Rules Committee - Apr 06, 2026

good afternoon everyone and welcome to the april 6 rules committee meeting we'll get started with introductions and let's please start with mr dennis good afternoon garrett dennis administration colleen hamsey council research harley shell office of general counsel philip peterson councillor's office ken amara city council district 1 randy white district 12 darrens freeman at large group 1 chris miller at large group 5 ron salem group 2 at large mike gay district 2 good afternoon michael boylan district 6 nick howland at large group 3 just visiting will lane in district 3 visiting joe carlucci district 5 just visiting thank you everyone welcome again and i just wanted to say up front um we passed out order of agenda items so all the members have that and we will we will follow that but before we go to the first item there um i'm gonna ask do we have any uh public comment cards have we received any looks like we may have another one coming too thank you uh first up is uh mr john nooney to come forward you have three minutes hello i am john j nooney jacksonville city council resolution 2023 0819 i'm in city council district 4 c pack planning district 3 school board district 3 and uh first i just want to start by you know congratulating you know mr peterson you know i was just at the previous meeting and i want to be one of the first on the record congratulations and the council auditors uh with kim taylor mr peterson an unbelievable team uh also you know with the agenda rules you know uh of course you know i just um you know that yeah there are a number of different pieces of legislation you know uh agenda item one agenda item two you know but you know just going through it uh nine eleven you know we've got uh uh 15 and you know uh i'm just down to a minute 50 but with rules this is what i want to get on the record and you know there's an urban core c pack meeting later today you know uh ethics you know i went to an ethics commission meeting and i asked we have six c packs representing the entire city of jacksonville we have the mayor's disability council we have the council on elder affairs you know the senior citizen gang why is ogc the office of general council not represented at these meetings and it should be alarming for this legislative body as well as the executive branch and you know i'm just down to a minute and you know so when you talk about any piece of legislation you know with the rules and then you do bring in the office of general council you know it's guidance you know and it's a it's a moral compass that we just need to be following uh i also you know with the legislation i've got to just touch on 2025 0866 and that's the joint meeting between the duval county public schools and city of jacksonville and i have to give it to our incoming president you know nick allen i mean this is brilliant legislation and it has to do with our cip that's capital improvement projects you know classrooms in potsburg and you know i'm just down to 20 seconds but when it comes to the rules with our charter and public schools and the rules public access on our waterways it should be one of the biggest priorities fwc fish wildlife commission well fishing with council thank you for listening thanks mr nooney next up is miss harris please uh latavia harris address on file um i was here earlier about accident sorry guys um again a group the pretty much whole council came together for the cba uh we did a very good job you know going through it making sure the community was protected it's just part of the process that did not include the community which is us seeing exactly the people that put in the applications there was no definitely start and stop time letting applicants know hey this is the day it starts it's when it stops uh some of the appointees is not all the way it's not personal but they have more than problem well issue with collusion with lift jacks and that's one of the things not lift jacks as a whole but just making sure the board member was made of community um for instance we have dr jameson uh the issue i personally have with dr jameson he met with the young ladies that stayed in our first and seven street apartments he met with them a year prior to us even starting together east side these young ladies told him the conditions they were living in and he met with them as the human rights director and did nothing did absolutely nothing to be on this board yes he does live in the community but then all of a sudden mr magic comes in we get code enforcement to come through the stuff happens and that's the purpose of the human rights director but he also has the secretary to lift jacks as jake stoven showed you guys that he has not stepped down ariana randolph is the executive director of project one health with lift jacks cleave warren i'm sure and some of these people we don't even know how they knew about the board cleave warren was also on the first 501c3 they had him put on now he's on this board he does not i'm not saying he doesn't come in the community or go to church but he does he's not in the community again we have no youth on this community when we speak on significant business interests mr larry shrank is what we're looking for when we say significant he owns a business out east he employs people from out east all of the likes that you see on a philip randolph larry shrank did those didn't cost the city a dime didn't cost the community a dime anything the community needs whether it's hot dogs hamburgers he does it with everyone his name that is what we consider to be significant business interests you're there and you're helping miss rochelle stuttered we know the business is out east we haven't confirmed has does she hire from out east but she does not participate in the community kim black also received her home with project boots and associate with lift jacks so a lot of these people don't even deal in the community sean ashley clearly states he has nine properties he's looking to develop thank you thank you miss harris next is mr sanchez please my name is dennis sanchez and my address is on file and we spent many months and even city council spent many months trying to build the ordinance that would actually serve the community we were able to get something which is the opioid model which is what we're discussing now and in there even we had one of councilmen councilman braul arias even mentioned that he wanted the members to be of the community to be representing the actual community unfortunately that's not what we're seeing and most of the board members that were actually chosen here like um like colleague latavia harris has mentioned they have more business interest and even though they're highly accredited um it's more business interest but not much of actual community um involvement community um interest in general so that's been a major issue in in fact there's been resumes there's been people that applied where we've had issues where the links for the internet wouldn't function so many people didn't even know what was going on how they would even submit their applications um the transparency effect was not effective between uh city council and the community so it seemed more like city council was selecting who they want as opposed to what the community wanted which is in opposition to what was promised from city council when this was actually brought up and spent months trying to get this done when the goal was to get money in there into the community as soon as possible so there's four million dollars there right now and we're still discussing board members that were not appropriately um selected to actually represent the community so in addition to that we do talk about members that are chosen and why they're chosen as to what reiterating to what ms harris mentioned you have somebody like ruth jameson who's proven ineffective and who's actually we're showing that this the conflict of interest is actually very clear because how is it that somebody that's has dinner with actual tenants um nothing happens as a result of something that he's responsible for and then you get somebody that mr match it goes out there and actually does something and then you get quote enforcement with actual citations within weeks so that right there told tells you okay highly accredited and effective or is it conflict of interest and that's something we need to take into consideration whether he's going to step down from lift jacks board or not and then you have somebody else like ariana um who was also another one that's been chosen who's on lift jacks so these are the people that be were the opposition and now they're still being on the board to be considered thank you sir and our last speaker is mr match it please james match it address on file uh there is a couple of people that said the young lady wasn't at the back so they didn't get a card to fill out and a couple of them that got cards they're filling out um address is on file um they pretty much have have stated it what we have here is a breach of trust um the community now is left with a perception of collusion and i know everybody's tired of this process and just want to get it going i got it we're all with it but we get one chance to do it right so let's do it right coming out of the box and that's all we're asking for you know everybody wants to frame this as a fight over this a fight over that and that's nothing but the truth we've asked from the beginning and that's why we were glad to see this model being adopted is for oversight accountability transparency and community involvement when we look at the community involvement aspect we have two people that shows up as good good picks that there are people who have been doing things in the community over a long period of time and we're not trying to tell you that we don't like these because there's a personality count uh conflict we're telling you because there's a conflict of interest they cited those things to show you why the perception in the community is what it is we have programming in the community that's not doing well at this time and part of that is their connection with this group we are vested in seeing this succeed and we are we are trying to tell anyone who would listen that this group has a perception in the community where most of the people in the community don't even want to be involved with them and that's evidence when you look at the performance of the little dev store if you read the highlights you think well hey it's doing good but when you actually go out there and look at it in practicality it's really not so when when when when looking at these we will we want you to consider that these people while credential while have credential are not really revered by the people in the community and i'm not talking about this board who y'all been seeing down here in these meetings we're talking about the people who come to the meetings that we have and say hey this person ain't showed up one of them there is a nurse that really does not have a residence out there so the pillars that was put down that say this is what you would choose from those are not even being here so then that's that breach of trust again so now the community is fighting for their voice to be heard all over again thank you mr match it um do we have do we have others uh you had mentioned there were others that wanted to speak we can make sure we get the cards filled out after if if you'd like to go ahead and speak now if you would just state your name and address for the record please leslie jean bar and my address will be on file um as some of you know i represented together east side coalition inc in our effort to get this legislation passed and in the words of the inspector general fraud waste and abuse that was the model that was put in place originally before councilman salem's substitute came in which group was pushing that model the model that was a recipe for disaster the same group that has an over abundance of influence on the nominations that you have before you so we did a great job of making sure that this was going to be a fiscally responsible community driven legislation and now the vehicle may have changed but the destination is the same we're right back where we were where we did not want to be this committee has a responsibility not just to make sure that a box is checked that a qualification is met but to make sure that these people have the best interest of the city in mind and that means looking at more than what is on paper who contacted them ask the right questions who notified them who was behind their nomination coming forward these are important questions that when you're looking to not just rubber stamp a nomination but to make sure it's truly in the best interest of the community and fiscally responsible you know we worked really really hard to get where we are i think anybody who was on that committee can state that it was exhausting it was a lot of work i'm working pro bono and i've definitely put in a lot of hours into making sure that this was something that we could be proud of my family comes from the east side i'm a fifth generation jacksonville native and my family originates from the east side from the late 1800s this is a community that has been neglected for decades we have to get this right this is a historic opportunity for this community and we can't waste it we can't jeopardize it this is it this is the moment that this community deserves so we urge you to take this into consideration as you consider these nominations that are before you ask the right questions make the right decisions this is a lifetime opportunity this is what my ancestors did not have and so i want to make sure as i stand before you today that those of us who are from the east side that we advocate as hard as we can for this to be community driven not developer driven which although a non-profit is still a developer that just doesn't go well with the intent behind this legislation thank you thank you do we have anyone else good afternoon dawn curling address on file um i'm here speaking in behalf of the board as well um just felt as though the process wasn't fair as though we spoke about in the prior cba meetings that we were having um the vetting process was supposed to shape was supposed to look like what the opioid model looked like so it was supposed to come back to the community once these people were picked for the community to vet them as well and then make a decision based off of that we don't even know what happened with the resumes of individuals who had submitted there were no communications between the community and the process so i just have an issue with the process if we're supposed to be comfortable and you guys want us quiet let's run with the process of vetting them through the community because this is supposed to be a community-led board and some of these people aren't active in the community that's what we need the benchmark is larry schwink the benchmark is james edwards residents and business owners who bring value to the community not people who just don't even come to the community people who bring things to the community thank you thank you anyone else okay thank you all um and i had one more thing i wanted to add before we go we're actually going to do things a little bit differently on the front end because council member layman won't be able to be with us for our next rules committee meeting when a couple of his bills will be taken up and so i'm giving him the opportunity up front to be able to give us his input on those bills so that when when they come before us after the second read today when they come before us we'll have heard from him and have an opportunity to speak but before i go to him i just want to give him the the uh notice to get ready um i did want to comment and let everyone know on items number nine and eleven you'll see them marked as deferred that's 2026-0192 and 0203 the appointment of randy wise and the reappointment of general joe de salvo i just wanted to give you a little bit before we go into the the full meeting um agenda about that i just wanted to um give you a little bit behind my thinking there as as you all know there's a lot going on to say there's a lot going on with jda right now is a is a gross understatement there's a lot going on internally with their leadership with surveys as well as from city council special committee perspective uh there's even some things going on and at other levels and other agencies here locally regarding different actions some appointments and other things that have occurred so my mind as the rules chair i thought it was smart prudent for us to tap the brakes let's slow down a little bit and not affect the changes of leadership um until we know a little bit more about what's going on until we know more from those surveys we know more from an investigation that's going on um i think it's just smart for us to just slow down a little bit let's get some of those things better known by us as a body and individually before we take up actions that affect that organization because these actions uh and how we're informed by the activities that are going on right now may better inform us to make better informed decisions going forward so i just wanted to let you know um overall what my thinking was there and why those two have been marked uh for deferral uh so at this time we're going to go to uh the first item that i talked about council member layman uh to speak on the bill and it's yeah sure if you'd like to thank you chair i've heard your comments and i respect your desire to defer if we're waiting on the investigation and or survey i think those could be weeks away several weeks in order to get that type of information so do you see this as a one cycle deferral or do you see this as a continuing deferral until we get the information that we need thank you yes um i for right now one cycle um that's my intent and then and then we see what we get from the actions and some of which you're directly involved in um so i don't see this as we're putting this off for an unforeseen amount of time um for right now it's i'm putting this on a one cycle deferral thank you chair thank you any anyone else any comments i want to make sure i i don't want to go through what we'll go through when we actually take them up um but i still want to give you the opportunity if you have any comments uh to make thank you um council member boylan thank you mr chair to the chair i appreciate your wisdom in deferring this and i would encourage that you continue to defer in such time we have some resolution to the matters at hand thank you thank you um anyone else i saw visiting member carlucci was on the queue are you still yes please all right thank you mr chair yeah and that's kind what i wanted to come down here and just um speak about uh i agree with uh with the deferral on that i right now personally i i do have more questions than answers um however i know uh mr wise is here and i have full confidence in him it's it's a little bit of what process we're also undergoing right now and we're undergoing a lot of different processes there's a lot going on with our investigation jea's board this that and the other so um i appreciate the extra time um it it may take more than one cycle we just don't know until things continue to unfold but um but i'm going to be using that time to get my answers uh to the questions i have so thank you thank you anyone else uh yes council vice president howard please yeah thank you mr chair i want to echo mr carlucci's comments i absolutely support your decision to defer these uh two nominations i think um as mr carlucci said there's a lot going on at jea right now several issues i think none of them insurmountable um but there's a lot of drama right now i i i think we should make decisions when we can cut the drama out and decide based on facts and evidence and uh right now is not the time to take up these two nominations thanks thank you we have past president white also in the queue you recognize yes sir i'd just like to put on the record of the two appointees y'all probably know the one i'm close to and i just want to put on the record i'm sure this has nothing to do with mr wise he's just caught up in a time where there is a lot of stuff going on and i want to put that on the record because i am a co-sponsor for him and i wanted to put that as a statement thank you i absolutely for what it's worth 100 agree with what you just said um so next to council member gaye please thank you mr chair i want to echo some of the comments here and i think it's wise to uh just slow it down and let's navigate through it uh efficiently and effectively uh but i do have full uh confidence in mr wise's uh abilities to uh be on this board so it's no reflection on him whatsoever but i think uh it's wise for us just to take our time thank you thank you um for the second time uh council member boylan thank you mr i too i want i i should have mentioned that my first time around i had a conversation with mr wise i i totally support him it's a cloud right now and i let him know three weeks ago i was not support i would support a deferral of his nomination until such time all these matters were cleared so we did have that conversation he was very gracious in his response and it's not surprisingly for all of us to hear him say hey whatever you guys decide i'm going for it i'm here to help thank you thank you okay thank you all and with with that we'll move forward to council member layman to address first as 2026 zero two one three which is on page eight item number 15. yeah thank you chair and you mentioned the beginning i know in advance i will not be able to make the next rules meeting so i didn't want these to be deferred either but the first item 15 uh 2026 213 i am going to have a notice meeting on this in case anyone wants to go more in depth on that that nose meeting hasn't been sound uh sent out yet but it'll be next friday at nine uh this should be relatively uh no controversy on this one uh chair you had the bill uh that governed how we will budget uh unbudgeted completion grants when we get into the budget year this is governing uh 106.106 which has to do with the uh it's called the balance budget and budget stabilization reserve uh in there there's a requirement that any excess revenue we have to have a certain operating reserve target of five to seven percent we usually hit that this is saying anything above seven percent previously had no guidance on it this is saying if we're above seven percent and we still have excess revenue we will then look at it calls us something way more fancy in here but basically cash completion grants we've done a great job at chipping away at our cash completion grant obligate obligation this year this is now saying that each year when we do this process okay our operating reserves are at seven percent the high end of that range instead of then having it kind of flow down to whatever recapture process or we've used the term money grab this is saying the second priority is our unfunded cash completion grant obligations and then whatever's free after that we'll go through the normal recapture process but again i'll have more information on this at a notice meeting next friday at 9 00 a.m the second one even less controversial is the item 24 2026 234 that's the providence boys basketball team winning the state title they boarded the bus on the the east side of district three went all the way to the west side of district three at unf and won their state title so it's my only high school i have in my district so i'm proud of them and hoping to help celebrate that achievement with them great thank you very much okay we'll we'll next go to oh yes we have a question by past president salem thank you chair through the chair to mr lanon on the on the uh reserve one are you looking at the general reserve and the emergency reserve through the chair to dr salem no this only governs the operating reserve which is the five to seven percent range uh the emergency reserves we usually take care of separately at the beginning of the budget process so we felt there wasn't really a need to spell out the operating reserve high end or i'm sorry the emergency reserve because we take care of that ourselves usually at the beginning of the budget process so only the operating reserves are specifically mentioned in this ordinance one other question i'm hoping we get away from completion grants as over the next uh two or three years or so if there are no completion grants to complete where would the dollars go so through the chair to dr salem the only way money would go into this it actually creates a new sub fund and as you know mr peterson uh as well as the administration they track what the outstanding commitment is so it would never go above that number to begin with in other words if we know hey we started the year i think with something like 60 million next year in completion grants it's less than half of that now the number is never going to go more than what we've already signed ourselves up for and we've had legislation both councilman carlucci howland others have had legislation as there's been excess funds come available we put that towards completion grants so those are considered budgeted this would only be for what has not had money specifically put against it so we would never get above what our outstanding uh liability was maybe i didn't make my question clear if there are no completion grants to put this money towards let's say it's two or three years and we have no completion grants and there is money above that percentage do you have provisions where that money would go through the chair let me go with the auditors on that i feel like that's an unlikely scenario though because the only way that would happen and mr pearson can correct me if i'm wrong this we would essentially have to double budget for completion grants in other words through this process we'd put money towards shipyards at 25 million we would then only not use that money if we decided to switch the funding source after the fact uh through the chair to mr peterson i i think i answered that correctly but i'll let you chime in on this through the chair to councilmember salem and councilmember leanon the he his answer is correct i think the short answer is it would just stay in operating reserves thank you and through the chair to dr salem completely agree on the completion grants it was actually one year ago that my quote i really make the front page but my quote cash and sin of cliff was on the front page of the jack's daily record that week and we've done a great job especially the finance committee on chipping away at that and my hope as we chipped away from our future uh liabilities we don't just build it back up we need to find a better model that isn't just a check that we give when a project's done good good discussion thank you both for that we'll go next to councilmember amara you recognize thank you mr chair through the chair to mr peterson mr layman um historically in the last 20 years how many times have we gone above seven percent through the chair to councilmember morrow um i'm going to be drawing on some history but i believe in the late 20 teens 16 17 is when we really started making progress in our reserves now we are at roughly 17 to 18 17 um so we're well above that seven percent um but one thing councilmember layman also did mention that is another protection of this bill is we will stay at the 2024 unassigned fund balance which is roughly 369 million so there's that it's a double protection we will not go below the 369 million or seven percent it you have to meet both qualifications so the reserves levels if we're not above that 369 nothing would go towards this completion grant it would only when we surpass that dollar amount yes councilmember linden you recognize thank you chair so through the chair to the committee i said i was going to have a notice meeting to discuss this in more detail we have discussed it at the level of detail i plan to at that notice meeting so if it's okay that meeting was going to be solely for the rules committee if y'all are comfortable with what you've heard so far i won't set up that notice meeting for next week because it sounds like everyone's pretty comfortable with this thank you for that i i think i see a consensus here so that's that's good and thank you uh council member layman for this bill this legislation it's just another example and you mentioned some of them of us uh being more predictable but also um being more fiscally responsible and i think um given what great work the others have done to give us good clear current projections of what's coming up the more we can put guard rails in place that help guide all of our efforts on both our side of the government as well as the administration the better this will all be so thank you very much for that we'll now go through our series of appointments here so we'll start on page five item number six and that's 20 26 0 1 5 8 may i have a motion a motion and second on the bill is mr jones here please matthew jones yes he is i saw him in the elevator earlier today would you please state your name and address for the record and then tell us a little bit about yourself and why you think you're a good fit for the waterways commission sure matthew jones 7907 jamaica road north 3 2 2 1 6 um good afternoon thank you for having me through the chair to the body my apologies for missing last month my father of five and we had a pre-book vacation family vacation for spring break i've got a 13 year old left and i'm trying to soak all of her up i can there'll be a day where i'm not cool enough to hang out with her so um i've been a lifelong resident of jackson for almost 54 years i have for the majority of my life been very passionate and devoted to the beautiful waters of our city i truly believe that st john's river and the intercoastal are both one of our city's most valuable natural assets for the millions of people that enjoy them annually i wholeheartedly feel that we as a community absolutely must be good stewards of these resources for many generations after us to be able to enjoy as we do whether it's a comforting boat ride down the river enjoying seeing bottlenose dolphin playing in the river as i do this frequently or planning for an action-packed adventurous day on the water fishing it's every citizen of duval county's responsibility to leave nature just as beautiful as you found her if not better and i strongly believe in better i look forward to doing whatever i can to assist in any way possible to help make this happen as a current sitting and past president of the local hoa board i take keeping our community and resources safe healthy and prosperous for everyone to be able to enjoy in my role with a locally owned goodyear tire chain for the past 15 years i work very closely with the fwc officers and staff i truly believe in keeping florida beautiful we as florida residents have a lot to be proud of and part of being a true floridian at least in my opinion is being able to enjoy so many wonderful natural resources we've got at our disposal thank you to the body for your consideration thank you we'll we've got a couple people in the queue we'll first go to visiting council member carlucci please okay great thank you mr chair hey matt good to see you uh local district five business guy here usually i see him when i've got car problems but it's good to see you here otherwise i just wanted to offer my support i've known matt for gosh probably a good decade or something just because i've been going to the shop for so long but um i want to be added as a co-sponsor thanks for putting your name forward getting out there um you're the perfect pick for this and uh hopefully we can get you plugged in and other boards too because i think you you're you're going to sew really good work there so thank you mr chair thank you we'll next go to council member amaro please thank you mr chair uh mr jones i just wanted to reach out and say thank you for putting yourself forward and for your appreciation of the saint john's river and your understanding of its value because as sitting on waterways i come across where just some folks just don't understand the value of the saint john's river i do believe that your voice will make a significant shift or balance if you will and and help us not only shape the future of the river but also protect this very very valuable resource so i just want to say thank you for putting yourself forward thank you thank you next past president freeman please uh thank you mr chair and through the chair uh to mr jones one thank you for putting yourself forward definitely understand and can relate to the girl dad scenario you're absolutely right we want to continue to get those hugs as long as we can father four daughters so i get that my assistant said that uh she sent an email out to you uh with a few questions that i normally ask everyone uh if you have not received that then my assistant's sitting over there we can either schedule a call um we can handle it by phone or in person but i usually try to accommodate everyone's schedule by just going through those questions so if you don't mind getting those to me before tuesday i'm going to be in support of it today but um strangers or friends i've made everyone go through the same process on my whole time being on rules committees and so i want to make sure i stay consistent all right thank you absolutely thank you seeing no one else in the queue i'd like to be added as co-sponsor please and please open the ballot record your vote seven yays zero nays by your action you've approved 20 26 0 1 5 8 and uh mr jones i just want to mention to you and anyone else who is about ready to come forward after you um as far as our appointees go next tuesday night we will recognize everyone who is stepping forward to serve the city in these various uh appointed roles and so if you're able to make it just know at the beginning of the meeting we'll recognize you and and the others uh but it's not mandatory we just want to make you aware of that so thank you very much thank you next we'll go to page five same page uh item number eight 20 26 0 191 we have a motion and a second on the bill is miss bowman here please miss bowman morning everyone can you hear me oh yes we can hear you i'm sorry i got an ear infection so i can't hardly hear my sorry about that um my name is chrysta bowman and it's pronounced chrysta c-h-r-y-s-t-a my grandmother got the i and i got the y okay okay and i prefer to be called angel because y'all not going to pronounce it correct well and your address please ma'am 11 8 5 8 alexandra drive um 3 2 2 1 8 thank you and if you would also just tell us a little bit about yourself and why being on the other elder affairs board is a good fit for you well first of all i am an elderly person i know surprise they were surprised too you know i'm 62 i have been part of the jackson bear community my entire life i was raised by my grandparents um my parents was in and out of my life so i was raised to be around older people all of my life and um i have been um blessed to be have my own business i do private care in the homes of elderly people so i know what it takes to take care of elderly look after them and meet their needs um i feel like i could be a strong candidate due to the fact that i love being out in the community i am part of the c-pack community and i am part of tree of life outreach mission which we take care of the homeless fathers we want them off the streets and find jobs for them where they can be a pillow back into their community and in within their family so my goal and desire for the um elderly community is to be their voice be their candidate be the person that will speak on their behalf and look out and hopefully be able to meet all of their needs and not some of their needs and one of my biggest passion is to making sure that they get healthy meals not something that just sitting in front of them but it looks appealing and not just something to eat thank you very much we have a couple people in the queue uh council member boylan you're recognized thank you mr chair through the chair to miss fulman thank you for putting yourself forward uh we did not have a chance to talk but you are representing me and i introduced you based upon the information i have what you just shared today told me what i heard earlier the same thing so i had no need to have a conversation with you but for the record when you were one first grade i was in 12th grade so you're looking an elder affair right here thank you next is past president freeman uh thank you mr chair and through the chair to angel uh one thank you so much uh for putting yourself forward uh thank you for being here today your infections are no fun i i completely understand that i just wanted to call out one thing that you put in your your your response to my questions which i think is amazing here um would have never guessed the number you said um which i think is just god's been good to you said i recently completed certification degrees within several areas and i'm thinking you know you can just name one or two things but applied management associate's degree and bachelor's of science medical assistant mental health fetal disorders pharmacy technician theological seminary and pastoral all while serving as the volunteer chaplain at jso for over four years i think that that says it all elder affairs is one of my favorite favorite favorite committees and and embodies about for volunteers to serve on so thank you so much i would like to be at it as a co-sponsor thank you okay no one else in the queue please open the ballot record your vote seven yays zero nays by reaction you've approved twenty twenty six zero one nine one thank you miss bowman we appreciate it thank you guys now we'll go to page six item number ten twenty twenty six zero two zero two we have a motion second on the bill is mr nester here please bradley nester would just please share your name and address for the record and tell us a little bit about why the tree commission is good fit for you i guess good afternoon my name is brad nester address on file i'm a nominee for the tree commission i'm a senior landscape architect with england tims and miller in jacksonville i'm a licensed landscape architect with over 30 years of experience i'm also a past president and former board member of greenscape of jacksonville the oldest tree advocacy group in florida and a stakeholder a community stakeholder in the tree commission i've participated in a tree commission meeting i've read over the available information and i feel that my background and experience would be well suited to the commission's role and responsibilities i'd like to thank the mayor's office for the nomination and the rules committee and the city council for considering my nomination thank you thank you very much we'll go next to uh vice president howlin please yeah thank you mr chair i think everyone will notice if you look at the bill that i'm a co-sponsor i've known brad for 15 years our kids um have known each other since they were five and they're both 20 now i even helped brad install a ping pong table in his garage and then i beat him at ping pong after that at least that's kind of how i remember it um but brad was a little humble um he's had most of his career in jacksonville the pga tour whenever you've gone to the players championship the beauty of that landscaping is because of brad being a landscape architect one of many on that team but played a very fundamental role in that all the time now he's at etm um and so he'll be he'll have his hand in projects all over the city but one uh interesting thing he mentioned is greenscape so he was with greenscape during the time that that tree fund was created when there was litigation back then and and the whole i think brad finds a passion that um by by joining the tree commission he's going to be impassioned to plant those trees i think that's that's going to be important thing for him and he'll do it in a smart way as a accomplished um and revered um landscape architect so i fully am supportive of brad in this role thanks thank you very much and i'd like to be added as a co-sponsor please and you are certainly more than qualified for this position but having served as the liaison of the tree commission as well as past president salem and and others we realize how important that experience is and with a lot of taxpayer dollars mostly mitigation funds that we're talking about here we need to have the experience you have to make those wise decisions when you vote on the allocation of those resources throughout our city so thank you very much for for stepping up with that please open the ballot and record your vote seven yeas zero nays by your action you've approved 2026 0202 thank you mr nester thank you very much we'll next go to item number 12 which is 2026 0204 looking for a motion on the amendment please we have a motion second on the amendment um mr peterson or or michelle please explain the amendment through the chair of the committee the amendment just to correct this term to a first full term that would end on february 28th 2029 okay thank you all in favor of the amendment please signify by saying yes those opposed no the amendment passes we have motion second on the bill as amended um is is dean kate here yeah yes would you please come forward thank you good afternoon my name is kate moorhead carroll i'm an episcopal priest and the dean of saint john's cathedral here in downtown jacksonville we um we're the ones that founded the solsbacher center and we've been committed to the the homeless for um many decades so i'm um willing to serve again on the homelessness commission uh for a second term um thank you dean kate um oh uh we have uh council member morrow um in the queue please you recognize thank you mr chair um thank you for the service that you've done i just had a quick question because there was an issue here uh about your attendance uh 66 percent of the meetings i would imagine you have a very full calendar uh if you continue serving how are you going to improve that attendance ratio i will do my best unfortunately i do i do have a large cathedral and i do travel so um um i hope to do better but um um i'll just be there as much as i can yeah we'll go next to councilmember boylan please thank you very much more could you maybe help us understand and i appreciate if you can't make a meeting as one thing but you're what your what contribution are you making outside of the meeting that warrants you to continue to serve on this body um well as you know i'm i'm um working with many of the providers um and um we are um now um interviewing or we've begun to work with a consultant so um we're getting to know that that entity as well um so um that's pretty much the extent of what i've been doing yeah i just want to make the point i think it's it's appropriate to make given as you said you're steeped in this work already and continuing your work in this capacity as you said to make every effort to attend at least 75 of the meetings but the very you're going to stay active otherwise in in this issue correct yes of course thank you next go to past president uh freeman please uh thank you mr chair and through the chair uh to miss carroll uh one i'm usually never very critical um because i understand that these are volunteer roles but i just heard my colleague reference how much work you're doing already uh which is great and it's good for our city um the question that i want to ask is have you mapped out the dates of the meetings because i know you say you have a schedule where that's filled with a lot of travel so i would imagine that your travel plans would be made conferences or whatever that might be can you tell me through the chair how many upcoming meetings you foresee having a conflict just based off of your current calendar now for 2026 the remainder of the year yeah it should be less i i have there are two meetings in the coming year that i will not be able to attend but most of them i will be there yes thank you very much no one else in the queue please open the ballot and record your vote oh i'm sorry um it it came up and went off so before before we do that mr dennis please uh through the chair to the committee uh i will definitely have to add on to her uh attendance and i think there's someone from uh from staff but uh when the commission was set up uh they had multiple special committee meetings and if you looked at her entire attendance it was almost an 80 percent if you add in those special meetings and so uh we went back and forth with ogc and the auditors and so they base it on the standing board meetings and not the multiple special committee meetings so um i just wanted to add that that you know uh i think your overall was close to i think you were on some of those emails was close to 80 percent if you add in the special board meetings um with the standing meetings and uh i know the auditors here and and ogc but it was kind of back and forth so um dean carroll uh you know she made you know again almost 80 percent of those meetings uh but where it took her down when they when auditors and ogc just looked at these standing committees and if i might add to through the chair um we also shifted the meeting times a number of times but now that's set so i'll have an easier time making the meetings okay great thank you both very much uh please record your votes thank you seven yeas zero nays thank you fire action you've approved 2026 0204 thank you very much we'll go next to page number seven item 13 2026 0205 we have a motion second on the bill and i see miss gillette coming up here i know she's on on a scooter so take you take your time be careful i'm surprised actually you're here after surgery recently but thank you for for making the effort thank you dorothy gillette 226 broward road and would you just share miss gillette a little bit about yourself and and why you know being on this um planning commission why this is something you really want to do when you're you have the experience to do please correct well i am an at-large member on the planning commission um before charles garrison who was our chair last year moved to new york in october he was slated for this position uh he had asked all of us to take various board and commission positions because he wanted the planning commission to be liaison to a lot of these different boards and commissions so um when he left um it sort of left a a spot and uh mona holder who's our chair currently asked me if i would be involved in it she knows that as an at-large member of the planning commission i'm out in the community all over i attend meetings um um as often as i can um to the various districts um being an educator for the last 53 years i've been circulating through jacksonville i visit the homes of the children who need my assistance through duval county public school hospital homebound program and so i get to hear and see various communities all over jacksonville so as someone who has eyes and ears on some of the issues uh with the housing issues that we do have here in the city um chairman holder felt it was a a good match for the two of us thank you very much for that and i must apologize i just want to clarify she's on the planning commission now and she's being appointed to the jacksonville housing and community development commission so i wanted to clarify that because i um what i commented on would have been a little uh misleading so thank you um for giving us a little bit about your background i just want to ask one question before we go to the the queue here would you share with us a little bit about uh people people say you know i've lived here for so long um how many generations um have has your family been here in jacksonville seventh generation in jacksonville seventh generation looking about 209 years now that my family has been here so yeah i i'm pretty much know jacksonville back and forth and like i said being on the planning commission it's given me an opportunity to go to meetings and hear what people are saying in their communities i get to listen i think that's important so hopefully i can act on some of what i've listened to and i look forward to to learning more about this commission um i i had an opportunity to talk to a couple of the members uh to fill me in because i had a lot of questions so and that's what i do i question things thank you very much we'll go next to council member gay please thank you mr chair uh through the chair to miss gillette uh i appreciate you stepping forward to uh uh get in this role i think you're uh a good fit for it and the city of benefit for you being in there and just for the record she's one of the the original browards from our city and so it's quite a legacy and so please add me as a co-sponsor thank you thank you um council member omar are you on on the queue yes please you're recognized thank you mr chair i just uh wanted to be uh added as a co-sponsor as well i met miss gillette a long time ago when we were trying to put all them their own homes in her neighborhood and and they managed to get through and uh but i know your commitment and your passion uh for just urban planning and doing what is right and and so i think you'll serve well in this capacity thank you we're next president salem you recognize yes thank you chair i've known dorothy and members of her family for many many years and like to be out as a co-sponsor and next to pass president freeman please uh thank you mr chair i want to go on record saying that i too was around uh councilman morrow during that that time with the development and today might be the slowest i've ever seen you move uh so we're praying for quick healing for you uh whatever you're dealing with and i would like definitely has slowed me down i'd like to be at it as a co-sponsor thank you thank you seeing no one else in the queue i would also like to be out as a co-sponsor and i will say i just appreciate your frankness your passion your drive to make jacksonville the best that it can be i see that i hear it everywhere i go and you and your family are fully committed to this city and uh we need more of that so thank you very much and with that please open the ballot and record your vote seven yeas zero needs by your action you approve 2026 0205 thank you miss gillette and thank you um speedy healing well next would be um item number 14 however i've been informed by mr dennis that uh he's not available so that appointment will be deferred is that correct mr dennis that appointment will be deferred so we'll now go to the front of your main agenda and just work our way through uh the remaining items left on the agenda so item number one twenty twenty four zero six two seven is deferred at the request of council member diamond item two is deferred it's twenty twenty four zero nine six six at the request of council president carico item three is deferred at the request of council member carico that's twenty twenty five zero seven seven five item four twenty twenty six zero zero zero five um may get a motion on the amendment we have a motion second on the amendment um mr peterson would you please explain the amendment through the chair of the committee the amendment will reflect that additional notices were sent to two affected property owners um based on the timing of when the application was filed and then um the bill being introduced there was a change of two properties and so we'll reflect those notices and the revised results of the noticing whereby those notices went out they were there was a no response from those two uh new notices and so they're reflected as in the approval i will attach revise exhibit three which is the results to show those uh notices uh revise exhibit four uh which is the responses to remove the responses from the prior property owner and then show that the others too were re-noticed with their non-response approval place revised notices on file to reflect the additional noticing and then correct scrivers thank you no one in the queue all those in favor of the amendment please signify by saying yes all those opposed no the amendment passes i have a motion and second on the bill as amended no one in the queue please open the ballot and record your vote seven yes zero nays by your action you've approved twenty twenty six zero zero zero five as amended item number five twenty twenty six zero one four zero i have a motion second on the neighborhoods amendment um mr peterson would you please explain the neighborhood's amendment yes sir through the chair to the committee the neighborhood's amendment uh would revise the renaming to include only the portion of confederate street from market street to liberty street uh would include a waiver of code section seven four five one oh five h uh to authorize a partial street renaming rather than the entire length reflect that a second notice was sent to one entity that has property on the portion that was being proposed to be renamed uh attach the revised exhibit two which is the notice to include that second notice and then correct a ordinance code section reference okay thank you um we have two on the queue um past president sam on the amendment or on the bill okay please you're recognized thank you chair i voted against this amendment uh this morning in neighborhoods i appreciate uh council member boylan's effort to find a compromise to this but i'm just concerned about the just the elimination of history and by by changing the name on half the road i i feel certain at some point there'll be an effort to go ahead well let's go ahead and do the rest of it and i would rather leave it as it is so i'll be voting against the amendment and against the bill thank you thank you next to council member boylan please thank you mr chair i appreciate your comments councilman salem you know i have been on record historically supporting maintaining history even the issues with the monuments etc i was pretty much steadfast in my belief of having the whitewashing of our history i don't want to see that happen that being said i think this is a unique situation number one is a disjointed street uh so uh the point that i'm looking to see retained from hubbard to north market actually faces or is the front to springfield park which was formerly the confederate park from north market to liberty again not contiguous road separated away and it was really as my understand the request of a certain organization that was acquiring a building on that piece of property so maintaining a portion of it i think is the solomon approach to go and that's why i offered the amendment i encourage your support thank you next to vice president halen please thank you mr chair i was hoping the introducer would be here um i don't know if anyone from the jackson historic preservation commission is only because i had one quick question i'm the rose arbor in question is actually on the north side of springfield park just north of springfield park lake about as far away as confederate street as it can be um i'm wondering why they didn't or maybe they did um consider changing the name phelps street to rose arbor or orange street to the south much both much closer to the original orange uh rose arbor rather i understand you can't change main street but phelps is a disjointed segment too it it stops at market and then continues later and there's not that much on it so i'm wondering if they considered just changing phelps to rose arbor but i'm not sure if there's anyone here to ask so we'll have to pose that question to mr peluso if you're listening thanks and this also will be before tu i believe uh so there's one more one more opportunity to discuss this um we'll go next to past president white please yes for through the chair i just want to put on the record uh i had come in on the other committee health and safety and i was going to actually uh make a motion to withdraw the bill then i'm a big compromise guy so i heard mr bull and so i thought that would give me and i voted for that and i will think about that over the next couple days but i also like or understand what dr salem has said and i have fear of that also so i'm just putting on the record there don't know how vote tuesday i'll go ahead and support what i did public health and safety and now uh my dear friend vice president which always comes up with a better compromise usually that's something to look at also so anyway i just wanted to put that on the record where i am now and what might be in a different place tuesday night thank you next past president freeman you recognize uh thank you mr chair and through the charity council member white i would have uh fully supported that withdrawal had you put it forward um i do appreciate uh my colleague's compromise he always seems to be able to try to find ways to the smooth situations out but this is one of those scenarios uh and i'm gonna remain consistent and principled in it i oftentimes tell my mentees and i tell a lot of folks that i talk to i drive looking through my windshield not my rearview mirror we understand i don't fully understand why they're looking to make this change but the question that i always ask them is what's the name of our city and at what point do we stop and so i have committed myself that my time of serving on this council i'm going to stop every time i get a chance to and start having our kids look to move forward not forgetting the past learning from it but move forward so i'm not going to support changing a portion of it or changing all of it just on the principle of it's time for us to move forward as a city thank you thank you next council member amaro thank you mr chair i was going to try and answer council vice president howland's question while the bill has council member peluso's name on it the the request is not his the request is of the property owner and there's only one property owner on that block and the property owner is a non-profit that desires to have a mailing address that's compatible to the park and that's why they also requested uh the rose arbor which is part of the park uh to be the name change i supported the amendment this morning because it's it was a good place to land the plane if we like to use that cliche and keep the non-contiguous piece of confederate street remain the same in this portion in front of that one property owner to have what they desire a different name for a different mailing address and so that's that's that's just give you some historical context as to why the legislation is before us it's in jimmy's district that's why his name is on it but um and i'm going to support the amendment i did this morning and will continue to thank you next to uh council member gay please thank you mr chair um i concur with former council president uh freeman and dr salem and i like these suggestions that uh vice president howland has brought to the to the dais here um with with that you know i just once again uh uh we have to have history we we can't just uh erode it away you know i i look at my lineage as native american and and um yeah we we keep the statues up of custer but uh we know what happened to him and so i'm not worried about what names are out there that's just history and so i i won't be supporting this thank you thank you uh seeing no one no more speakers in the queue i'll just say i came into this today um leaning toward not um voting for it for the reasons many of you mentioned um however as i've tried to do throughout my time on the council try to find a way when there's a contentious issue to see if we all can be okay or at least most of us can be okay with the way forward i think council member boylan has offered that up uh vice president has offered some other possibilities of maybe getting us to that place as well i know the springfield preservation folks have have come my way i've i've i've done some projects that you all have approved for that neighborhood um voicing their support for this name change so i take all that in however for right now i like the compromise um however i'm i'm really curious what we're going to go over in tu and exploring these other road possibilities uh but for right now support the compromise um but i'm still open uh to more more input as we go forward so with with that um let's see we're we're on the amendment correct yeah um all those in favor i'm i'm gonna do it by raising hands so that i don't miss any voices um all those in favor of the neighborhood's amendment please signify by raising your hand all those opposed the same okay we have four to three by my count is that right uh that the amendment passes um looking for a motion a motion second on the bill is amended anyone in the queue no please open the ballot and record your vote four yeas three nays by our action you've approved 2026-0140 as amended in neighborhoods so we'll next go to the following page we've already taken up item six item seven twenty twenty six zero one eight seven is being deferred the request of council member amaro item number eight twenty twenty six zero one nine one was already taken up item number nine twenty twenty six zero one nine two as we talked about is being deferred item 10 was taken up item 11 is being deferred item 12 we've taken up we go to page number seven item number 13 was addressed and item 14 is deferred individuals not able to make it we move on to item number 15 which was discussed by council member lanon on second read 20 26 0 2 1 3 item 16 20 26 0 2 2 0 is also on second read and item number 17 20 26 0 2 2 1 is on second read however i wanted to um give mr dennis the opportunity to address the opportunity to address before we take this up on the following uh committee meeting there's a question on whether this individual has a substantial business or philanthropic contribution and um and there's a waiver required and so i wanted to give him an opportunity to speak to that at this point through the chair to the committee um uh the administration is asking for a waiver for shannon nasworth uh shannon nasworth uh just retired as the c president ceo of ability housing she lives in st john's county um and uh we're we are uh the legislation is for her to serve on the jacksonville housing finance authority um we feel that uh her long history of being the president ceo 22 years of ability housing um she has uh under her leadership uh there's been like 300 million dollars in capital financing for affordable and supportive housing um she's created over 19 000 units not just in north florida but throughout the uh throughout the state uh prior to her becoming the president ceo of uh ability housing uh she served as associate uh executive director of habitat for humanity jack's beaches and also the cfo of the of habitat of humanity uh jacksonville again uh the administration feels with her uh long history and uh development of affordable housing here and uh here in north florida in jacksonville that uh a waiver uh we're asking for the council to uh waive the out of county rule for her to serve on the jacksonville housing finance authority thank you all right thank you mr dennis we have past president freeman in the queue uh thank you mr chair uh to the body or maybe to our attorneys um a question came to my mind when as a liaison on kha one of the board members asked about the former ceo going and working for um one of the vendors that applies for grants at kha and asked if there were if there was an ethics process that they needed to go through um and that board members said that when they were once a city worker and then they transitioned into the private sector they had to go before ethics and so i asked this question is there any conflict if you served in the body as a as a vendor and now you're sitting in a seat of judgment and determining who gets it um do we have any kind of protocol for ethics on that and has it been run through ethics and through our attorneys to see if there's a potential conflict and i want to say i am a fan of of miss nassworth met with them they do amazing work and so this is not an indictment on her resume i'm just asking about the uh potential of conflict through the chair to councilmember freeman i defer to the bill sponsor as to whether or not they ran this through ethics or if they ran it through ogc i have not had any part in that uh through the chair to uh to councilman freeman uh we have all of our appointees have they go through a self-assessment uh uh you know where they uh uh basically share if they have any you know uh doing any business or anything like that uh with the city um and so uh just like every piece of legislation uh it was uh drafted um and looked at by uh ogc um and with the ordinance uh she wasn't uh she wasn't on the inside awarding uh contracts because there is a prohibition you cannot uh be at the seat of awarding contracts and then go and work for the agency in which you awarded uh a contract and i'm not exactly sure if you were on the council uh during that time and it was at that time it was called the mussel rule uh that's there uh because when he left uh the mayor's office he went and worked for the jaguars and the and the council moved very quickly and uh instituted the the mussel rule and uh just like you mentioned the kha and so what the that former kha ceo did went before ethics uh or i think the committee i think uh councilman miller was on it and you all vetted that and gave her a waiver so um this is kind of the opposite where someone used to be over an agency um and you know with all of her background i mean she's duly qualified she retired uh and and and so we again asked her to uh to serve on the jackson housing finance authority and let me say this you know they're not the final say so of awarding um uh monies uh you know they do over they do have oversight uh but it is the state that actually um uh that that grants those dollars thank you thank you so much for that um explanation and i guess to the chair your name was mentioned as a vetter or someone who's vetted uh scenarios like this before why would this not be a similar scenario um i think what he was talking about was um employment you know post-employment and that was what you were referring to for the kha uh ceo and had to come before that post-employment um commission to be able to consider that request as an exception okay i mean i'm i have no problem with her expertise i just want to make sure from my seat that i'm asking the question at least is there any potential conflict or rub uh and then what levels of oversight or accountability that we put in place to ensure that we did ask the questions that we vetted it and i think we've had the conversation so if there is something that comes up then he just said that they self-report or self-assess and he just said that the attorneys wrote it and they've done their due diligence so this will be one of those moments of trust so thank you thank you we'll go next to past president salem please thank you chair i would be very supportive of a waiver i think shannon nasworth in my experience on the council is one of the most reasonable people that i have found in the housing space she's practical uh she's not a far lefty by any means she tries to do the right thing and uh mr dennis i would be very supportive of a waiver i don't know if this committee needs to vote on it if so i i will make a motion to do that um please advise how we should move forward she's terrific and uh she retired for ability housing happens to live in saint john's county has tremendous experience in duval and i think would be a great addition thank you i think it's a good time to go to ms shell because she can lay the groundwork for that uh for us thank you sure thank you through the chair to the committee i just want to point out this legislation was written with one waiver of chapter 52 because there's a specific requirement for this board that they reside in duval county once you waive that it falls back on chapter 50 which says they can qualify based on maintaining a substantial economic business interest or substantial philanthropic interest the keyword being maintained so what i heard from mr dennis is in the past up until last year she's had a substantial economic business or philanthropic interest but if she doesn't currently have that that will also that waiver will need to be added as well just so you know um and we can amend the legislation next cycle when we actually take this up this is on second reading today but it will require from from what i've heard today it will require a second waiver come come back to past president uh salem for a follow-up yeah i don't know if we need to take a vote but i would be supportive of a a double waiver it sounds like for her um she may have some philanthropic interest in duval county she may be donating money to to some entity i have no idea but but do think she'd be a great addition um to this board which uh um i think needs people like her frankly that's president freeman please uh thank you mr chair and and through the chair to to the body let's be clear this is not an indictment on miss nasworth's ability this is not an indictment on do i think she'd be a great board member this is a questioning of our process and so and making sure and so now what i think i just heard through the chair to michelle is it reverts back to uh the waiver is that the same one as we had with d i know dia has their own little special piece and i just want to make sure that i'm staying consistent because i voted against a very well qualified individual because i just said we have people in duval county who can do the same thing and i didn't like the message i was sending to duval county residents in that scenario and then i think we might have done some modification to legislation that kind of frees people like myself up principled individuals up to say okay i don't have to be the one that's being the bad guy and voting against are you saying that that's what this falls into the next waiver through the chair through the chair to council member freeman this is a similar scenario um dia like jhfa had a requirement specifically that you had to be a resident of duval county so to get that board member on as you recall we had to waive that and we and then she qualified based on substantial um business interest in duval county and later on that was um that ordinance code was amended later but um in this case you're going to need two waivers because she doesn't qualify under either because she doesn't i would say she does not maintain or currently have a substantial economic business or philanthropic interest so once so through the chair to michelle we're setting a precedent right here with this particular nominee is that what i'm hearing through the chair to council member freeman i would say you're making a policy call and a decision on on whether you feel compelled to waive these two code sections to appoint this person to this board i need to ask the question better through the chair to michelle or through mr peterson will this be the first time that we have voted for someone like this and i know that that's a tough question to answer it's on second reading so we have time but if we ever if we're doing first i always like to know what could potentially follow behind it and so again that's why i said this was just a process thing i know miss nasworth i've done tours of their sites well before i came on the council a board of housing is is a hot spot for me i love it but process matters and so i just want to make sure as a rules committee member i'm asking the questions that maybe are not popular but i think it will put us in the right posture when we make our final decision thank you thank you i just have one more question for michelle we've we've done the discussion debate of that of that important area that you've said would require a waiver um given it's on second read do we need a a call a decision made at this point or have we done our due due diligence uh required at this point to the chair i would say you've done what you need to do at this point and when this appears on the agenda at the next rules committee meeting um we'll mark it accordingly with the additional waivers that that need to be added okay thank you very much so i think we can move on great discussion um and i and i love the exploration of the qualification versus the process and and making sure you know what's important to us is a is addressed as individuals and as a a body here so we will we will take this up further at the next meeting so moving on to item number 18 20 26 0 2 2 3 is on second read item 19 20 26 0 2 2 7 is on second read and item number 20 20 26 0 2 2 8 looking for a motion we have a motion second um i'd like to be added as a co-sponsor please no one in the queue please open the ballot and record your vote seven yays zero nays by your action you've approved 20 26 0 2 2 2 8 item 21 20 26 0 2 3 0 is on second read item 22 20 26 0 2 3 1 is on second read and item 23 20 26 0 2 3 3 we have a motion and second on the bill i see no one in the queue please open the ballot and record your vote seven yays zero nays by your action you've approved 20 26 0 2 3 3 item number 24 20 26 0 2 3 4 we have a motion second on the bill no one in the queue please open the ballot record your vote seven yays zero nays by your action you've approved 20 26 0 2 3 4 item 25 20 26 0 2 3 5 we have a motion second on On the bill, no one in the queue. Please open the ballot and record your vote. Seven yays, zero nays. By reaction, you've approved 2026-0235. Item number 26, 2026-0236 is on second read. Item 27, 2026-0237 is also on second read. We go to page 11, item 28, 2026-0238. We have a motion and second on the bill. No one in the queue. Please open the ballot and record your vote. Seven yays, zero nays. By reaction, you've approved 2026-0238. Before we start this next section, I'd like to recognize Council Member Gay as something he'd like to share. Thank you, Mr. Chair. As we are coming up on these appointments to this Eastside Board on these grants, hearing what the community is saying, I think I'd like to see us step back and pause this and let's get some community input of their thoughts on these candidates that's coming before us. So we're not circumventing the spirit of what we approved for the opioid model. And so as we, this is in second and it'll be coming back to us, I think we need to either defer it and re-look at this and to make sure we get the right people in the position that will benefit the community's interest as well as the council and the city's interest. So I just kind of, I want to put that out as a look ahead because that's what I'm going to be looking for as we go to make these decisions to where I really want the community support on these candidates. So thank you. Thank you. Next is Council Member Boylan. Please, you recognize. Thank you, Mr. Chair. And I'm kind of along the same lines as Council Member Gay, but my suggestion is a little bit different. We've got, what, four recommendations by the mayor's office and four by the council president. I would love to hear from Mr. Dennis as to how and why the criteria they used to pick the four they picked. And I also would like to hear from the council president to understand the how and why of whom he has put forward for nominations. I think it's only fair to them to give them a voice in this process. I've already spoken to a couple of them and to the point of people in the chambers who spoke earlier, they seem like good people who have an active interest in doing this work. So I'd love to know how discriminating both the president of the council and the mayor were in choosing those folks and the criteria they chose them for. I'm not suggesting a conversation today, but I think if we take them up next time, we first of all hear from the council president and from the mayor's office as to why they chose these four to put forward on their respective balances. Thank you. We'll go next to past president Freeman, please. You're recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chair. And I was looking as well. And I think that's a fair question, Councilman Boylan. I do think that's a very fair question to ask. I'm glad that Councilman McGee spoke up because I didn't want to be the bad guy again. It seems like this is you guys get, I don't know, it's my first bite of the apple with this and I don't get many of them. And some say that time is not long for here. But hearing the citizens come up and talk and a year ago doing volunteer work out east and having someone personally come up and give me a very heartfelt, passionate concern before it ever got to this part has really caught my attention. So I'm looking forward to however this body wants to address it moving forward. But I do think hitting the brakes not only just for the mayor but for the council as well and get a better understanding of the process will be in the best interest of it. So thank you. Thank you. Pastor President Salem, please. Thank you, Chair. I served as vice chair of the CBA committee and I, were you on it, Council Member Gay? Okay. I'm not sure anybody else here was on it other than, oh, Council, yeah. And we worked very hard and I really pushed the opioid model which eventually got adopted and there was a sigh of relief when we got the opioid model from my standpoint because it was like pulling teeth at times. And I think there were eight appointments to this and the Jaguars have one for a total of nine. My hope was at that point because there are two groups involved in this process that the mayor's office and President Carrico would be aware of that and maybe pick two people from each group so there'd be four and four and I think that would be a fair way of trying to get the thing started. I think right now from what I'm hearing and I have met with some of these people I think as you have, it's like a 6-2 right now and I don't know who appointed those six. I think the mayor has four of that six all from the LISC, Jax, contingent of the two factions. Council Member Dennis, I'm just, just for the sake of discussion. So, and I, when the other group has come to me and what should we do? I said, I don't know if we can change those but you can doggone sure, attend the meetings, be vocal, be aware and be there as decisions are made. You can always ask for appointments to be changed and maybe that can occur but I would like to see a situation where it was four and four, frankly. I think that would be a fairer way of doing it and get the committee started in the right way but I don't make the appointments. Two people make the appointments, the mayor and the president. So, I'll leave it at that. Thank you. Anyone else? Okay. Mr. Dennis, anything to add? I know you gave a thumbs up when that recommendation was made. I just, I don't want to leave that hanging and give you an opportunity here. Through the chair and to the committee, I guess Councilman Bolin, the administration would be more than happy to, I guess at the next meeting or whenever you see fit to share how we vetted and things like that and what was our parameters of landing on the four people that was introduced. Thank you. I will say, well, okay, we have someone else in the queue so I'll try to stay last here. Councilmember Amaro, you're recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I look forward to hearing what's, how the process was done. It is four and four, four from the council president, four from the administration. Some of the individuals are well-known public servants. I, you know, they've been vilified without, in my opinion, without just cause. But we'll see what happens when we hear how the process went. Thank you. I think, if I have that correct, I think Pastor President Salem wasn't meaning four and four from, four from the mayor, four from city council president. I think he was referring to the two subgroups, if you will, of Eastside and the appointees from those groups. I will just say I've done a similar thing and just recommending to Mr. Machen and others, just make your voices heard. Please make sure you're meeting with key people in the administration and voicing your concerns and letting us know. I've brought up at least one individual to the administration. I'm applying the criteria that was established. And when I don't see that, then I question and say, is there something more that I didn't see? And Mr. Dennis and I have had one of those exchanges already on one of the nominees. I would recommend to all of us we do that and to make sure we get this right. And so I'm open to other possibilities, but I like the idea of being able to hear from the administration as well as from our leadership on council, how they looked at this and how they applied the criteria because the criteria is pretty, I think, well spelled out, but are we applying that criteria? That's what I believe is important. So I'm going to leave it there for now. I'm going to continue on, but I thought that was a good opportunity for us to have that kind of discussion and make sure you folks that are right here and the ones that weren't able to be here, we hear you. We hear you. We're not dismissing it at all and we want to get this right as much as you want to get this right. Thank you very much. So item number 29, 2026-0239 is on second read. Item 30, 2026-0240 second read. Item 31, 2026-0241 is on second. 32, 2026-0242 is on second. Also 2026-0243 second. Next page, 2026-0244 is on second read. 2026-0245 is on second read. And item 36, 2026-0246, I have a motion and a second on the bill. Anyone in the queue? See, I would like to be added as a co-sponsor. Anybody, if you haven't read about Ms. Coleman, what an amazing story, history here. So I would just recommend you do so if you have the time. But yeah, I'd like to be a co-sponsor. We have no one else in the queue or no one in the queue. Please open the ballot and record your vote. Seven yays, zero nays. By reaction, you've approved 2026-0246. Item 37, 2026-0247 is on second read. Item 38, 2026-0250 is on second read. Going to page 13, item 39, 2026-0251 is on second read. Item 40, 2026-0252 is on second read. And item 41, 2026-0253, looking for a motion. We have a motion and second on the bill. No one in the queue. Please open the ballot and record your vote. And me as well, given I'm liaison, I better be on that. Thank you very much. Seven yays, zero nays. By reaction, you've approved 2026-0253. Item 42, 2026-0254 is on second read. Item 43, 2026-0255 second read. Also, item 44, 2026-0256 second read. And item 45, 2026-0257 is on second read. Anything else by anyone, any comments before we close out? Thank you all for being here. Appreciate serving with you all. We are adjourned.