All right, I think we're ready to get started. I'm going to call to order the meeting of this notice meeting with respect to the e-bike legislation we're proposing. I invite my colleagues to introduce themselves. Ken Amarov, City Council, District 1. Ron Salem, Group 2 at large. And I thank all those who participated in this conversation and those who are here. And Mr. Councilmember Peluso is joining us, if you can grab a copy of that. That's okay. We know who you are. I did, just by way of background, this bill was something I've been talking about since October of last year. Constituent, and in many of my bills, my last bill on invasive species was initiated by concern raised by a constituent. And so I think you need to be responsive when there are specific actions and concerns raised. And during the course of time, since October, we've seen quite a number of folks speaking to this issue of e-bike safety. And so we kind of put a pause on it. I started to work with Milo, Corey, Corey Milo here. I mean, I keep wanting to make him Milo, Corey. I like it better, but Corey Milo is fine. The Office of General Counsel. And so we did a lot. And I let him speak a little bit to the homework we did. We took a look at other legislation around the state and as well as whatever is available through the Florida statute and how that played out. We put a pause on it when the state legislature, Senate Bill 382, I believe it was, was introduced and then ultimately vetoed by the governor for concern of over-enforcement. And apparently there was supposed to be a statewide documentation issues that seemed to be a little bit onerous for him to accept. So with that veto, we picked up our pace in terms of introducing this bill. And as we pushed it out there, I was pleasantly surprised by the amount of active interest in this conversation. So from there, the bill was drafted. We received from Ms. Lauren over here a beautiful e-mail report letter lining out some suggestions from the bike walk folks. And then we reached out to Matt Fall and the planning department in terms of their comments. So we see here an evolving bill. So last week, after multiple iterations, in our last conversation with Helena Parola and Matt Fall, the current iteration you see before you is what is proposed at this point in time. It may ultimately be a substitute because it's a far cry from what we initially had introduced or developed. From there, I met with JSO Chief Stranco and Commander Damone last week, and we'll get to their concerns here. Largely, for the most part, the bill, as per their understanding, is a duplication of existing Florida statutes. But that being said, it's not uncommon for us to have local bills that mirror Florida statutes. So I don't have any pain with that, and I think it's fine. And if nothing else, through this process, if we're able to make families, parents, guardians, children aware of their responsibility as a, you know, in terms of e-bike safety, I will feel that we've accomplished what we needed to do. So what I thought we would do today is to invite, I'm going to invite Corey here to take a few minutes to walk you through the bill. We'll look for his additional comments, and then I'll talk a little bit about what JSO's concerns are and my thoughts on what we may do to make sure that this bill is acceptable to my colleagues as we move it forward. Before we even dive in, I'd just ask about one definition. Thank you, Chair. Thank you for hosting this meeting. So I see, obviously, a lot of electric bikes. What about electric scooters? Well, you know, there was a lot of conversation about do we want to broaden this? I want to stay singular in this process to make sure it gets done. We can certainly come back and deal with those, maybe use this as a template to say, what do we do? How does this parallel with other personal mobility vehicles? I mean, I just feel like they're so similar. Well, I get it, but I want to get this done first. And we can talk about that when we get to that conversation. Okay. Let me back up a second. An electric bike is a regular bike that's got this kind of power to it. Correct. Scooter being smaller type device. Absolutely. So it's not exactly similar. Yeah. Okay. So your legislation addresses electric bikes. Strictly pedaling and not pedaling e-bikes. Correct. You can peddle them, but you can get extra power if you hit a switcher. Correct. Correct. Okay. Do we have, Council Member Boylan, any statistics on injuries, fatalities, et cetera? Well, obviously it's not significant at this point in time, but we are seeing is a significant increase percentage-wise as to the number of occurrences that are happening. So what we're trying to do is to minimize those incidents going forward through this legislation. Through the chair, I just want to point out, we had this conversation just a few seconds ago, that scooters have now been moved on to the jurisprudence of the public parking division. So I think whatever enforcement for scooters is under public parking right now, to the best of my recollection. And I think it's kind of restricted because most of them are being utilized within the urban core, and there were plans to expand into other areas like Arlington and things like that. And if I remember correctly, I think we moved that under public parking. So I just want to share that. Sorry, Chair. Go ahead. That's part of my concern is that a lot of these companies use both scooters and bikes. So it's odd that we are putting more enforcement on one device when you could rent either of them. And that just is interesting to me. And obviously my district has a lot of old neighborhoods where a ton of scooter people, kids are on scooters. And so I would like to kind of do one bill, but if that's not what the – I assume you have a good reason. You never not. So I trust you. Thank you. I appreciate that. You know, certainly that's part of the conversation. If the body as a whole likes the idea of broadening the scope of this – I was just trying to stay singular because that's where the focus has been, particularly amongst my constituents. But then I'm going to turn over to Corey to kind of walk us through the bill, in addition to which pointing out where Florida statutes already speak to this issue. Thank you, Councilman Boylan. Good morning. My name is Corey Milo. I'm with the Office of General Counsel. And I echo what the council member just said. We certainly don't want to discourage e-bike usage in this ordinance. We just wanted to set up an ordinance that established reasonable rules for e-bike users, pedestrians, motorists, to know kind of what the rules and the guidelines are and to operate in harmony with one another. So we also didn't write this in a vacuum. We looked at other ordinances from other jurisdictions, including Palm Coast, Ferrandina Beach, Atlantic Beach, and several other jurisdictions, as well as Florida statute. So the first thing we did is establish definitions. And most of the definition section, if not all, we got from definitions that are in the Jacksonville Ordinance Code already, as well as Florida statutes. One of the things that we have proposed, and I know Council Member Boylan spoke of this. We got a wonderful list of suggestions from Bike Walk Jacksonville. They pointed out that, you know, obviously Jacksonville has many shared use, multi-use paths, the Emerald Trail, et cetera. We really, in the original ordinance, didn't address that. So we have proposed in the amendment a definition of shared use path, and I think that that strengthens the ordinance a great deal. So going on to the actual regulations in the ordinance, the first is electric bicycles may be operated on bicycle lanes, bicycle paths, bike walks, right-of-way, roadways, shared use paths, and sidewalks. And then it talks about regulations regarding those areas, and specifically with regard to sidewalks and shared use paths. Being that, you know, electric bicycles and pedestrians might interact more frequently, the regulations are a little more stringent. And one of the things that we did is we're proposing a speed limit not to exceed 10 miles per hour. And I will say that that is not in the Florida statutes. And one of the things that maybe – I'm not going to say it conflicts because it doesn't. But the Florida statute doesn't put a speed restriction with regard to sidewalks and shared use paths. And this ordinance does limit 10 miles per hour. And we thought that that was a reasonable speed that presents a good cap where electric bicycles can still power their vehicles sufficiently and still keep the public, other pedestrians, safe. They're also to yield to the right-of-way to pedestrians. That is consistent with Florida statutes, as well as provide an audible signal when passing pedestrians in those areas. Again, consistent with Florida statutes. And the next thing that we addressed is the operation not only on sidewalks and shared use paths, but also in the other areas. Again, the bicycle lanes, the bicycle paths, the bikeways, the right-of-ways, the roadways. And it's very, very simple. You have to operate in a manner that is reasonable. It can't be reckless. And we included some definitions, some suggestions. Obviously, weaving through traffic, not permissible. Failing to yield to pedestrians when required, not permissible. In our amendment, we also included other definitions and suggestions, again, to maybe strengthen it. Unsafe passing, operating contrary to posted operational restrictions, performing stunts or maneuvers that reduce rider control. All of these things very much consistent with Florida statutes. One of the other regulations that we included is that no person under 11 years of age may operate an electric bicycle. That is, again, not in Florida statutes. But we did feel that this was a reasonable age and that, quite frankly, no one under 11 years of age should operate an electric bicycle. We also put in there, passengers are prohibited on electric bicycles unless the electric bicycle is specifically equipped with a designated passenger seat. Again, consistent with Florida statutes. An operator under the age of 16 must wear a helmet, consistent with Florida statutes. Electric bicycle shall display a label which contains its classification number. Topicest is speed and motor wattage, consistent with Florida statutes. Electric bicycle shall not be modified to allow for a higher speed than what is designated by the manufacturer sticker, consistent with Florida statutes. And we also included a provision that they must contain proper lighting, again, consistent with Florida statutes. With regard to moving on to the enforcement section, currently, we're making it a violation. It would include and constitute a Class C offense. And we also included a provision, no parent or guardian of a minor child shall authorize or knowingly permit the minor child to violate a provision of this part. We thought that that was a very important part that is consistent with Florida statutes. But we need to hold parents accountable, you know, and make sure that they oversee their children when operating electric bicycles. Chair, can we interject and ask some questions on that? Sure. Yeah, I'm just, 11 does seem like an interesting age. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I would like to hear from some of the folks in the bike pedestrian world to kind of get their impression on it. And it's just saying it's a straight up, if you're under the age of 11, you shouldn't be on them. Yeah. And that's both a rented one and or one that's owned by the family. I'm just, so where did 11 come from? Well, I'll let you speak to that. Again, it wasn't in a vacuum. It was somewhat arbitrary in some respects. It wasn't in a vacuum. Some jurisdictions have 16. I think Palm Coast had 11. I may have stolen it from them, quite frankly. I'm not sure what Fernandina Beach has, but, you know, I was seeing anywhere between 16 and 11, quite frankly. And it's an issue we're going to talk about in a couple of minutes because there are two specifically with JSO can't support this bill. That's one of them is the age limitation, and we'll talk about that momentarily because I want to make sure they cannot support the bill with that age limitation built into it. I'm going to ask that question. Yeah, and we'll talk about that a little bit more in detail in a couple of minutes because I do want to make sure we're successful in getting this bill executed. And I suspect we're going to have some challenges if it doesn't have the support of JSO in that process, and we'll talk about that momentarily. I wanted to circle back quickly to a question that Councilman Salem asked, which, with respect to incidents, I have personally reviewed three of late. Number one, my wife and I and my two grandchildren driving down Brady Road, a young man on an e-bike, lost control of the bike, went off the road into a ditch, and is, I won't say severely injured himself. It's only had some significant cuts in his legs. I had to load the bike into my car, take him to his friend's house because both of his parents are working, number one. Number two, heading down Orange Picker, three abreast, which is against the law, e-bikes. Going down the length of the road, the middle bike is doing a wheelie the entire way down the road. And then I stopped at the four-way stop, and they started to have a conversation. And the whole idea of getting people to understand, you have a responsibility if you're on a roadway, that you have to adhere to, you know, the standard. And my conversation with JSO, that clearly was the case. Third example, heading northbound on San Jose Boulevard. Coming southbound in the bike lane is a gentleman, a young man, on a bicycle, on an e-bike, with a phone in his ear. It's just, you know, we've got to raise the level of awareness to the need for this kind of responsibility, both on the side of the parents as well as the operators themselves. So as much as anything else is what we're trying to do. And I'll take a couple more comments from here, but I want to hear from folks in the audience as well. Now, I've had very similar interactions, especially in some of the older neighborhoods that I have. And when I say older, I mean seniors primarily living in some of those communities. I've had two individuals say that their car was hit by an individual, and, like, you know, now their spouse has to go through a claim. And they're just, people just don't know the rules. We're not allowed to do. I'm assuming Council Member Romero and Salem, there in Arlington, a lot of old roads there, definitely some older communities. I would not be surprised if there was a similar issue there. So there's a need for stuff. Helmet is another question that I had. Are we allowed to have people wear a helmet? You have to wear it. Specifically, it indicates helmets are required for both the passenger as well as the driver. Is that enforceable? Because I'm not mistaken, on scooters, I thought the state of Florida preempted us on that for only scooters. And it might be different for bicycles. Yeah, I mirrored it to the regulation in the bicycle Florida statute, which requires helmets for riders 16 years of age or younger. I'm very supportive of that. If you're below the age of 16, you should. If I could, now, just to get a couple of folks up. Matt, do you have anything more you want to offer in the context of what we've had here? Come on up to the table, please. And, Lauren, also, if you've got some comments or others, we'll take those as well. So, if I can keep just a couple of minutes, Sonia, can you tie them for three minutes? So, why do we have an auditor here? Are we spending money on something? He wants to know how much the signs are going to cost. Yeah, and I think I spoke with you all privately. I think the bill as is is already good, and I think we're adding value here. I think to Council Member Peluso's point, maybe we come back and do more of a micromobility language at another point. And I think it might be good to just take care of the e-bikes now and then come back. It could even be through Chapter 635, I think it is. You're in support of that, then, of kind of refecting. Yeah, I'd be happy to sit down and, like, even draft some language for you that we could look at. I just don't want residents saying, well, what the hell, we had an opportunity here. You know, I think there are risks out here and blah, blah, blah. Go ahead. Yeah, no, I think there's a place for that, too. Yeah, and, you know, I like the bill. I think all the red additions are great. My only addition, I think we maybe would mention the city's Vision Zero effort just as a tie-in. It doesn't change any of the legislation, but it might be something just to show that this does support safer transportation networks. One thing we didn't incorporate in this edition of it, yet, I did have the conversation with JSO about the required training, and they're more than willing to take on that responsibility of creating a video. So I think we're going to put something in here that allows the discretion of the enforcing officer to cite them and mandate to watch the videos or whatever is created to educate them on what the rules are. Yeah, and I think that stems from Ferdinand Beach has a first offense offer where they could either pay $50 or take a safety class instead of having to pay that $50, which is great. I like a lot of the red language in here that allows them to not have to have a speed gun that says, oh, you're going faster than 10 miles per hour. You can just see reckless driving, and it gives them an opportunity to say, hey, you shouldn't be riding like that. So I like the bill as it is. The age 11, I've seen that in other cities. That is an interesting one. It does seem kind of arbitrary a little bit, but if you're in the public right away, you're on a public road. I don't know if we should allow anyone under age 11, so I think that's good. I think it's tough for JSO to look at a rider and say, are they 10 and a half? Are they 13? I mean, you know, I'm terrible at guessing ages, so that might be a tough one. But sorry, Lauren, did you want to? Yeah, no, I agree. I think the bill is a great start, so thank you for putting this together, Councilman Boylan, and for allowing us an opportunity to give comment. I think the two things above and beyond what is already consistent with state statute is the age restriction, which I don't think we have a problem with that in particular. It was pointed out to me that age 11 is kind of synonymous with, like, the end of elementary school age, so I think that might be a connection there. Age 15 has also been mentioned because at that age you would be eligible to get a learner's permit, and so theoretically you would have some knowledge of the rules of the roadway, so I think that could be an age to potentially consider as well. And then you have the 10-mile-an-hour speed limit, and we did mention in our letter, I think one thing to consider there, and we're not opposed to a speed limit. I think that's a good idea. But one thing to consider is that there are studies that show that typically the average speed of an urban cyclist, and this is not an e-cyclist, this is just a regular bike rider, is between 10 to 15 miles per hour. So I think 10 miles an hour may be a little bit slow when you consider the fact that e-bikes are important because they provide a competitive option to driving a car. And unfortunately in Jacksonville we don't have a lot of safe, protected bicycle infrastructure. So in places outside, especially outside the urban core, you are often using a bicycle sometimes as your main form of transportation, and you have to ride it on the sidewalk. So I would just make that point that we wouldn't be in favor of anything that would be making it more burdensome to facilitate biking as a viable form of transportation. I also want to point out that my impression is that a lot of these issues are stemming from what are known as e-motor cycles rather than e-bikes. So I want to be really careful that we're not sort of punishing law-abiding e-bike riders because of what e-motorists are doing on our roadways. So I think often when you see those kids popping wheelies, I have a couple of them in my neighborhood, those are more often e-motors, which are not actually street legal. So I think if not addressed in this ordinance, those should be addressed separately. And it's an item that JSO raised with me as well. But like I said, I like to stay singular in this process. Thank you both for taking a few minutes. I do have a couple of the folks who have one more thing, Matt. Sorry, one more addition. I know that in the definitions we put the class one, class two, class three. I think a good rule of thumb is that class one, class two are good. They're pedal assist. They stay below 20 miles per hour. Class three is where you get into some of those that Lauren was mentioning where it's going 38 miles per hour, higher than that. So it could be something as easy as just anything. Class one, class two is good. Class three is out. Fair enough. Thanks. Thank you. I'm going to go ahead and invite Mary Noonan to come on up. And she's got a couple of comments regarding a recent study that they did on the beaches. Good morning, still for a bit. I recently completed a study for the beaches community. And although that is at the beach, I think some of the things that we found, and I might be able to answer some of the questions about crash statistics and some things that I really want to reiterate, especially about education for law enforcement. We understand that for law enforcement reporting, this is difficult. It's difficult to police, and I've heard that speaking with JSO and throughout the course of this study. But to better understand how to, you know, make legislation going forward, we want to understand it from a scientific perspective. And for this study, I hand-sorted probably 500 reports for bicycles and pedestrian crashes because I had to find individual reports of JSO officers reporting that it was an e-bike. Like, that seems difficult for them. It was difficult for me. So just education for law enforcement, I find, was really important. Also, I'm happy to pass on the study to you guys. It has all of the crash statistics that we found, and a lot of them were people under the age of 18. That's really all I want to say. Thank you. And next we have Ernest Smith, question regarding enforcement. Yes, Ernest Smith, 400 East Bay Street, chair of the Urban Corps CPAC. Thank you for convening this meeting on e-bikes and the legislation that's needed here in the city. With that being said, again, the legislation is great. I welcome it myself. I'm not speaking on behalf of the Urban Corps CPAC. However, we will bring this before the CPAC if it were to go to committee and city council. With that being said, the biggest situation it looks like here is the teeth. You know, what teeth does this ordinance have? Because JSO, you know, they're fighting crimes. You know, they're doing what they have to do. Have JSO been in contact with you on how they're going to try to enforce these ordinances? And if so, could you please give like an overview or an explanation, high-level overview, if you will, on how they would plan to go forward doing that? I know we have CSO officers, community service officers, even though they're not sworn, they still have some sort of, you know, powers that they can use. But how will JSO be able to enforce, again, these ordinances? Well, the great conversation is a segue into our next piece in terms of my conversation with JSO, where they stand on these two bills. I think it's very much akin to the fact, I mean, I drive down Scott Miller Road every day. It's 30 miles an hour, okay? People are going 35. People are going 38. People are going 40. We've got the same challenge here in terms of enforcing these kind of things. And that's a concern that JSO is very much concerned about. How do we do that? I think there are two thoughts really in this process, in my mind, and we'll talk about the speed limit here in just a minute, as to where they land in this process. Number one, it provides JSO the opportunity to cite someone who's involved in a situation or an incident. Say, hey, look, ordinance is very clear that you operated unsafely in this process because you were violating the speed limit, weren't wearing your helmet, whatever it is. So it provides them that opportunity to do that. Secondly, it also puts a bit of a throttle on the operator, hopefully, to know that if there's a prescribed speed limit that's reasonable on a sidewalk. Now, we're not talking about the roadway because the roadway is basically they can do what they need to be able to do. If it's 30 miles an hour, they can drive 30 miles an hour if they have the capacity to do so. So those are the two ways that I think we're going to take a look at this. But your point's well taken, and I think it was a concern that was raised with JSO. So let me now transition quickly to the JSO concerns. Thank you. Thank you. We appreciate it, Mr. Smith. Number one, let's talk about speed limit. According to state statutes right now, the viable speed limit, allowable speed limit on a sidewalk is 28 miles per hour. That means 30 miles per hour. That means 35 miles per hour. I have a genuine concern with that. Before I speak any more to that one, the second one, their second concern, and by the way, both of these said they could not support the bill if they were incorporated in here, is the age limit. I'm comfortable, and for the sake, and I'd love to hear from my colleagues about the age limit issue of this thing, if we're saying that's the responsibility of the parents of the garden to make a determination whether or not their son or daughter is mature enough, able enough, mentally and or physically, to operate an e-bike, and that should be their decision. So I'm okay with taking the age limitation out of this bill to secure the support of JSO, and we'll talk about the speed limit in a second. But let's speak to that one first, if I could. Gentlemen, your thoughts on that. I'll allow the senior member to. He's not the most senior member. Senior in many ways. Yeah, I have real problems with an age, personally. I just feel like that's a parental responsibility. There are very mature kids at nine years old, and there are numb nuts at 16. You know, and I think the parents, guardians, should be involved in that decision. And, yeah, I think I would take out the age, personally. Councilman, I believe so. And I'm also very concerned about enforcement. Yes. No one wants to put in a legislation that it's just going to just be there and no one's going to enforce it. Understood. But that's a separate issue, I guess. From a practicality standpoint, I tend to agree, and I would think that it's more like helmets and safety precautions that people should have under the age of 16, that I'm more comfortable with trying to enforce as best we can. Because that way, all right, yeah, you're 12, you're 13, well, you better have a helmet at the very least. My other question, though, is for the purpose of enforcement of, you know, Uber, Bird, and the other scooters that you can rent and the other bikes you can rent. But I think when you download the app, it provides instructions and guidance. I just want to make sure that whatever legislation we have does get sent over to them, and they know to put that into their app and their processes. Because I think when I – the first time you log into it, it gives you directions and usually what local state law is. Sure. You must wear a helmet if you're under the age and stuff like that. That makes sense. Yeah. And we talked about that. It's hard to put legislation in here to require that. And there is some documentation on it. It's more or less – I just want to make sure they're aware, for one, we'll also know if they're going to fight it. But two, that they'll be able to say, like, yep, the moment you guys pass that law, we can put that into the terms and use and everything else. I do have to run. I very much am grateful for this piece of legislation. Happy to co-introduce. Just for clarity, am I hearing you correctly, the JSO, which would be the authority for enforcement, does not support the age brackets? Yeah, two items. And one of them is the age. They don't think an age limitation is necessary. They can't support the bill if it's part of it. What's the second one? The second one we'll talk about in a minute. I just want to – are you okay with that? I'm okay with that. Okay. The second one is the speed limit, 10 miles per hour. So, as I said, current statutes allows 28 miles per hour, both on the roadway and on the sidewalk. For me, I think that's a little onerous. I want to – my focus is on the walking or on the pedestrian in that process. To see a bike hurling down the sidewalk at a speed that is at 28 miles or likely greater is a concern. I think there's some modification, 10 per Lauren's comment, and maybe too drastic. I'd perhaps like to look at something that's closer to 18 to 20 so that it accommodates the bicycles. Now, whether or not JSO is willing to support that, I just think it helps, as I said before, helps throttle back the likelihood of someone driving in what I would characterize unsafely in excess of the prescribed speed limit. So, you – in your legislation, you describe these vehicles as reaching 20 miles an hour, I guess, designed by a manufacturer to reach 20 miles an hour. So, why won't you be consistent with their capacity? I'm fine with 20 as well. I think anything better than 28 is better, and I was just trying to reach a happy meeting between what – so, presently – How do you know if they're going 28 or 38? You don't. You know, and I get that. So, whatever it is, that's why I want to lower it some to a reasonable number. 20 is a reasonable number in my mind. I think that's something that I'm hopeful JSO can embrace. Well, 20 miles would seem to me fair and equitable because that's the capacity of the vessel, vehicle, unless it's modified or something. If you feel there needs to be a speed limit, I think it would be something compatible with the capacity of the vehicle. Councilman Salem, any thoughts on limits? Well, I would – if JSO thinks 10 is too low, then what is the speed limit that they're comfortable with? 28. 28. That's the current statute on the sidewalk. Well, Councilman Boylan, I think you're going to have a hard time getting it through the council if JSO is not – Understood. And I've not had a conversation with them. Maybe there's room for compromise. That's what I'm hoping for. And I was hoping Chief Strunko would be here today to speak to that. And I'll reach out to him and see if they are willing to compromise on the speed limit. Clearly, I think you can differentiate between 20 miles an hour and 30 miles an hour and knowing that 28 is the statute that they want. I think 20 is not an unreasonable place to land in this process. So, anyway, the intent of this meeting was to give us some background as to how we got here, what we're doing, and then getting some feedback from the community. And I appreciate very much all the input that's gone into this, and I think I will work with Corey to modify the bill and reintroduce it as substituted following my conversation with JSO to see where they stand on the speed limitation of 20 miles per hour. Just one quick question through you to Corey, not knowing the statute, and I was trying to look it up here. What's all in a classy offense? Yes, so it's a $100 fine, up to $100, excuse me, no, yes, up to $100 fine, and incarceration is a possibility. We're obviously not looking to incarcerate people under this, but I think it's up to 60 days. And JSO, frankly, didn't have an issue with that. They were comfortable with the, and I anticipate, we're talking incarceration, it's not talking about, we're talking about the parent or garden who allowed that, you know, operation to happen. And I do want to go ahead, I'll give you just a quick second. Come on up to the microphone while you do. I do want to go back and incorporate into this ordinance the information with respect to a safety class opportunity for us to, for JSO to do. Please introduce yourself. Hi, everyone. My name is Tanner Pletsky. I'm the junior bike ped coordinator. I work out of Matt's office. I don't necessarily have a change to submit, but I just wanted to add some context and maybe help add some context to this. First of all, on the enforcement point, I understand the difficulty in enforcing a bill like this, but I think it's important to note that with a new city statute, we can help educate the public on this. And I do think that a lot of the misuse of e-bikes that we see is because there's a lack of kind of a city ordinance on this sort of thing. Matt and I do a lot of work doing community outreach at JSO safety fairs, et cetera, informing people of, you know, what the laws are. And I think it would help us a lot inform the public better when there's, when these speed limits or, you know, rules are in force. Something I wanted to mention about the, in particular, the speed limit is that class three e-bikes technically are allowed to go up to 28 miles an hour, you know, by their, by their definition or how they, how they exist, I suppose. And I don't think we'd want to limit necessarily the upper limit of those speeds on places like bike lanes and public right-of-ways and in the roadway. But 20 miles an hour, even 20 miles an hour on a sidewalk, a sidewalk is very different than a shared use path even. But, yeah, I think 20 miles an hour is, is, is, is very fast on sidewalks. So while not necessarily, you know, changing the way that these bikes, bicycles operate, period, I think the roadway, it's important to note that the roadways in a bike lane is different than. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I tried to make that clear. Yes. We're not precluding that the kind of speed limits that you would have on a bike path or in a roadway in this process is strictly sidewalk to a focus. Okay, great. And then I just, for the information of, of the committee, I'd also like to mention that I worked at a bike shop as a bike mechanic for many years. And as this e-bike craze kind of started to blow up, we would get lots of questions of folks coming into the shop asking how they can unlock their e-bikes or, you know, basically remove the restriction. And while I don't think it's necessarily, you know, the purview of this bill to enforce that, some of the biggest problems that we see is, you know, the classes of e-bikes exist and they work as they exist. There's also maybe a measure of consumer safety required or, or a look into or an understanding of the fact that many of these e-bikes that are being sold direct to consumers are almost intended to be changed or modified or the rules be broken. So that, you know, we can go out of this way. So I just want to add that context and say, thank you for introducing this bill. Let me just, thank you. And I appreciate the comments. My conversation with Chief, Commander DeMone the other day, he's intimately aware with the situation. He talked about a couple of incidents, which he personally, and he talked about the fact that people are throttling up, if you will, their bikes in order to do what they do. So I think this is a first good step in the process, as you said, to allow us an opportunity to educate, to create the tools to educate the parents and users out there of these, and operators of these bikes. Not to discourage the use of them. All we're trying to do is encourage the safe use of them, pure and simple, in that process. So I thank you all for taking the time to be here. I appreciate the feedback from my two, my three colleagues and Corey for the gray ocher. He's on this and we are adjourned. Good work.