Rules Committee - Aug 31, 2026

All right. Good morning, everyone. We'll get started with our Monday, August 31st rules meeting, and we'll start with introductions to my left with Mr. Dennis. Good morning, Garrett Dennis, Administration. Colleen Hampsey, Council Research. Harla Schell, Office of General Counsel. Krista Carraher, Council Auditor's Office. Obie Pittman, District 10. Ron Salem, Group 2 at Large. Hannah Mars, City Council, District 1. Mike Gay, District 2. Will Lainon, District 3. Good morning, Tyrone Clark-Murray, District 9. Good morning, Michael Boylan, District 6. Randy White, District 12, just visiting. Nick Holland at Large, Group 3. Matt Carlucci at Large, Group 4, just visiting. Well, good morning, everyone. Thank you, visiting council members, for being here, and welcome Councilmember Clark-Murray to the Rules Committee. So with that, do we have any public comment? All right. Our first speaker will be Mr. Stephen Totnell. Come on down. You'll have three minutes to speak in reference to a bill on our agenda. Do you wish to speak? Come on down. Give your name and address for the record, and you'll have three minutes. Thank you, sir. Okay. My name is Terry Caldwell. I'm representing my mother, Betty Jo Caldwell, who is on Community Hospice, 3628 Hermitage, Road East, Jacksonville, Florida, 32277. I'm here to formally file a complaint against Mr., or try to prevent an appointment to the qualifying licensing board by Mr. Julio Aleo, A-L-A-Y-O, to the contractor licensing board. My objection, at first I had emailed Mr. Amaro's office and Mayor Deegan's office, and I left a voice message at Mr. Amaro's office as well. Still haven't heard back, but I am formally objecting to the possible appointment of Mr. Aleo. My objection is based on firsthand experience of Mr. Aleo and his company, Central Heating and Air Conditioning, LLC, regarding an HVAC installation of my elderly mother. The company engaged in predatory business practices, including incomplete and unlicensed work. They began the work without pulling city permits and left the job half-completed until they were fined by the city. Standard, substandard workmanship, the eventual installation failed city inspection. Furthermore, another contractor, Cornerstone, had later discovered essential heating and air had improperly reduced the copper lines from 7.8-inch to 5.8-inch, which caused a catastrophic failure and burned out the new compressor within three weeks, evading regulatory oversight. After I filed a complaint with the city, the city abruptly closed the mechanical permits to avoid municipal scrutiny, which prevented the licensing qualifying board from reviewing my complaint. Lack of accountability, they refused to remedy the failed system, withheld their insurance information from legal aid, and issued a cease-and-desist letter filled with falsehoods that I can disprove with photographic text and diagnostic evidence. Any individual who consistently violates city codes, evades regulatory scrutiny, and takes advantage of vulnerable citizens is morally unfit to serve on the board, tasked with upholding industry standards. I have pictures, proof, legal aid tried to help us, they couldn't do it. They sent a cease-and-desist letter, and I have proof that some of these are falsehoods. I can't get the city licensing board, qualifying licensing board, to review it. He closed out mechanics. It still failed. I have pictures here, a couple anyway, of what he did. He never passed inspection, and I can't get anybody to do anything to help us. All right. Thank you, sir. Next speaker will be Mr. John J. Nooney. Come on down and give your name and address for the record, and please speak directly to a bill on our agenda, sir. Hello, I am John J. Nooney, 8356 Baskin Road, Jacksonville, Florida, 32216, City Council Resolution 2023-0819. I'm in City Council District 4, Scott Wilson, CPAC 3, Rosemary Wiselowski, Raymond Day, School Board District 3, Cindy Pearson. I'll be touching on agenda items 1, 2, 3, 4. Number 7, 2026-03-76. Now, that's the home occupation, Dr. Johnson Waterways Park on Pottsburg Creek. Agenda item 10, 2026-0570. You know, that's, you know, JWB stuff. You know, we just want bikes. You know, CIA. You know, I've got my CIA hat on. You know, cycling includes accidents. And, you know, right here, I'm just down to, you know, just two minutes. But, you know, 2026-0570. You know, Morgan to Morgan. Farrah and Farrah. Harold and Harold. E-bike. Recuperation Park on Pottsburg Creek. Now, this is Amendment 3 stuff. Tourism. 67 counties in the state of Florida. 2026-0570. PPP. Public-private partnership. Now, you know, look at number 9, the last one. Establish that a violation of Part 9 shall constitute a Class C offense fine of not more than 100 bucks. And or imprisonment of not more than 60 days. You know, so, I mean, you know, the whole state's looking at this. I mean, are we low or high on the fines and imprisonment for this stuff? And, you know, you know, I'm just down to like some 50 seconds. But right now, you know, the only other thing I'm going to just say, you know, tomorrow, I'll be going to St. John's County. You know, and also, too, you know, I'm wearing my Boat Ramp Billy shirt. You know, look that one up. And then with each county, and then September 3rd, we've got the TDC, Tourist Development Council. And we also have the Northeast Florida Regional Council, seven counties. I mean, this is big stuff, state stuff, worldwide stuff. You know, it's a lot of stuff. It's all right. It's all right. But anyway, last thing, somebody, pardon Noonie, 2024-0107, 2024-0325. All right. Thank you. I believe we have one more speaker. If you would come on up and give your name and address for the record, and you'll be given three minutes to speak directly to the item on our bill agenda. Ready? Go ahead, sir. I'm Stephen Tocknell. I live at 3643 Oak Street in Jacksonville. It's the 7th Councilmanet District. And I am here in my role as president of Pedaling for Safety, which is the nonprofit arm of the North Florida Bicycle Club. The North Florida Bicycle Club has over 1,000 members who are very familiar with bicycle and pedestrian safety issues in Duval County. They all ride, I say we all ride, thousands of miles a year, and I don't count myself in that number. I'm way behind the rest of them. We're here in support of the general objectives of the Council Bill 570 regarding the regulation of electric bicycles. We understand there has been an explosive increase in the sales of electric bicycles, and not surprisingly, e-bike injuries and deaths are rising, especially among young or inexperienced riders. Children whose parents buy illegal or overpowered bicycles and other electric vehicles with throttles are likely to account for many of these additional serious injuries and deaths. Unpredictable movements, cycling without helmets, distracted bicycling, and ignorance or disregard of traffic laws are also to blame. We strongly support any plan that would provide additional training for children who use bicycles and electric bikes. Please note that Nassau County School Board has implemented a remedial traffic law course for repeat violator youth. It is our position that children who are too young to hold a driver's license under 15 should not be authorized to operate motorized bikes, e-motors, or e-scooters in Duval County. We support setting speed limits on sidewalks consistent with state statutes and comparable speed limits that are in effect in surrounding counties. Please note that the prevailing speed limit on trails in Nassau County is 10 miles an hour. Finally, to better provide for the safe operation of electric bicycles in Duval County, Pedaling for Safety and the North Florida Bicycle Club strongly support the planning and construction of separated bike lanes and other roadway features that better provide for connectivity. There are too many bicycle-friendly features here that tend to stop seemingly in the middle of nowhere. Legal e-bikes operated by responsible adults should not be restricted or prohibited when the problems associated with their operation are due to other causes. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Can I leave this with someone? Next, we'll go to our agenda. We've got the supplemental sheet that shows the order that we'll be going. The first item we'll take up will be on page 6, item number 8, 2026-0517. Can I get a motion on the bill? I've got a motion and a second on the bill. Is Mr. Julio Alero here? Come on down and present to us your desire to be on this construction trade board, and you'll be given three minutes, sir. Well, good morning, everybody. My name is Julio Alero, 37 years old. I'm here to talk on my nomination in the qualifying board. Your address, too, sir. I'm sorry? Your address, too. I just moved at 3,657 Trail Cove in 32277. Sorry about that. I just moved recently just this weekend, and I'm moving. It's a little hectic. So I'm here to talk about my nomination. The reasons why I think I'm fitted, well-fitted for this position has been I am first and foremost a veteran. I serve my country. With the United States Navy, and I'm here to also serve my city. This was my last station here in Mayport. I was with USS Way City and fell in love with the city. The city has only given me great things, so I'm here to find a way to give back. I own four different companies here in Jacksonville, cleaning, plumbing, air conditioning, and electrical. They all start with essential. I'm also starting a small real estate portfolio. So as you can see, I'm well-rooted in this city. I'm well-committed. I do want to speak a little bit on behalf of Mr. Terry Caldwell that was just here presenting his case. It is a very unfortunate event that happened. There's a few things that he missed out or left out probably on purpose. But the reason is it is just very unfortunate what just happened all around. I have spoken with his mother personally. And, you know, unfortunately, Mr. Caldwell has decided to go into a rampage of defamation throughout all different platforms. I did – we end up doing the installation through a home warranty. I don't know if you guys are familiar with home warranties or not, but with contractors and home warranties, it's a very difficult process. There are a lot of restrictions, you know, just due to finances. But nevertheless, he is absolutely correct. We end up performing the job without a permit at the beginning. We were in the impression that the home warranty was going to pull the permit. He was one of our first installations under home warranties, so we were not particularly familiar with the procedure. Later on, we end up pulling the permit. We end up paying the fines. And then once it was all cleared, we end up moving forward with the process of installing and getting it inspected and everything like that. Back into the permitting, as you can see, the installation was successful. I'm sorry. Go ahead. It was successful and done. Anything else you want to – No, it's okay. I've got my three minutes up. Sorry about that. All right. Thank you. I've got a couple of members in the queue. Let me go to Councilman Amaro first. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Through the chair, sir, how long have you been in business? About four years now. Four years. Yes, sir. Is this the only complaint that you've had in reference to your level of service? Yes, sir. And this was about two to three years ago. And through the chair, did I hear you correctly saying that you work toward a resolution? The resolution, honestly, we haven't had one just yet. We are having to figure it out with the actual person that we made the contract with, which is Ms. Betty Jo Caldwell. It's his mother. And she is the one that we have talked to directly. And I have given her the – you know, I will take care of everything. I just need Mr. Caldwell, Terry Caldwell, to be out of our way. We have had some altercations before by getting our inspector from the city kicked out from the home. I have had my crew kicked out from the home as well. Mr. Caldwell has a little short temper, if I want to say. You know, I don't have any felonies under my record, and you can find me, but, you know, Mr. Caldwell definitely. Through the chair, how soon do you see this resolution coming into being? I would like to say within a month, because I know that Ms. Caldwell is in hospice. I know she has a temporary AC unit in the room. I just would like to be able to conclude that we're not going to have any altercations whatsoever. As you can see, Mr. Caldwell, it's been a little difficult, I'll be honest with you. So you're telling this committee today within a month? Yes, sir. Two more things. What is the size of your customer base? I'm sorry? The size of your customer base. How many customers do you think within the companies that you've created that you may serve? Hundreds. Hundreds. I mean, we mostly focus 60% commercial and 40% residential, and then I have worked in all over Florida, you know, successfully installed anything when it came down to any kind of trades that we perform. So he just happens to be my last, my only. One more. Yes, sir. So you said this is your, the only outstanding complaint. If I pull you up on the Better Business Bureau, is that the only thing I'm going to find? Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, sir. And the reason I ask these questions, sir, I appreciate the fact that you're putting yourself forward. But the reality is this, that you're putting yourself in a position where your character has to be somewhat impeccable. Yes, sir. Because you're putting yourself in a position of oversight of those within the industry. And if there's any evidence that there's something wrong with you, I think it would be flawed to put you in that position. So far, you have satisfied my questions this morning. Yes, sir. So we'll see how it goes. Thank you for coming forward. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you. Let me go to Council Member Clark Murray. Thank you, Chair. Come back, please. Good morning. Good morning. I'm sorry, ma'am. No, that's fine. So you did answer several of my questions in your dialogue with Council Member Mara. So I'm wondering about volunteer service. Do you volunteer? Do you have, do you volunteer or any of your employees volunteer in the community? Have you provided, like, worked with any, like Habajacks, any of the other entities that provide services or build homes? Have you, what's your volunteer record? Under Essential Electric, we have actually done a project for Habitats for Humanity. This was about two, I want to say two and a half years ago now. I haven't had the pleasure to go back and to actually, it was a great experience, but I haven't had, I haven't had the moment to actually go back and actually do something else. So, through the Chair, so too, you haven't, or do you, what about your employees? My employees haven't had any volunteer hours. I mean, usually they just go with the whole, you know, pay as I go kind of deal. So, but, but I mean, the volunteer will happen through my, through my business and myself, and I'll be the one that gives up the time for it. And then, of course, I will pay them accordingly to what it is. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. All right. Thank you. I have no other speakers in the queue. I appreciate Mr. Alero coming forward and putting yourself. Mr. Gay, may I have just one minute just to kind of like put it out there because I know the gentleman brought up the Better Business Bureau. Sure. Just quick, Mr. Caldwell did try to sue us through the city, obviously defined, and reported us to the Better Business Bureau. And, of course, you know, all the, all the complaints in the platforms, all social media platforms. The ones, you know, the Better Business Bureau and in the Sioux and everything that has happened has came clear just by having a conversation with them. And, obviously, no basis of, of the pursuit of, of his, his base, so, of, of the complaint. All right. Thank you. Just put it out there. And as I was saying, you know, I appreciate you coming forward, putting yourself up for this volunteer position. I commend you on your service to the country. But, moving on, in regards to this position, I have received information from the Construction and Trades Qualifying Board and Code Enforcement with their concerns. And, Mr. Bowling, you're, you're on the queue. You want to go ahead and speak up before I go any further. Thank you, Mr. Chair, for allowing the opportunity. I wanted to actually, through the chair, to Mr. Dennis, if you could speak to the decision on the part of the administration to put his, put his name forward. And your, and, and your comments with respect to the concerns that were raised today. Uh, through the chair, uh, to Councilman Bowling, um, uh, Mr. Julio came through the actual, the Construction and Trade Board, uh, referred Mr. Julio, uh, to us. Uh, he met all of the, uh, the requirements. Um, uh, the complaint didn't come until later. Um, and so, I had a, a conversation with, uh, Chairman Gay last week, and also with Mr. Julio, uh, because if there's a complaint, and, uh, you know, totally understand, being in the construction industry, and I've shared with the chairman that, you know, of hundreds of, uh, customers, you're going to have one customer, uh, the complaint. You can't make all of them, um, uh, happy. Uh, so, uh, uh, Chairman Gay, uh, myself, uh, share with Chairman, uh, Chairman Gay, to allow Mr. Julio to come, uh, and explain his case, and then it'll be up to this committee whether, uh, you know, his explanation is good enough to move forward. Um, the administration feels, uh, confident, uh, that, uh, you know, that he could serve and serve, uh, in a very, uh, objective way in this board. Um, and so, uh, you know, the administration, we support, uh, moving forward, Mr. Julio, and seeing that he put on the record that he will have, uh, this issue rectified in, in 30 days. We will, um, you know, um, you know, if, if you all support him and approve him, uh, you know, we will, um, you know, follow and make sure that, uh, that he, uh, you know, he follows up with his commitment. If not, uh, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll move forward to bring, uh, someone else, uh, up for this position. Thank you. All right. You good? Okay. Let me, the, the, the cue lighten up again. So, let me go to, uh, uh, Council Member Will Landon. Uh, thank you, chairman, uh, through the chairman, uh, to the committee. So, uh, yeah, this is one that was more talking than I thought it would be. So, again, just reviewing the resume like I did. I see someone who, uh, y'all know how I feel about veteran entrepreneurship. I see a Navy veteran that got out and, like my two grandfathers, stayed here, started a small business in Jacksonville. Uh, that being said, uh, through the chair to Mr. Dennis, uh, and I'm just throwing this out there for the committee. Is this a time-sensitive position to fill? Because if the only outstanding issue is the fact we're waiting to resolve something, which we've kind of, uh, heard both sides of the stories, sounds like the BBB already said there's nothing to it, but sounds like there's still some work done, uh, to tie it up. Uh, I would just throw out there if it's not a time-sensitive position, rather than approving it now, is there an option to where we get the update in 30 days rather than we approve someone to a board and then find out that it was an even bigger issue than we thought. And now we have someone out there on a city-appointed board with a really big issue following him around. Uh, through the chair to Councilman Lane, and, um, it's not a time-sensitive, but it is a time-sensitive. Uh, and there is some additional information that I would like to share with the committee, but, uh, I prefer to share with the committee members, uh, individually. Um, uh, and so I've been, I've shared with ethics, there's, you know, there's, there's some issues there. So, um, so again, as far as, as far as this, uh, nominee, there is, um, there is, uh, you know, we support him, uh, you know, I would just ask if you all would approve him on today and, and, and allow, uh, me to meet, meet with each member. Through chair to Mr. Dennis, if there's something else to share with, uh, one-on-one, I, I wish that would have happened prior to this. Uh, I do not think I got a request to talk about this specific candidate, uh, other than just being sent his resume and everything. So, chair, that's just where I am. It sounds like there's a lot and more to discuss, and now Mr. Dennis is saying potentially in a one-on-one setting. So, I, I'm at the point I would prefer not to vote today. Uh, if we do, uh, based on what I've seen, I will support the Navy veteran that got out and started his small business here in Jacksonville. All right, thank you. Let me go to Dr. Salem. Um, through, uh, I'm sorry, go ahead. Uh, uh, through the chair to Councilman Laney, um, um, the issue has nothing to do with this gentleman, has to do with, and I'll put it out, it has to do with the chairman of the board who's, who he's replacing, who has been on the, um, on the board since 2011. Um, and every time we, we go to put, uh, someone up, uh, or make recommendations, uh, it, it seems like there's a concerted effort, uh, between the executive director and the, uh, the chairman, uh, to find, uh, something, uh, on various nominees. So, I didn't want to put that, uh, over here, but it has nothing to do with this gentleman here has, uh, something to do with the makeup of the board. And so, um, and so, uh, yeah, I'll just leave that on the record not to get into any more detail. Well, and, and to the committee, um, that, that really has no bearing on, on this, this, this, uh, what we're voting on here today, and, uh, I really understand you want to bring that to the committee, but it has no bearing on what we're voting on today. Uh, we're, we're looking at a candidate, uh, based on his qualifications, merit, and community responsibility. So, I just, I just want to put that out there as well. So, now let me go to Dr. Salem. Thank you, Chair. I agree with everything Council Member Landon said, but his last sentence, and that I would not be comfortable supporting him today with what I've heard. I would prefer to wait the 30 days where he's committed to getting this resolved and then bringing back, and then it's very clean at that point. I don't want to appoint somebody and then have a problem and then have to deal with that. That, if it's, um, it doesn't appear to be an emergency or extremely time sensitive, that would appear to be the prudent thing to do is, uh, Mr. Chair would be to defer it, um, 30 days, 45 days, whatever it is. Give him ample time to resolve it and then come back. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Let me go to Council Member Morrow. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm just going to say ditto to, uh, Councilman Salem's, uh, position. Obviously, you're the chair and, uh, if you want to defer it, um, uh, I, I do believe the administration, um, is true to its word when it says that they will ensure that this issue is resolved within, uh, 30 days. So, if that's the, uh, for me, that's a big stumbling block if we can get that, uh, situated. Um, you know, I'm always appreciative of individuals who put themselves forward to a public service, um, especially in the, uh, in the atmosphere we're in where no one wants to do anything but sit on the sideline and, and, and criticize. So, that's my position. All right. Thank you. And now let me go, uh, back to Council Member Boyle. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Maybe Mr. Dennis, you can answer this question. Uh, he is intending to replace Clifford Snell. Is he not the chairman of that, uh, board? Through the chair to Mr. Dennis. Uh, through the chair, uh, to Council Member Boyle, that is correct. So, it does have some relevance to the conversation. I just want to make sure that's, that's clear. Okay. Let me go to, uh, uh, Council, Council Member Pittman. To the chair, Ken. You tell me how many members are on that board? Uh, through the chair, uh, to Council Member Pittman, it's 15 members on this board. How many? 15. 15. And is he the only one being replaced at this time? Uh, we do have another, uh, appointee, uh, that's, uh, that's here today, uh, for your confirmation. Okay. I would just say for me, for my comfort as well, I'd rather for him to get all of his issues, um, that are concerns. So, we won't be back here again. And I think for you, you'll have, feel better about what's going on, not thinking something's, you know, over your head. I, I want to say I do appreciate you, um, bringing forth or coming forth and willing to serve, um, at, at this point with so much going on. Um, and we want to make sure that you are the right candidate and that you will follow up so that it'll give you those 30 days to be able to do that. And as they said, it's clean and we don't have to worry about it. I did, um, just a quick, uh, sentence here. Um, so because of the home warranty that we have, um, you know, we worked through, we were a third party to them. Uh, the equipment was provided by the home warranty. This is why the, the hesitation has been, has lasted this long. It's been because we don't, we did not provide the equipment. We were only hired to install the unit. Um, that's why Mr. Caldwell is saying that, um, you know, that the equipment is not working. Unfortunately, sometimes it's faulty. Sometimes things happen. And I just wanted to, you know, just put it out there. And do you think within 30 days that's enough time for you to, clear this up? The compressor is bad. It takes us about 45 minutes to change the compressor. Uh, it is under warranty. Uh, we just, the, the, the, the, the, the loops that we're running into is just making sure the warranty gives us the correct part for it. But I'm very confident that once we have the part on hand, we can replace it right away. As long as we don't have any issues, you know, on the, on the home front part. And I'm not trying to, you know, get deep into it. Of course. But I just want to make sure you have enough time so you can come back and we can, we can vote on it. All right. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Let me go to visiting Councilmember Carlucci. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh, I'm not sure he's, I'm not sure you got the votes, old buddy, but, uh, I'm not a member of the committee, so I don't have a vote. Yes, sir. But I've been in business 45 years and I've run into a unhappy customer a time or two. And, uh, I did my very best and there was a misunderstanding and no matter what you do, um, you know, it doesn't seem, um, that can, uh, that can be worked out easily. Um, I've always found it difficult to say I'll have it resolved in 30 days because that sounds like a volatile situation when you have a loved one in, um, um, uh, in hospice and then there's a lot of emotions involved. Um, but to me, Mr. Chair, um, I'd be inclined to vote for him and try to find out a little bit more about it until, um, council meeting because, um, anybody that's been in business or not for profit or, um, knows there are times when you have a customer that may not be happy and, um, and they may be prompted at a time of opportunity for the person they're not happy with to, uh, leverage that. Um, um, and, uh, so, um, I suspect there's probably a few of us up here that might even have an unhappy constituent, but we still got elected, just thinking out loud. Yes, sir. Uh, I'd vote for this gentleman if I was, uh, if I was privileged and honored enough to be on the rules committee, but, but I don't have a vote. But, uh, but, uh, that's just my way of thinking. Hey, none of us up here are perfect. And, um, and as a businessman, 45 and a half years now, um, uh, if, if I was held hostage to every unhappy customer I've ever had, although my reviews are pretty good on Google in case you want to check. But, um, uh, there is one that's mighty unhappy with me on there and, and what a thing I could do to make her happy because I couldn't. I'd vote for this gentleman. He seems like he's got the right heart, got the right intentions. And, um, I gave him a chance. That's just my way of thinking. All right. Thank you. And I'd like to recognize Vice President Joe Carlucci has joined us and Council Member Peluso has joined us as well. All right. So I don't have any other speakers in the queue. Um, as I was saying before, uh, Mr. Larrow, are you the actual qualifying agent of your company? Yes, sir. And that's a state, state license? It is a registered license. Registered? Yes, sir. Okay. And with that license, did you have to take a, a business exam as well? Absolutely. So in that business exam, it clearly specifies that if you are doing the work, you, yourself as a licensed contractor are responsible for pulling permits. That there's no other, I was working for somebody else who was working for somebody else. You are the one that's required to pull the permits. So you say you've done hundreds of projects. So if we go to the, uh, inspection department, they're going to have hundreds of permits in there and that there's not a practice of yours to go do warranty work without a permit. I don't, I don't even do home warranties anymore because of, uh, that, that, uh, specific, um, event that happened with Mr. Caldwell. So I know better, I learned a lot and unfortunately that, that's why I said this was an unfortunate, uh, point. And not only here in the city of Jacksonville that you can see my businesses, uh, and the permits being pulled, but you can see all throughout the state. Because I, I have, uh, I have done a repricity through every county that I have more than work with. Um, most recent one was in Pace, Florida. Right. And so what, what I'm, you know, bringing to the committee's, uh, you know, awareness here is that you, you pass an exams and you're licensed based on following the rules and the qualify, the, the, the requirements of the local jurisdiction. And so with that, that, that's where our local, uh, code enforcement contacted me, which they, they never do. And that, that this is such a issue that they are, uh, not in support of, uh, not the construction and trade qualifying board, but I code enforcement. That's, that's where I've got the biggest concern. Um, I would like to pause this. I'll defer it, uh, for 30, 45 days and see where, where this can go. See if you can get with code enforcement to make, make amends, uh, to be able to get, let's get past this, uh, to- May I ask, uh, may I ask what, uh, what should I be doing towards code enforcement? I know that I went to them when this happened. I know there were fines and things were lifted, but I don't know what are the other steps that we should, I should be taking towards code enforcement. Would the, this issue, if you want to understand, is not resolved. So you're, you're saying that the- Yes, it has, I, the fine has been paid. I even spoke with the- No, I'm talking about the, the actual warrant, the, the repair of this home has not been resolved. The repair part of it obviously has not been, uh, resolved yet. But I mean, when it comes to the original, uh, penalty, uh, and then it was fined and, and, and everything, all the fines were, were, were paid. And as far as I understood, even with the attorney general that contacted me about this, uh, things were already concluded because this happened a while back. This is, this is not something recent. Um, besides that, uh, I have completed and successfully finished in, um, an inspected work in that, in that home. So that has, I mean, the unit has been installed and it has, it has been permitted and, and successfully finalized. Okay. Well, well, well, give, give me clear on this. It's not, you, you finished the work, but it's not finished? It's, it's, it's, the work has finished, uh, the only problem is the compressor went bad. This is, this is where the issue, um, happens. It's like the, yeah, so that's why, and the, the equipment that was provided to me, not something that I have purchased or warrantied. Right, and, and so what, what we're challenged with here now is we, we're getting into a construction trade issue that really needs to be resolved before it comes to this, this, this, committee. Yes, sir. Um, my, my concern is that, that, um, you, you've been in business for four, four years. You know, we, we really need to make sure we've got, uh, uh, people on this board that, that are fully aware and understand everything that's, that is in regards to that trade that are, uh, um, specialists in, in that area. Uh, so that, that's, that's the concern that, that I have. If, if I was to vote on it today, I would vote no, but I'm going to defer it and give it some time to see if we can get some, uh, resolution here to, to be able to move forward with it. You know, I, I support small businesses. I want to see it succeed. Um, so I, I think that the best situation for us today is, uh, we'll be deferring it and once, uh, Mr. Dennis and everyone can get back to me, we'll look at moving forward with it. So I appreciate you coming down today. Thank you. Next item. Thank you. That we'll go to that's on our, our agenda sheet here be, uh, item number nine, 20, 26, zero five, four, five. I'm going to get a motion to withdraw. I've got a motion, a second to withdraw. No speakers in the queue. Open the ballot and record your vote. Mr. Dennis, uh, can you explain the reason Mr. Mr. Dr. Salem is, uh, inquiring? Uh, through the chair to councilman Salem or, uh, to the committee, um, this individual, um, decided not to, uh, pursue the nomination because there's a, uh, a financial commitment. Uh, he was told this financial commitment, which we, uh, for the cultural council, which we, uh, uh, uh, taught with the ethics and city boards, you're not required to give money to a particular board. And so, uh, because of this, uh, he doesn't want to move forward and then being, being told by the cultural council, uh, that he has to, uh, he's obligated to give, uh, money. So, he decided just to step away and support the cultural council the best way, uh, he can professionally. Thank you. Oh, okay. Now the queues lighten up. Councilmember Lannan. Thank you, Chair. Through the chair, Mr. Dennis, can you elaborate on that? There's a financial commitment to be on the cultural council, uh, board? There is not a financial commitment. He was told, uh, there was a financial commitment by the, uh, executive director of a cultural council, which we've gotten that, uh, corrected. Uh, and so, uh, you know, that's the reason for, uh, Mr. Uh, Tony that he does not want to move forward. All right. Let me go to Dr. Salem. Thank you, Chair. Is this a financial commitment to a campaign? Um, uh, through the chair to Councilman Salem, no, to the board. You know, most boards, um, uh, uh, uh, nonprofit boards, they have their board members to have a financial, uh, commitment. Uh, this particular, as you know, um, the cultural council is, is quasi city. So, uh, the city of appointees, which we have, uh, six on this particular board, um, uh, they were the whole, uh, uh, like 15 members, uh, the cultural council made a decision to ask them for some type of commitment, uh, which again, doesn't apply to the city appointees. And so, uh, so this particular nominees decided to step back because he could not. If I can continue. I mean, obviously that's very common for outside boards, uh, to, to ask for a financial commitment to, to be appointed the board. I've never, I've never heard that suggestion for a city board of any type and, uh, we need to make sure that is clearly squashed. Uh, through the chair to Councilman Salem and we have, we've made it clear to, uh, the executive director, Ms. Diana, that it's inappropriate and, uh, board members, uh, are not obligated or should not be asked to make a financial commitment. Thank you, chair. All right. Thank you. Let me go to Councilmember Pittman. To the chair and to Mr. Dennis, do you know if this is the first time that this has happened? Um, because I know over the years as, as Dr. Salem say, most nonprofits, um, ask for a contribution, either go get or give, um, um, on a board. Uh, through the, through the chair to Councilman Pittman, um, uh, we have had multiple conversations with, um, the, uh, the executive director about that, uh, and so I'm not, I'm not exactly sure the, um, why the translation did not, uh, you know, what, what was missing the translation, uh, once again, but, uh, but, but we've, uh, we've, uh, uh, uh, corrected, um, corrected of that, and, and as far as, uh, as far as I know, uh, no, uh, board member nominee from, uh, under this administration has given a financial, uh, contribution. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Let me go to, uh, Councilmember Bowling. Thank you, Mr. Chair. It was stuck. I couldn't get it out of there. Yeah. The story or the history of, uh, the Cultural Council is far different than the PSG Council. The Cultural Council was created independent of and was contracted by the city to administer Cultural Council grants. It's not like PSG. Uh, and I think there is an expectation, and maybe it was the language that Ms. Donovan used, that board members would be supportive of the organization as the 501c3, you know, a non-profit organization that is contracted by the city to do this. So I just wanted to make sure people understand the differentiation. This is not a city board, but part of the relationship that the Cultural Council, the entity, has with the city, uh, in terms of administering the Cultural Council grants is the fact that they have opportunity for appointment and approval of the, of its members, pure and simple. So I, I suspect, and I appreciate Tony's stepping back from this, and hopefully Ms. Donovan makes it clear. But I want to make it clear for all of my colleagues, the situation is not the same as PSG or other quote-unquote city board, because it, in fact, is not a city board. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Let me go to Council President Howland. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm glad we're about to just withdraw this and get it out of the way. But in the meantime, um, Carla, if you wouldn't mind digging up, or someone at OGC, digging up, um, where there might be protections. There's got to be in a city board created, um, in part or entirely by city council and or with represented, uh, board members, um, nominated and approved, um, by city council, we have to have something in there that says that those board members, uh, can't have any obligation, uh, financially to that board. Um, otherwise, I don't want to be in the business of, um, approving them. Um, so if you can find that and then maybe report to rules at a future committee, uh, where that protection exists, if it doesn't, we can figure out how to make it happen. Thanks. All right. Thank you. Let me go to Council Member Morrow. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just a quick comment, Council Member Boylan, thank you for the context. Um, it, it has given me a different view. Uh, the, the challenge here is that, uh, the process. These are individuals who are being nominated by the administration coming through this body to sit on this board, yet they'd be independent of. And so that's where the difficulties are. And so I'm glad Council President Howland is now asking for some clarity there because we all know that we're non-profits, bring your time, your treasure, and your talents. You know, we, we all know that, uh, but you should not feel if you're doing a public service work that you still have to be committed financially to an entity, even though, again, as you described the structure, the entity is not a city entity. So, uh, until we have some, uh, I heard the administration said they've made it clear, uh, perhaps it needs to be, as Councilman, uh, Council President Howland says, uh, established in policy and legislative for concrete clarity. So, thank you. All right. Thank you. Let's go to Dr. Salem. Thank you, Chair. Through the Chair, Mr. Boylan, does the Cultural Council do other grants outside of the city's grants? And, and, and the reason I'm, I bring that up and I'll give you an example. Police Athletic League has a board. They accept city money, but they accept a lot of outside city money. And I know board members that go on PAL are expected to make a contribution to PAL. So, and I'm very comfortable with that. But if, if the entity is purely doing city grants only, uh, I think there is a concern there. Through the, through the Chair, Mr. Frymay. Um, actually they don't, I don't believe they do other grants, but they spend a lot of resources on advocating and promoting the arts in our community. So, they, they, they have expenses, expenses beyond the administration of the grants, the CSG program. So, yes, they do raise other money for the purpose of supporting arts as a whole and, and promoting the arts in our community. That helps. Okay. Thank you. Right. Thank you, everyone. So, I've got a motion. Mr. Dennis. Uh, through the Chair to, uh, Councilman Salem. Uh, we do not have any appointments. There are no mayoral appointments to the Police Athletic League. So, uh, I'm not exactly sure how their board members, uh, are, are appointed. Uh, but, uh, but yeah, I think it's, you know, inappropriate for, uh, a board member, a nominee to come through this body, to be on a city board or commission, uh, to then turn around to, to, uh, to be required for a financial commitment to that. Um, you know, that's the position, um, and I'm pretty sure, uh, her Carla kind of mentioned that she thinks it's in board. I know you're going to be, I know you're going to look it up, but, uh, that, that's very, uh, inappropriate. Okay. No other speakers on the queue. So, I've got a motion and a second on the bill to withdraw. Open the ballots and record your vote. Eight yays, zero nays. By your action, you approve the withdrawal of 2026-0545. So, now it takes us to our third item. Go to item, uh, page number 10, item number 14, 2026-0630. Okay, and a motion on the bill. I've got a motion and a second, uh, with Mr. Corey Ford. Come on down, sir, and give us a little bit of insight of, uh, why you, you have a desire to, uh, serve on the trade, construction trade qualifying board. And you'll get three minutes, sir. Okay. Uh, good morning. My name's Corey Ford. A little bit about myself. I'm currently the vice president for the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, Local 177, right here in Jacksonville, Florida. Um, I was, uh, I was raised in Jacksonville, Florida, graduated from Mandarin High School in 1999. After that, I attended and graduated the University of Central Florida with, about, graduated with a bachelor's degree. Um, I'm on a, I am a proud IBEWA electrician. Um, I started the electrical trade and as an apprentice and over the last 20 years worked my way up the way, worked my way up the chain of command from an apprentice to a licensed journeyman, foreman, general foreman, and ending as a field superintendent for one of the largest electrical contractors here in Jacksonville, uh, running large projects such, such as the recent TSA security checkpoint at the Jacksonville International Airport and the latest five-story vertical expansion at Mayo Clinic, uh, two Jacksonville landmarks that I'm pretty sure anybody that's flown in and out here have seen. Uh, I recently moved into leadership with IBEW and currently work to represent all electricians' rights, specifically 1,200 of my union brothers and sisters here in Jacksonville, uh, but also non-union, non-union workers in our local jurisdiction. Um, I look forward to bring my work experience in both the office and the field to this board to help ensure that we're holding future contractors to the required standards. Licensing, licensing and safety is one thing that's very important to me. Uh, I currently hold an active Duval County journeyman electrician license, card number JE-3907, uh, and continue to ensure trade applicants have the required hours, knowledge, skills, and abilities to hold the, hold these licenses and certifications as one of my top priorities for joining, joining this committee. Thank you. All right. Thank you. I don't see any speakers in the queue. I would just like to add, I appreciate your, uh, dedication to the electrical trade and, uh, I'd like to be added as a co-sponsor and with that, we'll open the ballot and record your vote. Eight yays, zero nays. By your action, you approve 2026-0630. Tuesday night at full council, Mr. Ford will, uh, uh, once the council will, uh, uh, once the council confirms you, uh, you'll be recognized and, uh, if you want to attend, we'll recognize you and, uh, uh, uh, after the vote and we appreciate your service, sir. Thank you. All right. Now, it takes us to our next item in the agenda. We're going to go to page nine, item 12, 2026-0590. Can get a motion on amendment. I've got a motion second on amendment. Ms. Carraher. Through the chair to the committee, the amendment will strike some additional language that needs to be removed from the code in order to comply with the Florida statutes. Thank you. President Howland, are you on the amendment or the bill? Okay. All right. Uh, Ms. Murray, are you on the amendment? Um, no, I have an amendment for the bill. Okay. Well, let me go ahead and take care of this amendment. All in favor of the amendment, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Likewise. None. The amendment carries. Ms. Clark Murray, you're recognized. Thank you, Chair. So, you have a handout. It is in pink. I think that's appropriate. Um, so, just very simply, at the end of this, this bill, it states that, um, the mayor and it says, like, he, well, I think it's very befitting that we add the language or she, and it's, it indicates where it should be added to the bill. All right. I've got a motion and a second on the Clark-Murray amendment. Councilman President Howland. Uh, thank you. I support the Clark-Murray amendment. Um, I would just want to make sure that, uh, Ms. Schell and OGC is happy with it because they drafted this whole amendment to be, to ensure that the city is, uh, remaining compliant with, um, presumptive, uh, Florida statutes, um, and, uh, not avoid getting lawsuit by Florida carry. Through the Chair to Council President Howland. Yes, um, OGC is fine with this amendment. It just changes how we refer to the mayor, and I think it's a prudent amendment. Perfect. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Let me go to Councilmember Morrow. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm going to support the amendment, but I, I think it's in, and I'm not an English major, but usually when he is written, the inference is for he, she, and everybody. Oh, right. Ms. Clark-Murray. No. I promise you, I'm not going to be. And, you know, through, through the Chair to, uh, Councilmember Morrow, you are right. And that is for those of us who actually understand grammar and perhaps studied it, but in this day and age where the word woman is pronounced women, and that's the singular, I think that it's important to just add that language. Thank you, Chair. All right. Thank you. Dr. Salem. Thank you, Chair. I just want to make it clear, I'm wearing pink today because we are installing a female to the Stacksville City Council in, in an hour or so. That's the purpose of my pink. Thank you, Councilmember. Thank you. Okay. All right. So, I've got a motion and a second on the Clark-Murray amendment. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Likewise, none. The motion amendment carries. We can roll them up into one amendment and kind of get a motion and a second on the bill as amended. I've got a motion and a second on the bill as amended. Council President Howland. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll make this quick. Everybody received the letter from Florida Carry back in the first week of July, and I forwarded it by a one-way communication about a week ago. But the letter notes various places in our code where we potentially violate the state of Florida's preemptive statute, which renders void local laws regulating gun ownership. It noted about seven instances in our code, and I asked OGC to take a look at it, and you guys have been provided with OGC's response. But OGC says, indeed, each of the cited provisions does, in fact, violate Florida's preemptive statute, and it recommended the simplest way to avoid all such liability in the future is an ordinance which removes the void provisions. They drafted that ordinance for me. That's what you have here. It's just been amended once by the auditors and now second with Ms. Clark-Murray, which I might say she could have had an even stronger amendment just replacing he with she, and we'll see how that would have done. But she just added it to there. So if anyone has any questions, Mr. Granite is here, and I think Ms. Schell could answer them too. Thank you. All right. Let me go to Council Member Bolin. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I suspect, and I fully expect that we, and I will support this bill. However, just to comment and a question, the comment is just another strike against home rule. The state of Florida imposing upon us a second amendment withstanding, and notwithstanding, rather. Also, you know, the question is, when does common sense come into play? So it's allowed, we're allowed now, people are allowed now to carry guns that cause quote, unquote, serious injury into our port. So the craziness just baffles me. Thank you. All right. No other speakers in the queue. I've got a motion and a second on the bill as amended, and I want to thank Ms. Clark Murray for her amendment for us that are not English majors. So with that, open the ballot and record your vote. Eight yays, zero nays. By your action, you're approved, 2026-0590. The next item I was going to do was, our vice president, but he has stepped away. I'll go ahead and go to the next item will be number 15, item number 15 on page 11. Mr. Peluso. Thank you, Chair. I just appreciate it. Based on the item that we have here, it shows that item number seven is next on the agenda, which happens to be my bill, and it's, I think, a really quick one. If you wouldn't mind going to that one first. Okay. Well, I was going by my yellow sheet, but we can accommodate. So let's go to item number seven on page five for Mr. Peluso. Item number seven, 2026-0376. A motion on the substitute. We got a motion and a second. I've got a motion and a second on the substitute. Ms. Carraher. Through the chair to the committee, this is a technical substitute. In working with OGC, there were some formatting errors, code titles, and scrivener's errors that needed to be corrected, just more efficient to handle them through a substitute rather than amendment. So do I need to get a motion and a second on the substitute? Voice vote. Okay. Mr. Bullen on the substitute. All right. All in favor of the substitute, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Likewise. None. The substitute carries. I'm going to get a motion on the bill as substituted. I've got a motion and a second on the bill as substituted. Mr. Bullen. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Through the chair, through probably Ms. Schell, could you give me a quick thumbnail? I've just, I don't understand this bill. Reading the ordinance itself, the summary doesn't really offer any kind of insight. What specifically does this bill do in a couple of sentences? Through the chair to Councilmember Boylan, I believe we have the attorney that drafted this bill, Mr. Harvey from OGC, who could probably give you a good synopsis of it. I would defer to him. Good morning. I am not the attorney who drafted it. That was my predecessor, Dylan Ringo. But essentially, what this bill does is puts us in conformity with state law. There are current ordinances that we, excuse me, certain parts of our code that violate that home occupancy law that was recently passed. So this is just putting us in compliance with the state law. Can you cite for me, through the chair, a couple of examples of what that means? Sure. So, for example, in our Springfield overlay, there is a bunch of, there are a bunch of code regulations that we have that are contrary to what the state would allow. So they restrict certain things that the state does not restrict in home occupations. And so, for example, they restrict what types of home occupations you're allowed to have, the uses, they restrict the location and things like that. Whereas the new home occupation law that came through the state of Florida basically says that there shall be no regulation by a home, by any municipality, county, on those types of uses. Through the chair, were these statutes recently adopted by the legislature? Yes, it was. It actually went into effect last year, and we were, this was, if you will look back at the bill, this was introduced back in May, so we were just now catching up to clean this up, but it was already enacted back in 2024, 2025, I believe. Yet another example of impacting home rule. All right, no other speakers in the queue. I've got a motion, a second, on the bill. I substituted, open the ballot, and record your vote. Eight yays, zero nays. By your action, you've approved 2026-0376. Thank you, Mr. Pluso, for letting us get you out of the way. All right, the next item we'll go to will be item number 15 on page 11. Can I get a motion on 2026-0635 amendment? I second. I've got a motion, a second, on amendment. Ms. Carraher. Through the chair to the committee, the amendment will correct the council district for this roadway to reflect council district five. We'll revise the on-file documents to remove documents that are not relevant to this bill and include some documents that were missing. We'll correct the number of affected properties to five and correct some scrivener's errors within the bill. All right, no speakers on the amendment. All in favor of the amendment, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Likewise. None. The amendment carries. I've got a motion, a second, on the bill as amended. Second. I've got a motion, a second, on the bill as amended. Councilmember Lennon. Thank you, Chair. Through the chair, I guess my question will go to Councilmember Matt Carleach. My only question is, it's in council district four, in between the introducers and co-sponsors, the district council member's not there, so I just want to make sure the district council member is aware and good with this renaming. Through the chair, to Councilmember Lennon, I think it shows that it's introduced by the district council, co-introduced by myself and the district council person, that's district five, correct? It's the district. Through the chair, to the committee, that was one of the things you approved in the amendment that to correct the council district, it is district five. Through the chair, thank you, Ms. Schell. Okay, that was my confusion. Right there at the top, it said district four. Now, I said that was part of the amendment we just approved, so I have no questions now. All right, no other speakers in the queue. Let me go to Councilmember Bowen. I'll keep, I'd like to be added as a co-sponsor, please. All right, thank you. Councilmember Morrow. Thank you, Mr. Chair. It's Ms. Pollock here. Some questions were raised about the waiver. I'm going to support the legislation. I've known Mr. Haskell through my professional career. I can tell you what he's done for this community is immeasurable. Some questions were raised about the waiver of the five years, and the concern was being consistent. Consistent, making that application to every policy that comes forth, requesting a renaming. Are you satisfied with this going forward? Cherry Pollock, Office of General Counsel, and yes, I am satisfied. We have had waivers similar to this waiver where the honoree is still alive. This is not a new waiver. We've done it in the past, so I'm satisfied with it. All right. You good? And I thank you for sharing that because in my short tenure here, I've sat here and I've also heard significant pushback on other applicants. And this body agreed then and denied that. So, you know, I just want to be sure that what the position is from the office. And again, I stated I'm going to support it because I'm familiar with Mr. Haskell and the work he's done in this community. All right. Thank you. Let me go to Council Member Pittman. So we'd like to be added to the bill, please. All right. Thank you. All right. Let me go to visiting Council Member, past President Carlucci. Thank you, Mr. Chair. On past attempts to name streets after folks, I have always voted for them, just for the record. I understand the original intent of the five-year moratorium, and that goes back to days of pre-consolidation. And I get it, and I understand that, and I know how it happened better than anybody here does. But I like to sometimes honor those who are still able to enjoy that. This is, by the way, kind of tricky because the idea is to keep this somewhat surprise for the recipient of this honor. And so we don't ever know what media might do with things, but that's the intent. So in your goings and comings and goings, just if you can kind of keep that in consideration of your conversations. David Octor is one of my wonderful friends in life, and he would like this to be a surprise. All right. Thank you. I want to say thank you. I have no other speakers in the queue. I'd just like to reference that we did this previously in my district for Mr. J.D. Thompson. And so I'm supportive of it. So I've got a motion and a second on the bill as amended. Let's open the ballot and record your vote. Seven yays, zero nays. By your action, you're approved 2026-0635. I would like to go ahead and turn to page seven and go ahead and take up item number 10 while we've got JSO here and we get them out of the way and back to work. Item number 10, 2026-0570. Get a motion on the bill. I've got a motion and a second on the bill. Mr. Bowling. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Actually, I want to offer an amendment in advance of that. You have a packet in front of you, I'd suggest initially a substitute, but an order for us to help you in understanding what the amendments are. Following the red line of the ordinance, there is a second page that delineates all eight changes we are making to the bill. So while you take a few minutes, take a look at that. I also wanted to then share with you a handout on one page. There was actually a 41-page report that was done by the beaches with respect to e-bikes. North Florida TPO was part of that process as well. And then lastly, there is one sheet there talking about something that was published by Wilson Children's Hospital, where they anticipate a significant increase of incidents, traumatic bike injuries, as they call them, by the end of this calendar year. A quick story about this bill. I was back in October when I first was approached by a couple of different constituents suggesting that we needed something done. And I look at this really as a starting point in the conversation. We stood down on that when State Senate Bill 382, I believe it was called, was vetoed by the governor and then stepped our efforts up to introduce this bill shortly thereafter. We made some effort to take a look at what the state bill looked like and what our bill looked like and had some comparisons there, roughly the same. Actually, there was a little more stringent in terms of the speed limit than ours. On 8-17, I hosted a notice meeting, which a couple of my colleagues joined during the course of that conversation. I should, in advance of that, I met with both the planning department and their chief of pedestrian bike safety, also with OGC and a few others, made some changes, projected changes to the bill that you just read. Following that, I met with Chief Strunko and Commander Damone shortly thereafter. They made it clear to me they would not or could not support either the speed limit of 10, which we had initially at that time, and or the age limit. At the meeting on the 17th, we let people know that we were going to strike the age limit from the bill in recognition of the concern raised by JSO. However, the speed limit, although there are some varying ones at different points in this process, there is, we felt very strongly that 28 miles per hour on a sidewalk or a shared pathway simply was not appropriate and not a safe or secure way to operate. So we wanted to impose a speed limit. There is a state statute that limits if a city or municipality chooses to take up an ordinance like this one, that the most we can put in terms of a speed limit on the high end for sidewalks and sidewalk areas is 15 miles per hour. So we have adjusted this bill to reflect a 15 mile an hour speed limit. And Chief Strunko, I'm sure, will probably want to speak to this, but he made it pretty clear, and I found a conversation over the weekend with Tyler that they just felt it was too difficult to enforce. My answer to that question is this, really, I think it's having a 15 mile an hour speed limit on a sidewalk and or shared pathway is actually easier to enforce than 28. Don't expect them to put radar guns on people. I expect them and family members to understand it's 15 miles an hour. So if you go 16, 17, 20, you know, maybe if you're going faster than 20, a police officer could see by simple eye that this person is well exceeding the 15 mile an hour speed limit. So the bill, as it's drafted right now, as substituted, if you will, or not as amended, does speak to those issues. And I encourage your support of it. As I mentioned to the folks at JSO, of all the bills I've introduced over the course of my seven plus years on the council, this one has gotten the most input across the board and support, I might add. So, and I think it's a good starting point in this process. It does not incorporate an education component. I wish it did because we don't have the wherewithal to do that. We've got to start someplace with putting some kind of reasonable expectations of those who operate e-bikes in our communities. And for a lot of folks, it doesn't mean we're inhibiting their ability to do so. If a young man on an e-bike with a helmet on wants to go 28 miles an hour, you can do it on the road. Just can't do it on the sidewalk in the context of this bill. So I encourage your support of this bill, and I appreciate the conversation we're going to have about it. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Okay, so that's a... So I'm moving the substitute. Okay, the motion is second on the substitute. I'm sorry, it's not a substitute. The amendments. Amendments. Yes. Ms. Kerr, or Ms. Schell. Through the Chair to Council Member Boylan, I think this would be better taken up as a substitute. It's a comprehensive... I agree. That was not the advice that Milo Corey had received from Ms. DeFopolis. But I would agree it should be a substitute. So I'll offer the bill as... The red line bill as a substitute. Okay. Okay, I've got a motion and a second on the substitute. And Mr. Landon, are you on the substitute? To the Chair, yes, I'm on the substitute. I think my questions apply to all of it. So through the Chair, Mr. Boylan, I thank you for all this information. I apologize for not being at the notice meeting, so I am a little bit behind on this. But I do have a number of questions. First, I'm glad you put the shared use path in here. But one of my concerns is people getting tuned from UNF. So you have a lot of complexes on St. John's Bluff as well as Kernan. And right now, they go from sidewalk to shared use path, back down to sidewalk. And plus, there's construction going on. We're actually building a shared use path to go all the way through UNF to connect the town center and Kernan. And bicyclists, I've got to believe, go faster than 15 miles per hour on the shared use path. So that was one of the questions I had. Why would you limit the speed to something powered that potentially is going to be less than what non-powered is going to be going by you? The second question, signage. We've got speed limit signs everywhere. Is there some exorbitant cost this will be to have to put signs out there? And let me know if you want to answer these one by one, if you want to answer the signage question. Well, let's take the first question. We were very purposeful in putting the shared pathways in there. It can come out if that's an issue for some of my colleagues. With respect to the signage, that's something we talked about with the planning department, et cetera. Yes, there would be a cost associated with it. And there's nothing right now, quite honestly, that speaks to a vehicle to address that. But it is a matter, we've got to start someplace. And this is where I'm starting in this process. And we'll have to sit down and figure out what's it going to cost at some point in time to put up those kinds of speed limit signs. And, you know, so that's the starting point in these two processes. So through the chair to Mr. Boylan, that gives me immediate concern that this is a perfect example of approving something before we know what the cost is. Because I'm just thinking of all the sidewalks. We did a project the other year to inventory all the sidewalks in the city. I forget how many miles. I think it's something in the thousands of miles. So that's another one of the concerns I have on the speed aspect. The other, it's no secret, I have a lot of privately maintained gated communities. I'm not sure how this would work, whether we would have to enforce it. And if we have to enforce it, whether we would have to pay for those signs by the neighborhood rather than by just through the public works department. And Michelle might want to speak to this. But gated communities, those are private roads and private sidewalks. So this wouldn't necessarily apply to them. We're talking about public thoroughfares. Through the chair, I mean, this is a hypothetical situation. But from what you're telling me, you're speaking about a private neighborhood gated and the roads are private, then, yes, this would not apply. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Michelle. Let's see, going through my list of questions here. Another concern, traffic enforcement asset allocation, right? So my biggest concern in District 3 are the Atlantic Boulevard and Beach Boulevard corridors where we have super speeders and, unfortunately, a lot of DUIs. My understanding is we have our six patrol divisions. Me and you share Ms. Patina Tillman as District 3. I also have District 2. But I thought traffic is more centralized. I guess my concern is if this becomes law, are we now diverting assets from the traffic division, focusing on this, potentially taking away on what focus area? Because I get the e-bike concerns. But, again, just for District 3, those two corridors I just mentioned are the main traffic concerns of mine. I guess the answer to that question is a delicate one in some sense. How do we enforce traffic now in that sense? My argument is saying by lowering it to 15 miles an hour, a police officer can pretty quickly and easily see if it's 28, which right now the current statute allows for Class 3 e-bikes, they could be doing 35 miles an hour. And I hate to be a pedestrian on that street having somebody coming at me in a bicycle, an e-bike, at that speed. To your question with respect to bicycles versus e-bikes, I think bicyclists have the opportunity to go faster. I don't disagree, but they certainly have a much easier opportunity to slow down and stop if they see a pedestrian come in. So the control of that bike is very different than it is from an e-bike. But to your question with respect to enforcement, I think that's the concern that JSO has raised with me. They want to focus on vehicular accidents, and I do appreciate that. But this is something we have to reckon with. And at some point in time, it's going to become a greater issue. As you can see from the Wolfson piece, we are seeing increased injuries to young people in these bikes. So all we're trying to do is lay the foundation for that to that point. I can't discount your concern with respect to the cost of signage. We didn't take that into account in this process, and I'd welcome the opportunity to sit down with traffic engineering and others to figure out just exactly what we're talking about in terms of the cost of that. Obviously, we've got speed limit signs all over the city. It would be very simple, obviously, to append those signage with another small sign that has e-bike speed limits on it. And if I can, Chair, I have one last question. Through the Chair and Mr. Boylan, I mean, if you took the speed part out of it, reading how it's written, it'll still be a crime, for lack of better description, if either a traffic officer or a patrol officer sees someone driving crazy, and if they're driving crazy under 16, without a helmet, correct? So I might offer that as a step for now until we know what the true cost and what some of the other impacts would be on our traffic division. Well, to your point, if we want, we can't, we have to take the speed limit consideration out of it altogether. If you want to do that, I don't think it's a good idea personally, but I understand that. I mean, we can't raise it. We just can't not address it as per the state statute. So that's up to this committee to do. I felt obligated to start the process in getting this conversation going. Raise the awareness, the families out there, of the importance of, you know, the damages that can happen to their children or the injuries that can happen to their children and to others in this process. So I'll leave that for all of you to decide whether or not you want to amend the substitute to delete the speed limitation on it. For me, I would have a difficult time supporting it. Dear Chair, thank you, Mr. Boylan. I'll listen to my other colleagues. All right, thank you. Let me go to Dr. Salem. Thank you, Chair. Listening to this discussion, it seems to me to try to attach signs to existing signs would be just a terribly expensive process. And looking at the state statute, you've got to have a speed limit. If you're going to enforce it, you've got to have a speed limit. So I think to pass a bill that requires a certain speed without understanding the ramifications of signs and such, I can't support. I would rather the speed part of this be deleted. I know you don't want that, but it seems to me that's the only reasonable—reasonable is not the right word—the only prudent thing to do at this point until if you can come back once the bill is passed and have some plan for signage and such, then we could readdress it at that point. So I'd like to see the speed amended out. Mr. Chair, if I might. Good. The fact of the matter is we have a speed limit now. It's 28 miles per hour, and that's not noted anywhere. So that's a fact that, you know, whether we have signs—no signs for 28 miles per hour or no signs for 15 miles per hour is kind of what we're talking about in the context of this process. I don't—you know, and 28 means an unfunded or unmounted or unsigned 28 situation only allows folks to go much faster on those e-bikes on the sidewalks. And that's all we're talking about is sidewalks. If you want to go that fast, use the roadway. That's what they're for. So I appreciate your point. I would rather amend out the speed and let the bill move forward, and then as it gets implemented, look at changes to it as we move forward. So I will move to—if Councilman Layden hesitated, I'll move to remove the speed out of the bill. Okay, now we have a motion and a second on the removal of the speed limits. So that will be our—what's on the table to discuss now is Council Member Pittman. Mr. Chair, if I might just refer a correction on that, we're not removing the speed limit. We're just not taking up the 10 mile an hour. There's already a speed limit of 28 miles per hour. It's not in the bill, but the state statute requires a speed limit of 28 miles per hour, 15. Okay, let's—Michelle, can we clarify the amendment on the floor? Through the chair to the committee, the amendment on the floor is to amend the Boylan substitute to remove this speed limit. So I guess you're going to remove 2A on page 5. That's line 5 on page 5. When operating on sidewalks or shared use pad, this electric bicycle operator shall not exceed a speed of 15 miles an hour would be removed. So through the chair to the committee, I do have concerns about this. I did not draft this legislation, nor did I work with Council Member Boylan on it, but just looking at the state statute that authorizes us to enact ordinances to regulate e-bikes, it says the ordinance must restrict such vehicles to a maximum speed of 15 miles per hour in such areas. So, again, I didn't work on this, but I have concerns that this might cause other legal problems. So I guess to the committee, if you have concerns, what is the recommended direction we should be taking on this? Through the chair, if you want to keep that amendment, if you want to consider that, that's what's on the table before you. I'd recommend you table this. I know the director of this ordinance, Corey Milo, is in a hearing. If you could give me a chance to get with him and get more information, that would be helpful. All right. Let me go back to Council Member Lannan. Through the chair, thank you. Through the chair to Ms. Schell, just a point of clarification. Do you have an issue or a concern with the amendment or with the amendment to the amendment? I got kind of lost there whether the concern was as it is written or whether it was to Council Member Salem's amendment. Through the chair to Council Member Lannan, my concern is with the amendment to the Boylan substitute to remove the reference to a speed limit. Okay. So let's go to Council Member Pittman. Through the chair, I would really like to call JSO to get an opinion, if a representative could come. I supported this bill because, I guess for me, I had seen so many safety issues and concerns. And when I feel that there is a need where it may help with safety, you know, you have kids zip in front of you, you know, in small communities. And so I'm concerned about that. So if you can share, one, the increase, whether it's in certain areas or districts in the community, and if tickets are written, would there be a special fund for that to go in? One, and three, if it's better for us to look at a pilot program. I mean, there's a lot of questions, you know, that go along with it, but you all would have to be the one to enforce it. So I'd really kind of like for you all to give us some insight of what you think of this bill. Yes, ma'am. Good morning. J.D. Strunko, Chief of Patrol Support. My address is on file. I don't know if that's required or not to say. I appreciate you giving us a chance to speak here this morning on that. I am going to speak specifically to address some of your concerns about the enforcement concerns that we have regarding this issue. And I want to compliment Member Boylan. He's been good to work with on hearing us out. He's invited us to several meetings and has taken our opinions to heart on this to some extent. Regards to the speed limit, our opinion is that this is covered under Florida State Statute 316-1925. And if I could just read a little portion of that. And this is the crux of it with my discussions with the sheriff. He doesn't want our officers to lose discretion in the enforcement of this. And the writing of the Florida State Statute grants them that discretion. And I'll explain the mechanics of why I think we need that discretion after I read this. So that statute says it is unlawful in violation of this part to operate an electric bicycle in a bicycle lane, bike path, bikeway, right-of-way, roadway, or sidewalk in a careless, unsafe, and or reckless manner, which shall include but is not limited to weaving through traffic, failing to yield to pedestrians where required, operating at an unreasonable speed for existing conditions, and or leaving the roadway to avoid traffic signals. So that gives us a lot more leeway in enforcement. And to speak to one specific thing that was mentioned during the discussion by Council Member Boylan. So estimating speed is actually a skill that is taught to officers not in their basic training as a law enforcement officer. That is a skill that is taught in radar and laser operating class. That is something that they do during that special training that is given to operators of that equipment to actually learn to estimate speed. They will sit there and watch a vehicle go by, and the instructor will record their opinion of what that speed is, and they're taught at different speeds how to estimate that. That is not something that your rank-and-file officer is skilled in, nor do they have that equipment in their car. Your basic patrol officers, your officers who patrol the districts, typically do not have radar or laser operating devices mounted in their vehicles. That is going to be specific to the division I oversee. That's going to be your traffic enforcement and your motorcycle enforcement officers. So I say that to say you would, to enforce this if it is passed, have to have your traffic units taken away from what your concerns were, DUI enforcement, super speeder enforcement, enforcement on our high traffic fatality areas, which are up this year in Duval County, as well as your high-frequency crash locations. So that would require specific enforcement by those traffic enforcement units if this was to pass, which is one of our major concerns. So that is why our argument was that we would like to see the Florida State statute be the prevailing enforcement mechanism for our officers regarding this. Specific to the 28-mile power speed limit, my understanding is that is the state statute differentiator between an e-bike and an e-motor cycle. That is how the state differentiates between those two devices. And I think really fundamentally that's what the problem is here. This is a new technology, and for purposes of this discussion, an e-bike is limited to 28 miles per hour, has a saddle, a seat, and has pedals to operate, whereas an e-motor cycle is basically an off-road vehicle. It's not intended for use on our roadways. And when you see a lot of these youth takeovers that you see on the Internet or on the news where you have individuals taking over streets, a lot of times they're on an e-motor cycle, which would be no different from our standpoint as operating a dirt bike in a roadway. That is an unlicensed motor vehicle operating in a roadway or on a sidewalk or anywhere else. And there are specific Florida state statutes to cite individuals for that, whereas the 28-mile-per-hour limit is specifically just a defining statutory limit for what an e-bike is and then when it becomes an e-motor cycle. I hope that clarifies some of our position. It does. The discussion kind of reminds me of when we started the scooters downtown and when we were trying to think of how they were going to be enforced because sometimes we had kids or adults come downtown, which they just take over the streets. So, you know, at this point we've got to figure out if this is going to be the way it's set up, if it's going to be an asset or if it's actually going to hurt, you know, what we're doing. So I just wanted to ask those questions and see from you all, from your aspect, how do you see this and how it would impact the work that you all are doing. And it seems as though it's going to take some special training as well for that to happen. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Let me go to Council Member Clark-Murray next. Thank you, Chair. My question was actually for Chief Strunko. In listening to the discussion, there just seems to be more that needs to be added, but the situation does not seem to be as simple as just the e-bikes. So my question pertains to the speed aspect because we were talking about using e-bikes on sidewalks and shared paths. But if a person wants to go faster than the 15 miles per hour, then they have the option of riding in the street, correct? Consistent with bicyclist laws, yes, ma'am. The same laws that would allow a regular bicyclist to operate in the roadway would apply to an e-bike in the roadway. All right. Thank you for that. So in just thinking about, remember it says shared-use paths. So you may have pedestrians on that path as well. And just imagine, I know the idea is not necessarily to think about the worst-case scenario, but just imagine if you are walking along and then you have an encounter with someone who's on an e-bike who's going 28 miles an hour as opposed to 50, and I'm sure because of the speed itself will cause more injury to both that pedestrian and the person who's riding the bike. So I see this bill as not the end-all, be-all, but it's a start. It's a start because it needs to be regulated. We've heard and seen on the news countless number of times in St. John's County where kids have had crashes and they have been injured, and in some cases there are fatalities. They've encountered vehicles. So I see it as a start, and I am going to support it. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Council Member Lannan. Yeah, I'll just say that, or through the Chair, I mean, my observations is, one, I don't think we're going to solve this in the next 20 minutes before we have our installation ceremony. We're hearing from OGC that has concerns about the amendment that Council Member Salem had that I seconded, and we're also hearing concerns about if this passes, our chief of traffic and our subject matter expert says it will divert from some of the areas I'm concerned about being the high traffic corridors, the super speeders, DUIs, and other things. And we still have the question, are we approving something that next thing we know Public Works is going to need $3 or $4 million to actually enforce it. So, again, I do not like deferring things, but I do feel like there are still a lot of questions here. And, again, I do apologize. I was not at the notice meeting on this, so a lot of this was new weekend studying for me. But that's where I feel like we are at right now because we've got multiple parties saying it's not the right path forward in either direction we're taking right now. All right. Thank you. Let me go to Michelle. Thank you. Through the chair to the committee, so I've received confirmation from Mr. Milo that my suspicions were correct. And if you are going to pass an ordinance to regulate e-bike use on sidewalks, it must restrict such vehicles to maximum speed of 15 miles per hour. So you cannot, the Salem Amendment violates state law. All right. Let me go to Council Member Bowling. I kind of knew that, so I pushed it out there. I'm comfortable with deferring this so we can get a numeric impact on this. I'm just common sense to me dictates that 15-mile-an-hour on a sidewalk is not unreasonable, and it's a truly safety concern. So, Mr. Chair, if you mind, I'd like to go ahead and defer this. I will defer this also in neighborhoods, and it's in finance, on TEU in the morning as well. So I will just sit back on this and see if we can get some kind of numeric impact. All right. Thank you. So, Ms. Schell, will he need to withdraw his amendment? Okay. All right. With that, we are deferred. All right. That takes us to our next, back to our next item for Mr. Joe Carlucci. Let's go to item number 16 on page 12. 2026-0645. I've got a motion and a second on the amendment. Ms. Kerher. Through the chair to the committee, the amendment will remove the Section 118-107 waiver and related affidavit, which was attached to Exhibit 1. These are not needed because this is a services contract. We'll place a revised contract on file to correct the reporting frequency to quarterly. We'll reflect that DBI will be responsible for mowing. We'll clarify the alcohol sales and service language to reflect the current provisions in the current contract, which was the intent. We'll correct the budget submission date to February 1st, include revenue within the accounting and reporting language, and update insurance language based on review from the risk management division. All right. So is that both the auditors and the OGC recommend? Through the chair, to the chair, this is just the auditor technical amendment. All right. I've got a motion and a second on the auditor's recommended amendments. Councilman Amaro, you recognize? Okay. On the bill. Mr. Carlucci on the bill or the auditor's amendment? Okay. All right. So I've got a motion and a second on the amendment. All in favor of the amendment, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Likewise, none. The amendment carries. I need to go to Ms. Michelle or Ms. Kerr who's going to do the OGCs. Through the chair, to the committee, I have an OGC recommended amendment that I would like to state for you, and if someone feels so inclined to move it, I'd appreciate that. Revise the contract to reflect that the attached budget is DBI's proposed budget because they won't approve their budget until later in September, but that any changes would require city council approval. Add a waiver to the legislation to reflect that the contract waives the permitting requirements in Chapter 50, Part 5, and Chapter 667 of the ordinance code. All right. Can I get a motion and a second on the OGC amendment? I've got a motion and a second on the OGC amendment. Mr. Carlucci. All right. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I wanted to offer and see if I could get a motion to amend that amendment as well to add one more thing, and I promise we'll get out of here. And that is to revise the excess liability from $4 million to $2 million, and originally it was $4 million because Friends of James Weldon and Johnson Park was actually Friends of Hemming Park back in the day. The risk management division required $4 million because it was a new entity, and that's a very high threshold. The normal amount is $2 million. So, if it's going over to DVI, I feel like $2 million would be adequate for that, and that's just a request that's come through from DVI. All right. I've got a motion and a second on the Carlucci amendment to the OGC's amendment. Any speakers on that? Ms. Clark-Murray. Thank you, Chair. Mr. Joseph, if you would come up and just let us know your thoughts on the amendments that have been brought forth from OGC, and then the additional amendment from the council member. Good morning, Daryl Joseph, Parks Department. At the various e-mails and telephone calls on this, we're in a good place in agreement with the amendments and the revisions to the agreement. All right. Thank you for that. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. Let me go to Council Member Morrow. Thank you, Mr. Joseph. Don't move through the chair to Mr. Carlucci. I presume that this is to reduce the premium. I mean, it would probably, through the chair to Mr. Amaro, I mean, yeah, it would have a pretty minimal effect on the premium. I think it's just a matter of, you know, creating a... You don't want to be over-insured. Yeah, they're just, yeah. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Through the chair to Mr. Joseph, for the past three years, we've given monies to, I guess, it's friends of James Weldon. James Weldon. Yes, sir. Where will those monies now go? Through the chair to Council Member Morrow. So during the budget process annually, there's a funding amount that is approved. Those funds will now go to DVI, who actually will then function the work at James Weldon and Johnson Park. Okay. I'm good. All right. Council Member Landon. Through the chair and to the committee and Mr. Joseph, we discussed this in one of the budget hearings, I forget, but this is not an additional budget impact. Rather, it's been budgeted for by the coming year's budget. So I just want to make sure that was put on record that we did not just spend money with this bill, it's to align it correctly. Through the chair to Council Member Landon, yes, there's no funding request as part of this bill. The funding will actually travel with the budget, so there's no new dollars as it relates to this. Thank you. All right. No other speakers in the queue on the Carlucci's amendment to the OGC's amendment. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Likewise, none. The Carlucci's amendment carries. Do we need to go to the auditor's recommended amendment as well? To the chair. The auditor's amendment was already approved, but Council Member Amaro just moved the OGC recommended amendment as amended by the Carlucci amendment to the amendment. So if you could do a voice vote on that, and then I'll ask if you want to roll it up, and then we'll go to the ballot. All right. So I've got a motion and a second on all that. So all in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Likewise, none. All them amendments, Carrie, we'll roll up into one amendment and get a motion and a second on the bill as amended. All right. No speakers in the queue. Open a ballot and record your vote. Seven yays, zero nays. By your action, you're approved. Twenty-twenty-six, zero, six, four, five. All right. That takes us back to, finally, back to the beginning. Item number one, twenty-twenty-four, zero, nine, six, six is deferred at the request of Council Member Carrico. Item two, twenty-twenty-five, zero, seven, seven, five is deferred. Let me, I've had a request on that. Let me change that. Item number two, twenty-twenty-five, twenty-twenty-five, zero, seven, seven, five is requested to be withdrawn at the request of Council Member Carlucci. I've got a motion and a second on the withdrawal. All no speakers in the queue, open the ballot, record your vote. Seven yays, zero nays. By your action, you've withdrawn twenty-twenty-five, zero, seven, seven, five. Item number three, twenty-twenty-six, zero, one, nine, two is deferred at the request of Council President Howland. Item four, twenty-twenty-six, zero, two, zero, three is deferred at the request of Council President Howland. Item number five, twenty-twenty-six, zero, two, two, seven is deferred at the request of Council Member Diamond. Item number six, twenty-twenty-six, zero, three, two, zero is deferred at the request of council member white item seven we didn't taken we've already taken action eight we've taken action nine we've taken action ten we've taken action eleven we've taken action twelve we've taken action that i apologize item number eleven twenty twenty six zero five eight eight is deferred at the request of administration all right twelve we've taken action thirteen twenty twenty six zero six two four is deferred at request of council member bullen item fourteen we've taken action item fifteen we've taken action item sixteen we've taken action and the next items are on second item number seventeen twenty twenty six zero six four six zero six six two zero six six six zero six six six eight zero six seven two zero six seven three zero six seven six zero six seven seven zero six seven nine and that takes us to item number thirty one twenty twenty six zero six eight five get a motion on the bill I've got a motion and a second. Through the chair to committee, we're on item 27. Is that correct? 2026-680? Yeah, let me back up to 27. We've got some additional items we need to do there. Item number 2026-0680, Ms. Hampsey. Through the chair to the committee, for this particular item on its second read, according to section 50.102 in the ordinance code, because the appointee is not a Duval County resident, we're supposed to establish her significant business or economic interest in Duval County. This appointee is Ms. Lasikia Hodges. She lives in Clay County, but she is counsel in the governmental affairs for Smith, Gambrill, and Russell, and as you may recall, also worked in the general counsel's office for 17 years. That's all. All right. Let me, before I go to Ms. Clark Murray, I'd like to recognize Councilman Harris has joined us here this morning. Ms. Clark Murray? Thank you, Chair. I just wanted to be added as a co-sponsor. Ms. Pittman? Okay. Very good. Add me as a co-sponsor as well. We've got a bunch of me-toos. All right. So, that's all we need to do with that item. So, then we're going to go to item number 28. It's on second, 2026-0682. And that takes us to item number 29, 2026-0683. Can you get a motion on the bill? I've got a motion and a second. No speakers in the queue. Open the ballot. Record your vote. Seven yays, zero nays. By your action, you're approved. 2026-0683. Item 30, 2026-0684. Can you get a motion on the bill? I've got a motion and a second. No speakers in the queue. Open the ballot. Record your vote. Seven yays, zero nays. By your action, you're approved. 2026-0684. Now, to item number 31, 2026-0685. Can you get a motion on the bill? I've got a motion and a second on the bill. No speakers in the queue. Open the ballot. Record your vote. Seven yays, zero nays. By your action, you're approved. 2026-0685. Next item, 32, 2026-0686. Can you get a motion on the bill? I've got a motion and a second. on the bill. No speakers in the queue. Open the ballot and record your vote. Seven yays, zero nays. By your action you're approved. 2026-0686. Next item, number 33-2026-0687 is on second and that takes us to the end of our agenda just in time to welcome in our new council member Monet Holder. We are adjourned. That was some precision.