We do want to see what I'm going to do. I'm not pretty potential. What's that? Do you want to tell me how it's nice to you? No. You got work to do. Don't mind all these people over here. They're just, they're working remote. I'm going to post this on Twitter. Notice the meeting and see what people say. No, everyone's going to steal my idea now. I'm going to notice the meeting because John's here. All right. Yeah. Yeah. All right. No, I just wanted to call the meeting to order. I just wanted to have a meeting, right? In just a casual sense and say, I'm obviously on a path of leadership. I want to hopefully get there. But not only that, I just want to know what everyone's priorities are. Sure. And I think everyone's got a lot of good ideas, good priorities. And my view is council leadership should be helping everyone accomplish their priorities. And I know I said that in my letter, but it's different to say it in a letter than. Sure. And actually sit down with someone you serve with and say, what are your short-term and long-term things? Well, the focus for me right now in the last year of my council, I don't know what, you know, whatever council president-elect, if you will, how one asks for me, certainly I'll do. And as you know, I've had lots of experience on leadership and chairing and special committees and the like. And I've got a, my big focus right now going for this year is the development of our version of it as far as San Francisco Preservations. The Mandarin's? Yeah. Okay. I've got half associates we've been retained and we're working and putting together a very comprehensive, it's called MAP, Mandarin Area Preservation Project. Are y'all doing a neighborhood action plan? We're going to be working on creating, to see if we go on, if we have the capacity and the interest on the part of the community as a whole to stand up an organization like San Marco. Right. To say, for, like everything else, preservation, restoration, and beautification. Mm-hmm. The challenge is it's a big district like yours and diverse districts like yours. San Marco is focused on a particular area. Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking at some areas larger. Okay. I'm looking big. I'm looking bigger. Would there be an overlay type of? There is, there are certain, a couple overlays already in there. It really is to see how can we get the community to come together and speak as one voice. Yeah. And so when we have zoning issues. That's really critical. Yeah. We don't have, we're going to see some infill. I mean, the townhome development happens off the lake sticking it as a sore thumb. But I don't think we're going to see a lot of that kind of development in Mandarin going forward. But at the same time, I don't want to see it devolve into a, I don't want to take aspersions at Arlington or others to say I want to make sure it maintains its quality and character. And when we say preservation, it's really about preserving the character and the quality of the neighborhoods and the thoroughfares in that area. That's what we're focusing on. So that's going to be a lot of my focus. You're on, are you on, are you on the Doge Committee? No. Doge Committee has been getting some emails from some of my constituents about the Mandarin Cywong Project, which is a whole other story. Oh, right, right, right. It's still going on. Yeah, I guess I've afforded those. Yeah, I'd be glad. But, no, essentially that. I do appreciate, although I think it was a little skewed this year in terms of the Kevin's Council of Congress and Carrico decision, kind of, people are, it's fine. I have to say it was a little, maybe, I don't know, we can speak to this if you want, his decision to put you as chair of finance chair. Is there a rush to judgment here in terms of getting you into a leadership position? And who's making that decision? Is that just you or others? I don't know. All I'll say to that is I had absolutely zero interest in doing that. I didn't angle for that at all. I got a phone call out of the blue from Kevin, and he said, hey, Roll's stepping down. And I said, what? Well, it would stand to reason why he wouldn't just turn to the vice chair and say, hey, why don't you do this? I told, that was my recommendation. I said, I don't, I'll do whatever you ask, but I'm, why, call Nick. So just call Nick and ask him. And ultimately, I guess he called Nick, and that was their, that was their conversation. But, well, the optics of the whole thing, you know, rushing over to Dallahassee, getting you into two chairmanships, trying to, clearly there's an initiative on the part of somebody to push you forward. And I just, I don't know how much you've imparted to that. No, I think, I know what you're saying. Yeah. And I can speak to that's not the case. The case is, I believe in myself a lot, and I believe that despite whether being a LUZ chair and a finance chair, I just felt like I was ready to, I came in office, I was originally told, you can't do that. And I didn't really question it at the time. I just took it at face value. Right. I said, okay, whatever. I'm not interested in it either way. I mean, I was two months in. I didn't have any thought process in that. So then, you know, I think Raul was running and angling for that. And it was, I don't want to say short-lived, but that fizzled out due to some events that we all saw in the news. And then I didn't really think anything of it as far as like, oh, he's out, now I'm in. And it was more of a, people approached me and said, oh, and not the people you think, and said, well, why don't you just do it? And they said, well, I can't because you did this, that, and the other. And we started peeling back the onion, and it was, this doesn't make any sense. There's nothing black and white there. What's that? There's nothing black and white about it. What do you mean? In terms of, it's not in concrete. There's no rule that says you can't do this. Well, it was more of like it had already been done, and I feel like why all of a sudden did they say I can't do it when it's already been done with family members in the state legislature and the city council? And shame on me for just like never questioning it and really digging in and asking for a legitimate opinion. It was just, it was more of a cautionary, like, hey, I don't know if they said you can't do this or you shouldn't do this. I don't remember, but it was kind of ingrained in my head, like, no, it's not a thing, not an option. But then as it sort of unfolded, and I actually looked at the statute, and it was related to employment of a relative, I just said, I don't, I don't agree with that. Yeah. I don't agree that this is a fair restriction on me, and not only me, but this is a restriction statewide, and I just, I'm willing to go and see what they say. And it was argued, and it was kind of the course that got started. That's fair enough, that's fair enough. I do appreciate your recognizing where I'm coming from on that. No, I appreciate you asking. Yeah, it's, it doesn't, in the scheme of things right now, the way the world is playing, optics is everything. I understand that. It actually works against you, not for you, in some respects, in terms of how it's being perceived, or can be perceived. Yeah. In that regard. So, but let's get away from that. That's a challenge that you have to go overcome in terms of this process. So, obviously, with the tradition of the Vice President becoming President, and I'm not going to be around for that year. Sure. But, in the context of where Nick likely will be taking us, I think he, I'm not judging Kevin at all through this process, but I think, I'm hopeful that Nick takes us in a different direction in terms of more diverse. I think we're seeing that, and I think that's the writing on the wall, and that's a sentiment amongst a lot of our colleagues. It's a little frustrating when you see, when you have five special committees created during the course of the year, and with all due respect, Councilman Salem is chair of two, and vice chair of two. And there are, some of us are on none of those committees. Right. And so, it's clear that there is, and that's part and parcel to the conversation, you know, what are we doing here? Is this about moving the city forward, or moving people's agendas forward? Right. So, I'll leave that there. But, with respect to how do you see this year as vice president, and helping him transition to that, and then maybe completing the work that he starts the year after? Obviously, you're going to have a whole new set of colleagues to educate. And maybe it's just me being kind of old school, but in part and parcel to my attendance bill that I get so much attention. You know, when you're here long enough, and your dad can do this whole lot better than I can, you see a change in the culture, and I think that was just a vain attempt at trying to say, hey, look, you know, we've got responsibility to work and serve our constituents first in this process. So, help me understand how you see your role as vice president, and how you can take, hopefully, what he's doing and move it to the next level with a whole new set of colleagues. Who's doing? Nick, or? Assuming Nick finds a way in my conversations, or we've heard from him saying in our meetings, that, you know, he understands that we've got to become more collegial in the work that we do together. And involve everybody in the conversation process. Right. And then, I think, frankly, more balanced than the committees. Yeah, I think it's a couple of easy things. It's, like you just said, I have no, having balanced committees doesn't scare me at all. Yeah. That doesn't bother me at all. In fact, if you look at the downtown special committee that I chair, it is balanced, and it was, that was my push to Kevin. I said, I want Council Member Peluso. I want Council Member McCarlucci, and Ron, and Raul, whoever. Because that's, those are opposites. And I can sit in the middle and get everyone on the same page here. But I enjoy that. I like that. It doesn't bother me. So, that's just, first and foremost, number one, kind of an easy thing. I think it's an easy thing to do. Not succumbing to political pressure. Full awareness of, we're in that right now. Yes. And I think, I'm tired of getting texts about it. I'm tired of seeing our, it just seems unnecessary. It seems like a lot of it is just back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Cloudy. We don't know who's doing this. We don't know who's saying. It's just, I'm tired of it. And I don't know that I would have put together a special investigative committee. I think that was a little bit of a jumping the gun. That's a good point. Like, sometimes you have to do some more homework up front to say, is it warranted? And I think that you're right. I think you did jump the gun on that one. That was a very quick trigger pull. And are we getting good information? I think we're getting some good information. But, like, I don't know that that information wouldn't have otherwise surfaced. But it's those types of things. And I have a pretty good read on just colleagues and our sentiment around here. And I want it to kind of be like our first year and our second year. And that was maybe the honeymoon years. And you've probably seen it happen twice now. But those were really fun years for me. And we've kind of gotten away from that. And I miss that. And I want that back. Interesting that you say that. Because when I came in my first year, you know, the mayor got reelected. There was a strong council. You know, you just fitted the machine. When we started all over. You got a brand new mayor. And you got a majority. I had, yeah. I had, like, brand new everything, I guess. You knew everybody. It's just like, it took us a long time to get out and keep any kind of decent stride. I think we got there to some extent. But I think we've impacted that a lot since. Yeah. And by the way, I thank you for putting yourself forward. Yes, sir. You know, one of my greatest frustrations over the last five years. I saw it. It was a done deal even before the first notice meeting was happening. Right. And that's not how it's supposed to work. Yeah. And win or lose, and I mentioned to Kevin yesterday, you know what, Kevin? I don't feel so bad about the fact that you beat me for vice president two years ago. Because it is a demanding job. And you've got to get a lot of time and attention to it. But putting yourself forward in a year where there's a lot of interest in serving that capacity, you could just easily duck it. Your time will come if it doesn't come this time. Sure. It's inevitable. I probably believe the leadership you've already shown. Thank you. So we'll see how that plays. But anyway. No. I appreciate that. And so really, I just wanted to hear. So what, like, if there's one thing when you're off council in two years or whenever, what's, like, the one priority or one thing that you're going to, if you don't get it done when you're here, you just want to make sure, like, that gets across the finish line? Well, you know, obviously, I was really proud of the work we did in the CQLI. And you picked up, and you picked up the government on some of that, on the homelessness issue, affordable housing, access to health care. The administration did as well. Mm-hmm. And you picked up on all that work. I hope that continues. It's going to be difficult, obviously, with budget being what they are in the future years. I think that's going to be a problem. You know, I look at that. I look at the JSO primary facilities, the thing I led. Even Article 21 of the JEA. Those are the legacy pieces. I'd like to see them, you know, stay intact if possible. I have a hard time thinking an elected JEA board is a good idea. I really don't know where that's coming from. When does that, what is, does that get pitched recently? Well, apparently Rory popped something on somewhere about it, and then AG picked up on it. He did an article on it. AG Hankarski? Yeah. Is that new or something? Apparently, yeah. It came out just yesterday or so. Anyway, I just, I don't know if that's a good idea. Because, you know. Sorry, I'm like, I'm just now hearing this, I'm like. We rewrote Article 21, and we did the best that we could to raise the bar in terms of board. Because, you know, you've got to have people on there who are smart enough to be able to read between the lines. And not only the budget she's doing, but it's a very strong board. It's a liaison for four years, I saw it. But those guys that are on the board now, like, they're not going to run for office. You know what I mean? You're not going to get the same Calgary people on there that you have right now or in the future. But difficult. But I'm sure we'll see a resolution to put it on the ballot. It would require a charter change, so we're not going to do that at the council level. You might see a resolution. But anyway, to answer your question, to see those, what I would characterize as those three legacy things, or to say they're still in place after my time on council. Here the focus is going to be on the district and supporting whatever role I can play. I've demonstrated, as you know, a pretty good model of how to put together special committees, how to operate them, how to get results. Yes. If that's a tool, I can, and Ron was kind enough to give me, I didn't, he's talking about lying, the JSL one was a hot potato for sure. Yeah. But anyway, we'll see what we're doing. You're masterful of them. So, well, that was all. All right.