All right, it's 3.30. We are going to go ahead and get started. Let's start with introductions. To our left, to our right. Joe Underhees Administration. Stephen Libby, Council Research. Shannon McGillis, Office of General Counsel. Heather Weber, Council Auditor's Office. Good afternoon to everyone. Tyrone O'Clock, Murray, District 9. Good afternoon, everyone. Councilman Reginald Gaffney, Jr., District 8. Mike Gay, District 2. Steve Long, Public Works. Awesome, awesome. I want to thank everyone for coming out to this special committee on drowning prevention. The last month or two, it's been a critical time in Jacksonville. As you guys know, it's been two deaths in one month, but going over the last three or four years, the deaths, it dates back to over 10. So I think now is a critical time to address this issue. So first, I want to acknowledge and thank President Howland for allowing us to do this special committee. You know, he understand the importance of this committee to understand the needs and what need to be done. I kind of want to bring us up to speed how we got here. So, as everyone knows, August the 5th, Chance, Chance Brown, 7-year-old, he drowned in my district off Broward Road. At that time, my office, we reached out to Public Works, we reached out to the Mayor's Administration, we reached out to Developmental Services. We huddled, we discussed everything we needed to discuss, and we ultimately decided on having a notice meeting for August the 25th. At the time we were scheduling a notice meeting, August the 24th, a 3-year-old passed the day before. I have yet to verify the name for the 3-year-old. The 3-year-old was also in my district. The 3-year-old was also autistic. At that time, we had a notice meeting, August the 25th, where we had anywhere from 100 to 100 individuals to show up. We had everyone to come up from the health department, different hospitals, pretty much everyone, subject matter experts, to come out and speak about this. What we concluded was that an hour and 30 minutes wasn't enough time, August the 25th, which kind of brings us to the point why we're here today on the Special Committee on the Drought and Prevention. So, you know, we reached out to President, well, I reached out to President Howland. He did charge us with six charges, and I want to read off the charges that he tasked us with. Number one, he would like us to review emergency response and data. Number two, he would like us to review prevention, public education, and awareness. Number three, youth elopement, special needs, water safety. Number four, public residential retention, stormwater facility safety. Number five, community partnerships, intra-agencies. Number six, best practices, legislative authority, and recommendations. So, over the course, over the next six weeks or so, we'll be discussing all these topics. But today, what I would like to do, I think we need to identify the facts. You know, and what I mean by the facts, I think we need to identify how many deaths we have had over the last three or four years. I think we need to identify the ponds. But before I even go any further, I want to, I'm very thankful for Councilman Gay, Councilman Vice President, Councilwoman Clark Murr, for sitting on this special committee. And I would love to hear from you guys in terms of your expectations and desired outcome. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm, I guess, I wouldn't say excited, but I'm hopeful and optimistic that we can find solutions and preventative measures that we can help our community for awareness and protection of the children and the loved ones. So, there's, there's, there's, there's that hope that I have in this, and I feel like as we go through the charges that the Council President has put before us, we'll be able to achieve that to where, you know, our community will embrace it as well. So, I appreciate being on the committee with you, and I look forward to supporting you on it. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Councilwoman. Thank you, Chair, and thank you to everyone who is here today. My expectation is that we are able to draft and pass legislation that will help our construction community developers understand the importance of how we can create safer retention and detention ponds. The hope is that we'll be able to educate parents, apartment managing companies on the importance of knowing whether or not you have a child who has autism in your development and what precautions need to be taken in order to keep that child safe. My additional concern or additional expectation is that we will have little to no pushback in regards to this issue because this is literally going to save lives, and that's ultimately our goal. We know that everything has a dollar figure in regards to if we're looking at fencing or what type of mitigation measures we want to take, but ultimately there's no price on a life. And so, we should be willing to do what is reasonably necessary to be able to save the lives of not just autistic children, but all children. Thank you. So, thank you, guys, for both of that. And it's important that you mentioned it. I want to also point out, I think last week, I just found out about this, and I'm pretty sure everyone has. I'm not sure if everyone heard about it, but we also had a passing of an 80-year-old gentleman. He died in a retention pond. I think this happened back in March. I'm not sure what led to it, how it happened. I'm not sure if he was diagnosed with autism, but I think it's to recognize that we're just not talking about kids, but we're talking about elderly as well. So, I think even though this kind of originated from autism kids going in this water, but this is, like you said, we're talking about elderly teens, kids as well. So, I guess it brings me into our, I guess, the first part of the agenda while we're here, I mean, in terms of the parameters. Can we pass legislation? You know, I know we discussed this in the notice meet, and can we write, I know it's a lot of conversation about H-Bill, and I guess this conversation, this question to OGC and Shannon about H-Bill 180. There's been a lot of dialogue and a lot of conversation. Can't see the council enforce or impose some type of, I guess, restrictions around these ponds. To the chair and through the chair to the committee, the answer to that question depends on what that pond is. Who owns the pond? Where is the pond? So, although that is, the effects of Senate Bill 180 are going to kind of be in the atmosphere while you're talking about, you know, gathering your facts. Where are these ponds? Who owns these ponds? Which are the higher risk ponds? And then turning to, now what can we do? That's when the application of Senate Bill 180 would be the ripe and right conversation to have, and I would be happy to do it then. All right. And I think I appreciate that. I guess it brings me to the second point. How many ponds do we have here in Jacksonville? I mean, I don't know if that question is to our legislative services, our research department, how many privately owned ponds we have and how many publicly owned ponds we have. How many public works, you know, do we have a pond inventory? Because I think that's important. And obviously we know we can't do something at every pond. But I think it's important before we go further forward that we identify ponds. You know, I heard it last, a couple of weeks ago, that these ponds was on private property, you know. So I'm not sure if this committee, do we want to address public properties or do we want to address private property? So do we have like a pond inventory in terms of how many ponds we have here in Jacksonville? We do as far as for publicly owned ponds by the city of Jacksonville. We have the exact number. I don't have that with me today, but it's in the hundreds. As far as for private ponds, I do not have a number for you, but it's going to be thousands and thousands of ponds. Thousands and thousands of ponds. Go ahead. Councilor, I want to stop me. Are you recognized? Thank you. Through the chair to Mr. Long. So when we say public, I'm sorry, private, are we, how are we defining that? Do you know, like, how are we defining public? Is that along the state roadways? Is that referring to our housing that is owned by the city? How are we defining public? When I say public, owned by the city, I only mean city of Jacksonville-owned ponds. So that would be ponds on city roads. It would be ponds in city of Jacksonville parks. Of course, in addition to us, other public ponds that we have no jurisdiction over would be things like housing authority. If they had a complex that has a pond in it, we don't have any jurisdiction over it. If it was a Department of Transportation pond, if it was a school board pond, that sort of thing. So there's other public ponds, the port authority, the airport authority. So, I'm sorry, aviation authority, whatever it is, JAA. And so there are other public, but then when we say private, private is anything that is like a subdivision pond or even a private piece of property. It might be industrial. It might be commercial. You go out to a shopping center, and there's a pond somewhere at the shopping center. It might be behind it where you don't see it, but that would be examples of private ponds. Thank you, Chair. So thank you for that, Mr. Long. So we have thousands of private ponds, obviously. We need to get that exact number because, you know, I'm not just going to put it all on private, but obviously the last two depths was on private properties. And I think that as a committee, we need to know, I'm not sure how we can get that research, but we need to identify the ponds that's by sidewalks. I think we need to identify the ponds that's by playgrounds. I think we need to identify the ponds that's by schools. You know, and I'm not sure if those ponds are on public property or on private property. But I think before we can even move forward, I think we need to identify the high-risk ponds and the low-risk ponds. Because like I said, I mean, if it's over 1,500 ponds, we're not going to be able to do everything for every pond. But what we can do as a committee, I think what we need to identify, and this is what we could do now, is to identify the high-risk ponds and potentially put some type of guardrails or safeguards in place. I think, Stephen, our research department, is that something that you think we could get, you know, in terms of a number of private ponds here in the city of Jacksonville? I mean, I could do the best that I can, but I'll work on it and see for the next meeting and see what I can find. Absolutely. While you have the floor, can you speak? You know, I know last meeting it was stated that we had six ponds deaths over the last four or five years. To my attention, it's been more than six deaths. Can you speak to this? As far as, like, deaths related to children on the spectrum, I found 11 so far since 2021. So, yeah, and thank you for bringing that to the committee of attention. So, I know last, and I noticed it, we shared that it was six, so it's 11. And that's just kids, you know. So, I'm not sure if, I know we've got the Department of Health here, and I'm not sure if they have the same exact data. Do you want to come up and say it again? Yeah, please. Name and address, please. Good afternoon. Chief Andre A. of Duval County, Emergency Preparedness Division. So, about two days ago, Fire Chief Golden tasked me with doing a deep dive into some numbers, and I have a handout I can give you after this meeting. I know you're talking about ponds, but for the past two years, I just went two years, we're looking at about 86 incidents. I know you're focusing on ponds, but the higher number are residential and private pools. I can give you a better breakdown. I even went down to age groups, seasonal trends. All those things are important. I have an executive brief I can give you after this. It will really give you a snapshot of what's going on. What I would recommend through the chair is if we put a working group together and we could present some findings for you, so we can do the work for you and present it to you before next month, next meeting, so you can have kind of some recommendations of what we reveal. So, I appreciate that. Yes, sir. But I have a lot of facts. I mean, it'll probably take me 20 minutes to talk about it, but I'd rather hand it to you and to the committee and let you guys look at it. But it's a pretty profound analysis that we found. Okay. Thank you for that. Yes, sir. Do we have anyone here from the St. John's Water Management? Because I think the, I guess the permitting of these private ponds have to go through St. John's Water Management District. Correct? I think that's how it works. Mr. Long, right? Yes, sir. They would actually get a Water Management District permit and or a permit from DEP. But then, in addition to that, they also get a permit from the City of Jacksonville through our Development and Services Division. Do we have anybody here from the St. John's? Okay. If you come up, please. Thank you so much. And while you're coming up, I guess my question is, what we need to know, how many private ponds we have here in Jacksonville? And I think we can start from there. What I would like to do is identify the high-risk ponds and the low-risk ponds. Now, you might say, what is high-risk ponds? I think my definition of high-risk ponds are ponds within a mile from, I'm not going to say a mile, maybe like 300 feet from a school, 300 feet from a sidewalk, 300 feet from a playground. I think, as this committee, this is something that we can address now, these high-risk ponds. Because obviously, we can't do nothing about all 1,500 ponds that we've got. But if you could speak to, I guess, on the private side, how many ponds we have and what restrictions is in place right now. Yes, I'm Doug Honke, 7775 Bay Meadows Way, Jacksonville, Florida, Intergovernmental Coordinator. I think your staff has kind of covered the numbers and the permits that match up. But as far as numbers, I would have to go back and chat with our leadership. I know we have a meeting with you next week. So, I'll make that a point of discussion at that meeting. Yeah, Mr. Collins, and so thank you for that. If you can, so what we're looking for, at least what I'm looking for, if you could bring back to us, I guess, at least a ballpark figure of how many ponds we got. And I'm not sure how often you also could bring back how often y'all inspect these ponds. And potentially identify the ponds as low-risk, high-risk. You know, I think that'll be good for this committee in terms of moving forward. You know, and also to the community and everyone else who out there, you know, if you have any other ponds that you feel like that's causing a threat to, maybe a threat to the community, let my office know. Because right now, as Council President said it, we're surrounded by water. You know, Mr. Long said it. We probably have anywhere from 1,500 ponds here in Jacksonville. Obviously, we can't do nothing about 1,500 ponds. But what we can do is address the ponds that's causing the greatest risk. At this point, we don't know what ponds are causing the greatest risk. Councilman Gay. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, Mr. Connolly. What measures does St. John's Water Management already implement into the pond construction and design in your process? I'll take that question, and then I'll get it answered by staff, and we'll have an appropriate response at a later meeting. Those kind of questions, we're going to be looking to try to get a baseline of what is already implemented. Are we overlooking it? Is it being enforced? Is it being enforced and kind of, like I say, set our baseline and then try to start working from there from, if y'all have identified high risk, low risk, as far as geographic area? I know it's the four-to-one is the slope requirement that doesn't require a fence. Anything steeper than that does require a protective fence around it. So, I think that information would be helpful moving forward in trying to analyze this. Thank you. Yes, sir. Councilwoman, we recognize. Thank you. Good afternoon to you. So, I have had an opportunity to read the St. John's River Management, your, I'm going to use the term, administrative codes, and I was comparing it with the South Florida Water Management codes. One thing that I noticed that they do have, they do have some language in regards to safety, but for us, the St. John's, we only talk about safety in terms of slope, the slope of the pond. So, has there ever been any consideration as to, and let me just back up a little bit. So, when we talk about slope, so the idea that I understood from reading is that the idea is that if someone, be it an adult or a child, enters the pond, they won't necessarily be able to drown because there isn't necessarily a great deal of water in the pond. Because the idea is that if it's retention, it percolates, if it's detention, it seems like it's pushed to some other body or pushed out. But the slope aspect, it's supposed to be a safety aspect. But to me, it's, it only, it doesn't mitigate drowning. It's just a matter of the idea that if you don't have too much or too little water in the pond, then you're looking at not creating other nutrients where the pond becomes a, like an algae bloom, that type of thing. So, has the St. John's River Management, have you all looked at some actual safety aspects to add to your, to your codes? As, I'll take all those concerns and ask back to our leadership and we'll be able to bring those in much more, better detail to answer your concerns. We appreciate the partnership. Yes, absolutely. And I don't, I apologize if I seem a little adversarial. I just, it's just me. But the idea is to, once again, if we want these ponds, we need them because they help to keep our river safe, our other water bodies safe. But we don't want them to continue to be a detriment to the community and that their lives being lost. And we did, once again, we mentioned students with, children with autism. I'm so accustomed to saying students, children with autism. But we're also looking at adults and we're also looking at, unfortunately, and I know you know about Chloe's Law, right? Chloe's Law, have you heard of Chloe's Law? I've heard of it. Okay, so Chloe's Law has to do with a young lady who was driving along a state road and her vehicle, I don't know all the, can't recall all the details right now, but her vehicle went off the road, she veered into a pond and she drowned. There was, there were no barriers to prevent her vehicle from going into the pond. So state law was created and it was called Chloe's Law because, I'm sorry, and out of that law came the fact that if a water body was within a certain footage or distance of a state road, then there has to be a fence. And those who had ponds and they, who met that criteria, they had a 10-year span to put fencing in some kind of barrier so that, to prevent that from happening. Well, I don't know if you recall, some years ago, there was, they were looking for a football player and I think he was an NFL football player. And his mother kept insisting that he is, he's in his, he's in the pond, his car's in the pond. Well, I think JSO checked once and then they checked again and then, in the span of some time, they did find him in his car in the pond. And this was out on, I'm sorry, it was out on the north side too, it was either your district or your district, I apologize for that. But, but the fact is, it's not just children, it could be anybody. I mean, and if you think about it, you can, it doesn't have to be a large amount of water, it could be a small amount of water that you drown in if you're unable, if you're in a certain position, if you're unable to get free, it doesn't take much to drown. And so I think we need to start looking at our St. John's River Management Codes and comparing them with some of the other water management codes throughout the, throughout the state to see how we can improve safety. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Councilman. So one of the, and one of the charges, you know, Council President Howland did give is that he want to get practices from other counties. You know, so over this course of the next two to three weeks where we'll be meeting, we'll also be hearing from other counties in terms of getting the best practices. Before I move forward and kind of wrap things up, I think it's important that we hear from the community. We had, I think the first meeting that I noticed meeting, we had anywhere from 15, from 20 individuals from the community. You can sit down and I'll speak. We even had, you know, mothers, you know, autistic parents was at the meeting. I would love to hear from the community in terms, in regards to their thoughts of what could be done now. You know, I know time is of the essence. You know, right now this, this committee is scheduled to meet every two weeks. You know, two weeks is a long time. Between now and the next two weeks, we could possibly lose another child. So, I would love to hear from the community in terms of what can we do now and what are some of you guys' thoughts. So, I do have two public comment cards and I would love for you guys to come up and speak and you can give three minutes. So, Ms. First person is Ms. Sonja Leggett. You want to, you want to, yeah, three minutes. You can state your name, your address. Okay. If you, oh, if you guys have cards, y'all can just bring them up, please. Good afternoon, everybody. Good afternoon. Good afternoon, everyone. You get more involved and you have to, for every time we meet, we have to be done resolved. Some issues are, like for instance, someone was saying that how many children have died in a certain time frame. I don't think the statistics that they gave to you all on the panel, I don't think that's accurate because I think it's more than that. As far as these apartments goes, I think the liability should be placed on them. So, when we allow these apartments and different houses, subdivisions to come to our community, we should have criteria for them to manage their retention ponds. One thing I said the last time at the meeting, we should have sensors on those ponds or we should have cameras because when we ride throughout Jacksonville, Florida, we got cameras everywhere. There's no more privacy, so why not make these people who own these apartments, the city that's on these retention ponds, y'all put these cameras on them. It's a quick fix. It doesn't take a whiz and that's just me. It could be me. I have cerebral palsy. I could lose control of my car running a retention ponds and nobody ever found me. But if, in fact, they had a camera at those retention ponds around those sites, I think these issues can be resolved. I honestly feel like it's been drawn out because it's a simple fix, and that's just my personal opinion. And you want people to keep coming to these meetings, but you want people to engage. Look at the turnout not compared to Gaffney when we had it the last time. You know what I'm saying? I know some people that left there, they felt like it was just another meeting. And we don't want our citizens of Jacksonville to feel like it's just another meeting because it's not another meeting. We're talking about lies, whether it be autistic, Alzheimer's, cerebral palsy, whatever the disability is. We got to come to the forefront, and that's what I have to say today. Thank you. I appreciate that. And you can state your address, our address on file, please. 6320 Fraley Avenue, Jacksonville, Florida, 32208. That's in Gateway Mall. Okay. All right. Thank you. We appreciate that. All right. Next, we got Ms. D'Archa Bennett. D'Archa Bennett, name and address. Hello, everyone. My name is D'Archa Bennett. I reside at 3946 St. John's Avenue, Jacksonville, Florida, 32205. I represent the Julius Gingyard Foundation. Our mission is to protect and empower young people through water safety, drowning prevention, swimming access, scholarships, and community engagement. We want to support the city's drowning prevention work by bringing families into the conversation, as Ms. Sonia mentioned, identifying youth who lack access to lessons, promoting caregiver education, helping recruit future lifeguards, and raising community support for safe access to pools. We respectfully ask the committee to prioritize free or low-cost swimming lessons in high-needs neighborhoods, water safety education for parents and caregivers, and a youth pathway from swimming instruction to lifeguard certification and employment, which you guys have that with the youth, with the junior lifeguard program. And we would love to work beside you to go deeper and more into the communities. And we are ready to volunteer, assist with outreach, and collaborate with Jack's Parts, the Red Cross, the schools, and neighborhood organizations. And thank you for your time. Thank you. Appreciate it. Addison Patrick. Hello, everyone. My name is Addison Liberty Patrick. My address is on file. I second what people have said already about free swimming lessons, offering those as much as we possibly can. Also, any CPR classes that we can offer would be helpful. Something maybe as simple as, in addition to tracking bracelets, wearing a whistle could be helpful. Perimeter alarms, of course, the studies that the gentleman mentioned as to when, the time of year, even, the time of day that these drownings are happening, and where they're happening, if there are ties to schools and sidewalks and things like that. I think a medical review, if that was mentioned before I got here, sorry if I'm being repetitive, but, you know, why? Specifically, why are they attracted to ponds in the first place? And I'm sure that part of that is the reflection. I'm sure part of that is the feeling of the water that they experience. So, I mentioned this to Council Member Gaffney last night after City Council said, I don't know if this is a thing, but if there is some sort of dye that we could put in these ponds that would be environmentally friendly, that would take the glare off and make it less of a curiosity for them, make it less desirable for them to get in there. And any kind of incentives that we can give to CDDs or HOAs to facilitate, like, them splitting the cost, like an assessment, like, on their own, voluntarily, right, on their private property to put up some sort of barriers or fencing. If we had a standardized form, if we had some town halls with guidance to just help lead them in that process, again, on their own, on their private properties, I think that would be helpful, because a lot of people probably want to help, they just kind of don't know how to get started, and not everybody is good with community organizing. Sometimes, you know, talking in front of a crowd or knocking on doors is, like, extremely scary to some people. So, if there's anything to do to facilitate that process, I think that would help. And encouraging residential people who have swimming pools, if they don't have fences already, to understand, like, what kind of incentives they could get on their own health or their own homeowners insurance or whatever, if they put up fences and things like that on their own. Any bodies of water that are owned by apartment complexes or private companies, if we know that they have retention ponds or any kind of other bodies of water on their property, if they will report those things to us, just so we're aware. In the event that somebody goes missing, then we have a map of where to start looking. That could be helpful, too. Just kind of spitballing some ideas here as I'm thinking about it, but I'm happy to stay engaged with this conversation, and I'm sure that the experts will have way better ideas than me, but thank you for listening. Thank you for that to our attention. Ms. Adrienne Menzies, address and name, please. Hi. My name is Adrienne Menzies. My address is 29 Arbor Club Drive, Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida, and I'm with a local company here called Forterra Fencing. We install fences all across all six counties in northeast Florida. We want to be here to help support the committee with technical questions that you may have and also just advocate for the community as a company who cares locally and not to advocate for our business. So, we have some questions that we would like you to consider as you guys are putting in bills and advocating for policies. One of those is our current pool code requires gates to be self-closing and self-latching with latches at at least 45 inches high, but a stormwater pond or community retention pond has maintenance opening requirements specifically for mowing and vacuuming equipment, and those usually require a minimum of a 24-foot single gate or two 12-foot gates. Has the committee considered different types of things that are not going – that won't be practical for self-closing is what I should say. So, is the committee considering maintenance access and self-closing latches, locked latches as a part of these policy procedures that you're considering? Another question is the pool code measurement currently requires 48 inches above the grade of the ground as the height of a fence. Unfortunately, for a retention pond, it's not going to work the same because most pools have a concrete deck around it. And, obviously, in Florida we have a lot of rain, there's a lot of erosion, so I think things need to be thought of below grade technically, ground up. So, we're thinking long-term prevention and also better use of our community's money. And lastly, is the policies that we're making going to be only for new development or would it be existing ponds and retroactive obligation for local HOAs and communities? I also just want to offer to the committee that we are here to offer any free technical support that you guys may need, estimates, and just be here to support the committee. Thank you so much. And I appreciate you for bringing that last comment up in terms of existing, you know, communities versus the future communities because that's been a hot subject, too. You know, how do you legislate existing communities in regards to going forward? Which brings me to my next point. You know, Jacksonville is growing, obviously, right? We are approving ponds every day. You know, as a body, legislative body, we're approved subdivisions every Tuesday. So, you know, last night, we probably approved two to three subdivisions, which means another four or five ponds. You know, I guess my question, and I'm not sure who this question is for, you know, in the meantime, what can we do in terms of, I guess, right now? Because we approve ponds every day. Well, not every day, but every Tuesday at city council meeting. What can we do going forward, you know, to, I ain't going to say halt, because I don't want to slow down developers. I don't want to slow down the building. And I understand that they need it for storm water retention. But what can we do in the meantime? You know, while we're doing our research, we're doing our investigation, we're trying to find this data. But at the same time, you know, one subdivision might have seven ponds. And we just, I ain't going to say we're adding on to the problem, but, you know, before this committee is out, you know, it might be another 50 to 60 ponds is built between now and the next two or three months. So, I guess my question is, you know, to OGC, Ms. Shannon, is there anything that we can do? I mean, all right, now, and I know our hands are tied, but we haven't even thought about what we want to do. What is it we can do? To the chair and through the chair, to the committee, as to permits that are in process, I predict very little. However, I'm happy to look further into this. Again, you're talking about so many different it. What is it? And that answer might differ. So, but I can say with some assurance that permits that are in the process, you would be very limited in changing the rules midstream, if you will. Thank you. I'm somewhat hesitant to ask, but because I know Ms. Shannon just gave us an answer, but just thinking about the various zoning types and there's a landscape aspect. So, perhaps when that applicant, the applicant's representative comes to LUZ, we could look a little more closely at the exhibits, the retention ponds that's planned for the development and looking at the landscape aspect to see if there is vegetation, something that we can use in order to suggest to be a barrier. Because I know that, just thinking about PUDs, thinking about the different zonings, I know that is an aspect. Maybe could we place any conditions, depending upon the type of zoning type, through the chair. Chair, am I recognized? Yeah. Oh, sorry. Okay. All right. To Councilwoman Clark Murray, through the chair, again, it's a broad question, and I would want to get you some very definitive answers. I will say in my research thus far, landscaping and shrubbery are actually a problem, because then you may not see an individual in a pond. So, all good ideas, and as the chair explained, taking on this very important issue very methodically, get the inventory, get a mapping of this inventory, and then look at now what's in place and what can we do in this moment, is that's where we can get some definitive answers legislatively, with planning, with zoning, all of it, we can have more definitive answers when we can actually speak to this place versus that place, because there's going to be some very different answers, respectfully. Thank you. Through the chair, I think Ms. Parola wanted to come up and say something to us as well. Yes, thank you. Through the chair to Councilwoman Clark Murray. Basically, the planned unit of development would be the only zoning district that would allow conditions on a proposal, and what you could do as council is you could work with the applicant, and if council would like to see a certain condition for safety requirements and the applicant agrees with that condition, then that can be put on the final zoning enacted ordinance. So you can do it that way. As far as planning department recommendations, our recommendations would be grounded in code, so we would not be able to make those recommendations until the code is changed. And I think that is a similar reason why council and OJC would need to look into this and correct me if I'm wrong, but why council would, if they're imposing a condition, they would need the applicant to agree to that condition as well. All right, thank you, Councilwoman. Thank you, Ms. Parola. Before I wrap us up, is anyone here from the autistic community? Because another question that was brought to my attention, do we have a database where all these kids are staying at? You know, and I know we're talking about, you know, I heard the young lady say bracelets, and, you know, we could give out free resources. I think one of the things is that you could represent in terms of, you had the demographics in terms of autistic community. Do you want to come up? I don't think you have a microphone. Yes, I am a Medicaid provider with the agencies for persons with disabilities, so I really highly suggest getting with agency for persons with disabilities and having representation out here. They have those statistics dealing with developmental disabilities, because it's just not autistic kids. It's a plethora of individuals with developmental disabilities that are falling subject to these drownings and waterways. So just making that bridge and connecting that bridge, I think that's really important and getting them in here in the next meeting, just to suggest how we can cohesively work together would be ideal. All right, thank you. Before I wrap up, my colleagues, do you all want to add anything? Respectfully, name and address, please. Name and address, please. I'm sorry, I'm D'Archa Bennett. My address is 3946 St. John's Avenue, 1306 Jacksonville, Florida, 32205. And I do have some flyers, too, for some literature for the nonprofit as well for you guys. All right, so this is what we know. What we need to do going forward, we need to get a pond inventory, you know, and what I mean by a pond inventory, we need to identify, I think Mr. Conley from the St. John's Water Management, he'll come back and we'll meet again. I don't have a calendar in front of me, but today's, hold on, let me look. We'll meet every other Wednesday at 3.30 to 5 o'clock going forward until we come up with a solution. But the next meeting will be September the 23rd. But the next meeting, this is what we'll cover. So we'll get a pond inventory privately and publicly. So public works, I get a list, not only have us a list, but be able to talk about the ponds and retention ponds they cover, and we'll also get that number from St. John's Water Management in terms of privately. We will also reach out to our autistic community. What I want to get is a database from all kids that's disabled. If we could get a database and see where these kids stay at, we could kind of address it from that angle as well. We also, JFRD, Mr. Agu is here. He also will have some data for our next meeting as well. Is there anything else that I'm missing? While we're at it, Stephen, if you can, from a research department, what I would like to do is look at our best practices. Can you look into, let's see, I guess, what Nassau is doing, Orlando is doing. If we could choose five different cities just to see what they're doing to make sure we're on the right track, let's also look at, like, five different cities. I think we got, I think, both of my colleagues on the mic. So, yeah. Councilwoman, go ahead. Thank you, Chair. Through the Chair to Stephen. So, thinking about Orange. So, Tampa is considered, like, our sister city. So, Hillsboro, if you would put that on your list. I would say Nassau as well. Orange County, Broward, and maybe one other that's comparable in size to our city. Thank you, Chair. That's all I wanted to add. Councilmember Gay. Thank you, Mr. Chair. To the Chair, I would also, and the committee, I would also look at, we need to tap into our resource at the North Florida Regional Council as well to see what research they will be able to do and to provide us resources as well because they're a great wealth of resource there that can help us with this with other adjoining communities. But to the Chair, Ms. McGillis, especially what our parameters are, as what I'm hearing from our planning department is we're really, our hands are tied, but I'd really like to get full definition of what we're able, the to-do's and not-to-do's, to be able to explore those possibilities because I just don't want to try to do something and we keep hitting our roadblock everywhere we go. So I'd really like to fully understand, get that information on what our allowable parameters are for new developments and then, you know, the existing ponds and all, that those may have to be a total different scenario that we've got to work with these private landowners on what we can do to protect our children and our most vulnerable out there. Thank you. All right. Thank you. So, Mr. Henry, you recognize. Thank you, Chair, and thank you to the committee and everyone who is here and taking part in this. I think we talked about at the end of our last meeting that what I took away from it was doing nothing is off the table, and that's what I continue to hear here, which is incredibly encouraging. From an organizational standpoint, I think what I'm hearing is kind of four boxes, public, private, existing, future. So if we can think in those buckets to try to maybe help Stephen, you know, with the research, kind of ask in those categories, I think that might be helpful from an organizational standpoint. And then from an education standpoint, we've got partners and existing programs that are already in place that we could build upon. So I think hearing those things and try to tap into and take advantage of those things that are already existing in terms of reach out and education I think would be also incredibly helpful so you're not kind of restarting from zero. Thank you for that. If that's the last speaker, that pretty much concludes this meeting. So like I said, once again, we'll meet again, I'm going to say the 23rd of this month at 3.30 to 5 o'clock. The council president have gave us to the end of this year to come up with, I guess, our decision to come up with some solutions in terms of what we want to do. So, but reach out, continue to invite people out. We know our homework. I do want to address, I think, Ms. Leggett, you know, we're not just meeting just to meet. You know, we understand the life of kids, you know. So, as Councilwoman Clark Murray said, you know, it's our goal, hopefully, to come up with some legislation at the end of the day to make this safety prevention possible. So, thank you guys for coming out and I look forward to seeing you guys at the next meeting. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.