we don't, if we, if, if, if this just kind of ends and we're all left to be, um, we fear that, um, all the dollars and all the time that it's already been invested, um, will come to not, or to downtown Armageddon as AI helped us put together. We had to have some fun, you guys, if you only knew how much work we put into this. Um, but yes, like this in our mind is like what will happen if we don't do anything. Downtown Jacksonville success is determined by coordinated urban systems. And part of those urban systems include, this is Laura Street, which in 2015 was named the most walkable, was named one of the most walkable streets in America. And right now we have a lot of private and public dollars going into this particular corridor. Um, and this particular corridor is going to show how coordinated urban systems work and work well. Um, you have public parks, this that ends into the river. So then that incorporates the river as well. This over the next year, I'm, and then we have our private developers who are very, very, very tied into understanding, um, urban, like urban planning in general, but how it really, how we can make this corridor, uh, the most walkable again. So this is, this is, this is the, this is kind of in my mind, the baseline of what we'll be looking at as we go into this next year. And with that, I'm going to turn it over to Colin and we'll see if any other questions. I don't have anyone in the queue. So Mr. Tarbert, come on down. Great. So I'm going to go ahead and, uh, go through focus areas two and three of the special committee charge. Um, so focus area two was CRA development strategy and process review and recommendations for changes and or improvements. Um, and so I just want to highlight a number of the themes and major accomplishments that I feel like we've made since, uh, this committee, uh, regroups, which was in October of last year. Um, so first I think was the improved alignment and coordination. Um, and this was something that the chair requested. Um, it was reviewing as we just did today, um, the major projects and policy issues before, um, kind of the DIA board, uh, took, took any actions on those that we could get your feedback and input, um, accordingly. We've also kind of tweaked some of our resolution language, um, around what the DIA board is recommending versus approving versus what the city council is actually approving and funding. Um, so within the DIA, we have the ability to approve revs, um, but we do not have the ability to, uh, approve completion grants and fund those. That's all within the authority of the council. And so we want to make that distinction clear, which we've done. Um, the second one, I know this is something that the chair, um, definitely asked for at the beginning of this process, which was kind of the strategic project review. Um, and so that was, that was the list. I think, uh, the chair described it kind of as this conveyor belt and projects have coming to you, um, as, as, as the council without kind of having the full picture of what is in the pipeline. And so we spent a lot of time going through and vetting projects and presenting that to you all so that you have a better sense of what, um, what the comprehensive, uh, picture is, uh, which I think has been helpful to all of us. Um, in terms of more disciplined resource allocation, this is really kind of the discussion of what the CRA can fund versus what, uh, we need the city council and the city's support on, um, some of the smaller projects DIA has been, uh, budgeting for. Um, so the mags cafe and Monroe street project, um, DIA is funding that we did not ask for general funds for that as we move forward with, uh, Snyder Memorial, uh, DIA has, um, put forth about $4.5 million for that project. So we don't anticipate any general fund ask for, for, for that project. And then as we move to, um, riverfront plaza, um, development with gateway, um, you know, those, those funds, um, are going to come from, from DIA. We do still have a number of requests as you're all, uh, very familiar with for completion grants from the general fund. But again, we're trying to be, um, as disciplined as we can to not rely on the general fund, uh, for that. And then, um, last but not least, the stronger accountability and results. Um, we'll talk a little bit about this, I think, in the next focus area. Um, but just the way that we're doing our underwriting and incentive review, um, we want to do that in a, in a very transparent and, uh, objective way as much as possible. So. And before, yeah, you can go to the next slide. I got one person in the queue and then I just want to make a comment on the, um, kind of a list of all the projects that, um, I guess are still in the pipeline, but I know this committee and the full council has, um, put money towards a lot of those completion grants or whatever. So who's housing the, the list, so to speak. DIA has the, the tracking list as we call it. And we work with Mr. Peterson to, uh, update that regularly. So we both have the same information at the same time. Okay. Okay. Is that something that I can be sent out soon? Just like an updated one. Okay, cool. The Salem chart is my colleague right here has said. Um, yeah, just whenever, like maybe later today or tomorrow, if it's that easy. Um, okay. Council member Salem, go ahead. Is your question on these? Okay, go ahead. Through the chair, Mr. Talbert, how much money does your CRA generate on a yearly basis? Uh, when I say, um, your budget that dollars that you get through the tax increment? Uh, through the chair, and I know Mr. Pearl is behind me. So if he wants to, uh, come up and make sure I get this accurate, because it's, he has it in his head. Um, there's, there's obviously two TIF boundaries, South Bank, technically there's three, but South Bank and North Bank. Um, I'm going to ask Guy to come up because I do not want to give the wrong answer. If he can separate them, that would be helpful. Or if he just knows the total, I'm just curious. Thank you. Thank you. Through the, through the chair. Um, if we look at FY27 and the one that's coming up, we're going to get about 18 million in the combined North Bank and seven and a half million in round numbers to the South Bank. Uh, a lot, this, this current fiscal year was an anomaly in the North Bank because we're expecting a big loan payout by the score. And so this year's budget was 40. This upcoming year is 18 for the North Bank and again, seven, seven and a half for the South Bank. But before you have the payouts, what's the total? What's the big number before you pay things out? 18 million North Bank round, seven and a half million South Bank round. Okay. Thank you. I know he'd do a better job than I would. Oh yeah. All right. Next slide, I guess. Sure. And I think we, we, we touched on some of these, but these are just some of the examples, um, of, of projects that, um, I just mentioned in terms of prioritizing CRA funding for. Um, so you see the three examples there that I've made, um, in terms of projects review, just to kind of remind this committee, uh, of the work that we've done, we've taken three of the projects. Um, although if you guys, you can count our Tia, uh, if we just did, but, uh, we took the N seven project to you all prior to board approval, the Baptist health, um, hotel project, and then, um, more recently the hotel Marydell project, um, before this committee is again, to get, get input prior to, uh, DIA action. And then in terms of some of the strategic dispositions that we've done with this committee as well, um, three 30 East Bay street, you'll remember we presented the massing study as well as the, um, the disposition, um, to you all to, and then brought it to DIA. We also talked about the riverfront plaza restaurant site, um, here at this committee. And then, um, we also discussed the demolition, which is occurring now of the mosh site, uh, with this committee. So to get your input as, as we've moved forward with, uh, these strategic dispositions and, um, projects. And then, um, I want to, I want to thank, you know, for putting these slides together, um, just to kind of remind like everyone of what's been happening in downtown. Um, and obviously this has been years in the making, um, and I want to show these because for me coming into this position, um, the strategy that has been set forth, you know, prior to my arrival, um, is absolutely working. Um, and so my charge coming in was to continue that momentum, uh, to make sure, frankly, I didn't drop the ball. And, uh, as you'll see, I think, you know, over the last, um, 10 months or so, uh, we, we've kept it going, uh, with a lot of, uh, partnership and hard work, but in terms of some of the major milestones, uh, now named the Vanderville, a Vanderveer, uh, which was N11, um, that's topped out and that'll open, uh, later this, this year. And for additional, um, apartment project that is topped out open next year, the four seasons, um, it's really happening. Um, it, that is also topped out and will open next summer. And then, um, I know the number of you were at the, uh, related groups, uh, groundbreaking, which is now underway as well, which I think, um, was a question, is it really happening? And it's absolutely happening. And then this slide, again, this is kind of kudos to, to, to everyone who was part of these projects. Uh, there are many people, but this is just a list of all the things that have been completed, um, since this special committee, um, reconvened. So I won't go through all of them there, but you see lots of ribbons. Um, and I know many of you have participated in these, these project openings. Um, but these are projects that have been completed, um, again, in the last 10 months or so. Um, and it's a range of projects, um, from large scale, um, office buildings, and apartment buildings, to small businesses opening, to historic renovations, to new constructions, to grocery stores. Um, if anyone doubts what's happening in downtown Jacksonville, you can just look at this, this slide right here and be pretty impressed. All right. Yep. Uh, and we have Councilmember Matt Carlucci on the queue. Go ahead. Uh, thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, I, I just want to make a comment here and that is how much I appreciate the DIA. Um, look, these projects are because of the hard work of the DIA. Uh, we sit up here as a committee, um, a special committee on the future of downtown, but DIA is who makes it happen. And we're good partners and the mayor's good partners, no doubt. But this is a testament to the downtown investment authority, why it was put together, and the work that you and others before you have done. And, um, and it's just all kind of come together and we've got this great momentum going. And sometimes we fuss about incentives and this and that and the other, but we, we just about all up here voted for them. And I just think it's amazing what's happening downtown and how many mayors before this one have, uh, would give their right arm to see all this going on, you know, at one time. This is an exciting time to be, um, on the DIA board, uh, to be a citizen in Jacksonville, uh, to be a council member, to be a mayor, um, to just be a community, um, member, uh, and, and, and, and all those ribbon cuttings. Sometimes we wouldn't have more than one of those a year in the past. And, um, and when I look at that, I just think, wow, that's when I talk, when I talk about to my constituents, the momentum that we have in Jacksonville, that's, that's what I'm talking about. And, and when they talk to me about how excited they are about Jacksonville's progress and momentum, that's what they're talking about. And, um, so I just want to place the compliment where it belongs. And that's on the downtown investment authority, you, your board, your staff, and all of those who support you, the DIV, Ms. Edgecombe, and just so many others. Um, and so I, I just had to take a moment to congratulate you and all that have helped put this together, uh, with, with the help of the mayor's administration and the council linking arms. And, uh, boy, we made some progress and we got so much more coming our way. Um, so thank you very much. We appreciate it. On behalf of the team sitting behind me, who've done much of the heavy lifting on this. And as you mentioned, folks that came before, um, thank you very, very appreciate it because years of hard work going to, to getting to that ribbon cutting. So. Wow. That was a perfect segue into your recommendations for moving forward. Sure. So, uh, in, in area two, um, you know, there's, there's a lot here, so I won't, I won't cover all of it, but, um, one, I, you know, I think that this committee in this format has been very helpful, um, in getting us aligned and making sure that we all stay on the same page. Um, so continuing this, I think would be a benefit to all of us, um, continuing to present the projects, uh, maintaining the alignment, um, which I think is critical, um, not just between the special committee and DIA, but also with the administration and the mayor, I meet regularly with, with the mayor and her team, as well as our stakeholders, um, who, who are involved in this, making sure that we're all moving forward together is absolutely critical. Um, continue doing involving, uh, or continue to evaluating, um, the project, um, and looking at these hard from a feasibility standpoint, as well as a public benefit, um, as, as we've gotten, as we're getting more and more success, um, I think that's giving DIA the ability to be a little bit more, uh, discerning over the projects that we recommend and fund, um, which is a good place to be. Um, we've heard you loud and clear. We're going to prioritize CRA funding to do as much as possible. Um, and then, um, as well as, uh, continuing to kind of be very clear in our distinction about what DIA is role is versus what the city council role is. Uh, and then we, I'll talk about this in the next, um, segment as well. Um, but continuing the third party fiscal analysis, I think we've done one project that way, and we've got a number of projects that are coming. Um, I think that's, that's been helpful, um, for a number of reasons. Uh, and then lastly, kind of again, looking at the redevelopment strategy, we're, and I'll talk about this also in slide or in the charge three, uh, but just looking at sort of different ways to fund projects. I mean, this is a conversation that, uh, we've been having with, with councilman Salem about, you know, completion grants isn't the only answer to every, um, project. Um, and so just trying to see what other tools exist that might be applicable here. Um, we'll be work. We're working on that now, and hopefully by the end of this year, we'll have some results, uh, again, from a, from a third party, just to give us some ideas and options. Um, I'll continue to focus area three, so that again, oh, sorry, hold on one second. We have a council member Salem in the queue. Go ahead. Thank you, chair to, to Colin. I appreciate your comments, but appreciate your flexibility and looking at alternatives. And I've been very much encouraged by the development community. Um, they have not thrown me in the river yet. Um, and I think they understand the position we're in, particularly as we look towards November and what could happen in November and they understand it. And I think they're looking at alternatives as well. So I think it's a, the whole process I think has been very positive. Thank you. Go ahead. So in terms of focus area three, this was incentive program impact policy review and recommendations for changes or improvement. Um, so we are, we are actively working on this. We have initiated a third party financial review of all of our incentives. Um, so we actually have a call later this afternoon to kick that off. Um, that their team will be here, um, next month to kind of start that process. And they, the goal will be to try to finalize their analysis and recommendations by the end of the year. Um, that that's a joint team of BJH advisors and coincidentally Foresight Street advisors. Uh, they're both New York firms, uh, and that was done through a competitive RFP process. Um, I think in terms of the financial reviews that we've been doing again, third party, that's added a bit more objectivity, um, and also kind of a broader market perspective. Um, the first project that we did was hotel Mary Dell with CHN Wernick, who has extensive hotel experience across the country. And so they were able to really kind of, um, compare Jacksonville's market with a larger, um, a larger context that frankly, we just don't have in house. Um, we're also working through the, uh, the council has, I believe approved, uh, some of the fees for this so that it's not just born on the public, but as developers are coming in, uh, there's a cost sharing for those third party costs, um, to make sure that they have, they being the development community has some skin in the game as well. Uh, as you'll see in the end seven legislation, we've added a public benefit, um, aspect to the agreements, um, which provides upside participation for the city. If the developer exceeds a certain, um, uh, return, uh, which is, which is new, um, we hadn't done that necessarily in the past on, on, on, on these completion grant projects. Um, and then, uh, last I already talked about the, um, comprehensive review. And so this is just kind of a little bit more detail in terms of what I just spoke to. So I don't think I need to, to, to update that. I will say that the incentive, um, study that we're doing, along with the design guidelines that I mentioned earlier, uh, and the digital twin, all of those are leading towards an update to the overall CRA plan, uh, which we hope to kick off next year. We're kind of, we're coming at the end of our five-year period and CRA plans are, um, expected to be updated every five years. Um, Colin, real quick on number four, the new, like the, the look back and the upside participation, which projects was, was that done with, or was it more of a, yeah. And seven will be the first project where we've included that language. Okay. You'll see that as an exhibit to, um, to the RDA. And what that allows for is, um, if the developer exceeds a certain threshold, there's a cost, or, I mean, there's a, a revenue share, and then there's also, um, the ability for, uh, reviewing the project, um, post-construction, which we typically haven't done in terms of how the project's doing, um, from an investment standpoint. Okay, cool. No, I just want to make sure. I thought it was more than, than one, but it's just in seven so far. So far, but we, we, we expect that to be a template that we use, um, for, for every RDA moving forward. Okay, cool. Good to know. All right. Let's, uh, go to the next item. I think I covered that. Um, so again, in terms of just recommendations for moving forward, um, I'd like to hopefully streamline the incentive, um, process and programs that we have. Again, we'll kind of defer to the third party experts on, on what that looks like. Um, and I think, I think I've covered most of these already, um, explore tax increment as a financing tool. Um, we've typically have not used, used that. It's at least I haven't seen that here in Jacksonville. Um, that was very standard in Baltimore, um, as opposed to paying what we would refer to as pay go. Um, we were actually able to bond, um, tax increment and use that as a financing tool. Again, whether that's appropriate or not for Jacksonville, um, I think is to be determined, but it's certainly a conversation that we could have. Um, and I think I kind of covered these in terms of the public benefit, continuing that process and then strengthening, um, the reporting and compliance post-completion. And what was the recommendation for removing, like, some of the committee members and replacing them with other people? I'm just kidding. Go ahead. Are you feeling lonely up there? Very lonely. No, we're good. I got my, I got my staff here. Oh, there he is. Okay. Good. Keep going. What slide are we on? Uh, this is, I believe the last slide that I have, which is really just the recommendations for focus area three, which is just continuing, I think what we've been doing. And then again, when we have our, um, incentive review, we'll, we'll present that. And then I think that will have more specific recommendations. Okay. So I believe I'm going to turn it over to Ms. Edgecombe to bring it in for a landing. Get this knocked out. Okay. Um, clearly all of that to say that downtown success will depend on us continuing doing what we've been doing, right? Clear policy, predictable investment tools, well-managed public realm, um, strong ops operations and stewardship, continued alignment with administration city council, DIA and downtown. I've been in the downtown space for close to 14, almost 15 years and have had the pleasure of working with prior administrations and prior, um, city councils. And I do have to just give a lot of kind of, um, like council member, Matt Carlucci. It's it, this is a different time and it's really wonderful to be a part of it. So I do want to thank everyone for their, um, their willingness to, to work together, um, sustainable funding for opt operations, maintenance and activation. And then of course a shared commitment, which I think we all definitely have. Um, these are the questions that we, um, ask ourselves whenever we were looking at what the recommendations for next year would look like, um, are the policy structures and funding tools, right? Are projects priorities and recommendations actually being implemented? This goes back to the, what we have to do to move forward. Um, does downtown function and feel the way it should is, is, is the experience when others come in, what we are hoping and wanting it to be? Um, are the public investments generating the desired outcomes? Um, are our organizations aligned and accountable for the public dollars that they're spending and stewarding? Um, and then what opportunities and barriers will define our next decade? We're not, again, just looking at today. We are looking at what will be happening in the future. And so our recommendations for potential focus areas, um, um, if this committee is expanded again in 26, 27, um, is to look at from the strategic policy and investment framework side, um, the strong, a strong CRA strategy, a unified downtown narrative, clearly incentives as Mr. Tarbert had just talked about, uh, the tax increment financing, public investment criteria, and strategic dispositions. Um, the, from the implementation delivery and accountability side, a sense of urgency. We do know and we hear a lot of times that, um, you know, well, when it comes or when everyone's here and it's like, folks, we're already here. So we need a sense of urgency, um, uh, capital project delivery, private development tracking. Um, that is something that we are asked a lot about, um, how we're tracking that and how, um, how easily we can pull up data on what's going on within the private development world, timelines and milestones, really laying out, um, uh, almost like KPIs for ourselves on what we want to make sure that we're accomplishing and in what, in what time, um, we want to actually meet those milestones along the way. And then if a milestone gets bumped, what do we do? We need to have some plans for those things as well as looking at, um, very holistically, the public benefit and then risk management and extra actions. And then last but certainly not least, the downtown experience and urban systems, clearly my baby, um, looking at parks, river walk, and public spaces, our clean and safe services, our maintenance and activation, the lighting, the parking, the mobility, and the right-of-way management. We didn't even touch that today, um, or this year because it's a whole committee on its own, but it is something that we do think that we, um, really need to be focusing on for this next year. And of course, incorporating the community partners, um, important supporting roles in downtown's operations, public realm management, mobility, safety, infrastructure, tourism, and cultural activation. All of those are really important. Those are all those partners that we had listed on the right side of the framework. We've over this next year, um, regardless of the special committee, um, is expanded again, no matter what, that one's going to, um, definitely be, um, a priority for everyone, um, in this room. And that is it from our, uh, potential focus areas and what we'd like to look at for next year. I do know, um, uh, that we do, uh, I'm, I'm asking the question, um, chair legislation, would you like for Ms. Shell to approach those or would you like for you to do it or would you like for me to do it? Perfect. Cool. All right. And just in case you're never back up at the podium, uh, for the rest of this meeting, Ms. Edgecombe, thank you so much for all the work that you've done. You've been kind of the workhorse, uh, behind the scenes, making all these meetings happen and making us, you know, think outside the box of how we can make downtown, uh, better and not just keep doing what we've been doing. So I really, truly appreciate your help. So thank you. You too, Colin. You did a good job. All right. Michelle, tell us what is outstanding for us on the legislative side. Um, I don't have anything in front of me. Do you have some, okay, go ahead. Yeah. So through the chair to the committee, there are four items, um, of potential legislation that could come out of the special committee. And I'd like to go over each of those with you now and kind of tell you where they're at. The first one is the James Weldon Johnson park, the operations and management of that park is currently by, um, a company called I three doing business as friends of Hemming park. That contract is on its final extension, which will be done September 30th. So something needed to be done either way. Um, you had asked that we transfer operations and management to DVI. So legislation is being drafted to do that. Um, currently outstanding is a contract. The administration needs to negotiate those terms with DVI. And as soon as they have that contract done, can bring that before you all, and you can, um, approve the filing of that legislation. So for that, you, I'm sorry, say that last part again, who needs to do what? A contract needs to be negotiated between. It's my understanding. Um, there was some discussion on who was going to oversee that contract. My understanding now is it's going to be the parks department, but they are working out the terms of that with DVI. Okay. Daryl, Mr. Joseph, how long do you think that'll take? Uh, good morning. Daryl Joseph, parks department, uh, through the chairs. So as relates to negotiating the agreement and by the time, uh, that agreement goes through city council, I would think a six month window would be sufficient in order to do that. So no, what Michelle, can you explain what we're talking about? So through the chair, I would file the legislation, um, to authorize the mayor and the corporation secretary to, um, contract with, with DVI, the city to, to contract with them for the operations and management. So I just need a copy of that contract as an exhibit and that legislation could be filed by this committee. Okay. So a copy of the existing contract? No, the contract that you want to enter into a DVI to take over the operations and management of the park. Okay. So Mr. Joseph, how long will that take? Cause there's an existing contract right now of what friends of Jones Walden Johnson park is doing on their own. So I'm assuming nothing's really going to change except where it's housed. Through the chair. So as relates to conversations that have been held, there are things that DVI do want to change. So it wouldn't be the exact same contract. Um, the agreement currently expires September 30th. Um, we'll work directly with DVI to, to do that as efficient and effectively as possible. Um, but from a, from a terming term standpoint, that agreement expires September 30th. Uh, so we'll bring something back to city council as quickly as possible. Um, but if we wanted to transfer that agreement to DVI, that's a short term thing that you could do while we negotiate a longer term agreement with DVI. Okay. We'll go to the next one. Thank you. The second piece of legislation is, um, you had asked to expand the bid boundary to match the CRA boundary, which will bring in a few more parcels into the bid. That, um, special assessment legislation, um, is currently under works. The outstanding item is I need either an enhanced, a new enhanced municipal services agreement or an amendment to the current one. Um, and the OJC attorney, Rebecca Levy, who's housed in DIA is working on that with DVI, the terms of that. Um, once I have that, we can attach it. We have a longer runway on that because that does not need to be approved until January one. So we've mapped out, um, a conservative timeline for that and have asked DVI to get everything, um, that they need to, to us by the end of July. Okay. Uh, council member Salem. Yeah. You're recognized through the chair. I'm sorry. I lost you there. This was to expand the DIA boundary. Is that what I've heard you to say? It's the bid boundary. Um, the parcels that are subject to the special assessment, it will now encompass, it'll match the CRA boundary, which is slightly larger than the current bid boundary. So as such, we need to declare our intent to, um, enact a special assessment because there will be new parcels pulled in. Thank you. Got it. Oh, okay. I understand. Okay. Got it. Uh, next. The third item is, um, the appropriation legislation that Ms. Edgecombe touched on earlier, um, in talking about that new position with the parks department, um, to appropriate some of, or I think just some of that 2.6 million. Um, and the outstanding item I need from them is the, uh, either a term sheet or a contract between DVI and the parks department. And once we have that, we can bring that to you all. It's a little bit different, you know, when the special committee is introducing these things, you all need to see the term sheet before, um, I can file that on your behalf. Okay. So are y'all, so that needs to be between parks and DVI? Is that what you're saying? That's correct. Okay. Mr. Joseph, are you good with that? Okay. You're, you're, okay. You're tracking. All right. Next. The final item is something that, um, was just brought to me more in detail last week. And I don't know how much you all, um, want to discuss this item, but talking about amending the ordinance code, um, as it relates to direct contracts with DVI and procurement. So currently, uh, DIA and the parks department can directly contract with DVI for any amount under a hundred thousand dollars for certain things that are outlined in chapter 55 of the ordinance code. Um, I was asked to increase that to 250,000 and to additionally grant that authority to the public works department. So that sounds easy, but, um, there's a lot more work that needs to be done on this. The, you do run into state procurement laws that could be potentially triggered, especially by public works. I'm not sure entirely what the thought is on why public works would need to contract directly with DVI and not go through regular procurement process. Um, so those are questions I have and, and OGC needs more time to vet that to ensure we don't run a file of state procurement laws. Okay. One second. Yep. We'll go with the Q. So the pro, the direct contract was the, the park parks department, public works in DIA. Is that correct? Currently in our ordinance code in chapter 28, you allow parks to directly contract with DVI for a hundred thousand or less. Mm. And in chapter 55, you allow DIA to do the same direct contract with DVI for under a hundred thousand for certain items. It's mostly programming, um, type items. Uh, okay. I can pull that list up if you'd like public works wasn't involved included in that. It would be easier. It would be easier. That's correct. Okay. Cool. All right. Uh, we have council member Salem and council member Matt Carlucci. Are you in the queue or are you out? Uh, okay. Go ahead, council member Matt Carlucci. Uh, to the chair, to Ms. Schill. Uh, would you contact Corey? I want to go over that with you a little bit more. And if there's somebody else that needs to be included, maybe Ms. Uh, Edgecombe, uh, Colin, Carl and Canby and yeah. Joseph. Um, when I hear that increased number, uh, I may be all for it, but it gives me a little pause and I would like to, um, know the justification before everybody else starts wanting to do that too. Through the chair. Absolutely. And to the extent you want this special committee to introduce this ordinance code amendment, which I think is what you're asking me to do, uh, it may be worth it to have the conversation here, but I defer to you chair. Yeah. Um, I mean, I think let's, we can kind of pause it there and stay at 30,000 feet for now. Um, and then obviously if you want to get with, uh, council member Matt Carlucci and answer any like detailed questions that works fine. I don't think we're going to hash out any legislation, uh, right now, but, um, but yeah, was that the last piece through the chair? That is the fourth and final piece of legislation. Um, if you have any questions, I'm happy to take this. Cool. All right. So I think everyone kind of has their marching orders, so to speak. Um, miss Edgecombe, anything, final remarks, Mr. Tarbert, Mr. Joseph, anything? Okay. Well, it's been fun and it has been a lot of work, but a lot of, uh, good, um, a lot of good initiatives have, have come out of this committee. Um, I'm proud of the work that we've done. Um, I appreciate council president Carrico for putting it back together. Um, I will continue to urge, uh, council president elect Howland to continue the committee. Um, as it seems like, you know, most recommendations on the sheet have said so. Um, and if we need to scale it back or whatever, that's totally fine. But I do think it's a great checkpoint, um, in certain things that are going on downtown. Um, and it gives a little bit of a temperature gauge with, uh, uh, committee members. So that's my two cents. Uh, council member Mack, go ahead. Uh, I just want to compliment you on, uh, a really fine job. Uh, you have been, uh, a complete honest broker across the board. Uh, everybody has been given, um, just, uh, wonderful treatment, no agendas except for making downtown better. And, uh, and that's exactly what I look for in, uh, uh, a committee chair. And, uh, uh, and I just want to tell you, um, I'm, uh, if I may, I'm proud of you and really a super job. And so, uh, I think, uh, your leadership has done a lot of good for Jacksonville this year. So thank you. All right. Thank you so much. With that, this meeting is adjourned.