All right, we're going to start, and so it's 2.35, and it's a Tuesday, June 23rd, and it's just a sunshine meeting, and we have a high school student here with us today, and I met her, and Corey met her at Wilson High School, and she was one of those that came up during the meeting we had where they were fighting for the AP and IB courses, and they thought they beat us at first, and then we came back and beat them in the end. So I'll use my new gavel and call us to order. So let's go around the thing here and introduce each other. Thank you, Council Member, and thanks for indulging me. I was over at KHA, so I was a few minutes behind schedule. Rockmont Johnson, District 14. Michael Boylan, District 6. And I'm Matt Carlucci, at-large, Group 4. And anybody with the city out there that we need to introduce? Okay. If you stand up, the what section? Oh, okay, okay. So I would sign off on your thing today. Is that why you came? Hey. Thank you, Jermaine. Thank you for the work. Get it done. Well, thanks for being here. And, yeah, Aramis, always good to see you. Aramis used to come to LUZ, but he doesn't like us anymore at LUZ. Are you with the city? Are you with the city, young lady? Okay. All right. Oh, wow. And then we have some ECAs, and I have my ECA here, Corey. And there's Andrew back there. And then who's that? Brianna. Bree? Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I don't see as good distance-wise as I used to. My mother, 23 years ago, had that, what do you call that surgery for your eyes? Laser. Laser surgery. Yeah. So I could see good at distance. And I went to the eye doctor, and she said, you're going back to your old stigmatism, where you can't see that good at length, but you can see better up front now. So I'm like, well. So I put on my reading glasses, and they don't really work so good anymore. Trust me. Even though I'm not at your number, my little higher number, those things are happening to me, too, councilor. Come on up here, Bill. Yeah, I know. It's amazing. Bill, come on. Come on up here. We have Joe Interhees in the back, and I want you to come on up here, Joe. Bill, the chair invited you up here to the day. Come on. Bill's like, I don't need to be up here. Yes, you do. We like seeing you guys. They're not used to being invited. No, no. We'll have Bill Delaney. Right, right. Good to have you. Okay. And so, and to the guests that are here, thank you for coming. And so, I have a list of priorities here, but really, the one that I wanted to talk about is my friend Warren Jones. And the reason I wanted you here was because of that. And I had gone over a number of thoughts about what to do with Warren. And for those of you who don't know Warren Jones, who we're fixing to talk about, well, Rockman and I have known Warren Jones for a long, long time. I'd say Rockman, Councilmember Jones. Rockman, you've known me since I was a child, man. Yeah, I don't know where to start. You know, doctor, bishop, and goes on and on, professor, you know, all I am is just, you know, Councilman, whatever, and just a lowly, humble, lovable State Farm agent. But Warren Jones has been a dear friend of mine, and I've served with him going back to when he and I, we're 30, in our 30s, and back in 1987, and he has served on the council longer than anybody else in the history of consolidated government. And a total of 28 years, he was council president two times. I have seen him handle city business under the most intense struggles, situations, and with such grace and dignity, didn't lose his temper like I can, but I guess that's that Italian coming out of me. But he's just one of the great statesmen in Jacksonville. He's won a humanitarian award, and then he went on to serve for the school board, only because he got recruited, and he served there eight years and one year as chairman. So, I've been wanting to name something after him, and so has Rockman, Councilmember Johnson. And so, we did, we named a baseball, we want to name a park after him, but anyway, he didn't want a park named after him, so, but there's a baseball complex that is within a park at Hammond Park that we named after him, or fixing to. But I got to thinking, at first I had thought maybe the chamber might be a good place to name after Warren, but I tried that one time before with another council member, and it stirred up a lot of controversy. A lot of council members felt there should be nobody ever named after, the chamber should never be named after anybody, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then it came to me that the back wall of the chambers has a wall with all these pictures back there. And, but I'm sure some people figure out that that's council presidents, but it doesn't say anything about that's where the council presidents are, who they are. And so, I thought perhaps we should name that back wall by ordinance, the Warren A. Jones Wall of Council Presidents, and that there should be a plaque, and that should be his name, the Warren A. Jones Wall of Council Presidents should be on top of all the names. And then on the left side, some sort of a plaque that gives a good bit of history on him. And I also, I have a, just a tentative ordinance that's being put together because I didn't know whether my idea would go, would be accepted or not. But I will say I had a meeting with the council president, and I asked him if he would join me in that legislation. And I was very happy to say that he said he wouldn't. And I said, well, I said, there's, there's one other person that I can't go forward with that, with this legislation until I have another meeting with Councilman Johnson, because he's, he's very, very close, and I would never allow myself to do that. And so, this, this part of this meeting is for you. And, and also, I asked Councilmember Michael Boylan to be here, because I know you're close to Councilman Jones, and that you might, would want to be a, a co-introducer of it. And, and so, I just would, and in also in the legislation, the legislation would also have in there, that in the event that the wall was ever moved, or if city, the city hall ever became out of my lifetime, but some other time, too small, or the, or the, you know, it got moved to a different location, that there would always be a wall of presidents, and it would always be called the Warren A. Jones wall of council presidents, so that it would be a wall in perpetuity. And so, I would open that up to my friends here on the council, and for discussion to see what y'all might think about that. I'll start. First of all, thank you. It does my heart good, I have to say, from the beginning, and I think you, you may or may not remember this, Warren Jones and my mother were kindergarten classmates together. So, I've literally known him forever when it came to my life. I, I remember Uncle, Uncle Warren as it turns out. His parents and my grandparents were social together as well. So, our families were intergenerationally connected. And the reason, just to add some context as well, that the baseball complex was named after him, Warren is probably, besides Joe Enderheese, and I say that jokingly, but Warren is probably one of the most statistically factual individuals when it comes to baseball that I've ever known. He can rattle off facts and statistics about baseball from, you know, because you've been around him, Bill, from forever ago. And, and you can Google it, and Warren is right. I've not, it's uncanny how well he knows it. And he also coached his son into the major leagues. So, this is certainly an honor that is befitting of him. And I must say, he is the only person to have served two back to back consecutive terms, full consecutive terms as council president. There was one that was two terms, but he didn't finish the second term. Warren is the only one that has been two terms consecutively and finished both terms. And he is the only member that will ever be, unless term limits change, and I know that's not going to happen, but unless that changes, there will never be another member of council that serves as long as Warren Jones. Um, so I have to say, and in that same voice, when I talked to him, um, I am so honored to be able to count him and Denise Lee amongst, uh, family friends and, and people who've mentored me. And I, and I hope, um, that Denise is looking down and, and Betty and all those others, but, um, and, and I'm doing at least what they think is a good job, but I'm able to hear it from Warren and, and, and, and Vanessa by proxy. Uh, and when I'm not doing a good job, my phone will ring and my text messages will fly. So I'm thankful for that. So I wanted to put that out there. Uh, let me say, I think it's a great idea. Um, and I will certainly, uh, I think while I do want to support it, let me tell you my hesitation. Uh, as I said earlier, there's never been a council president from any party, any race, any individual that will serve as long as Warren Jones. There has never been a person, as I said, that has had two consecutive presidencies. And I hope maybe someone will break the record has not happened yet. I believe that there is a grander, bigger thing like the chamber, um, that, um, and I, obviously I was not on the council at the time, but like any curious Jacksonvillian, I watched the debate as they tried to rename the chamber for a man who I've known since I was about 10 years old. His picture's in my office with me as a 10 year old on the 14th floor of Bay street. And that was Tommy Azuri, um, who I counted as a friend and mentor until the day he died. Um, I think it's a little bit different. Tommy does not, did not council member, former council, you know, president and school board chair, or school board member Azuri did not have the same largesse as did Warren. So there may have been some trepidation, um, especially with the, while we do still want to honor his memory there, he was a recent serving member. In fact, when he passed away, he was a current elected member of this council. I think because of that, there may have been some trepidation because it was a too soon thing. I'm glad we did name something for him. Um, but I think while I do appreciate the wall, I believe that Warren's largesse is even greater than just the wall. I believe that the chamber itself, there are others who I believe, uh, you know, I'm, I'm honored to have, I knew Tilly well, um, you, everybody has their thoughts about her, but I knew her well. I'm honored to have her park in my district. Um, I, I want something to be named for Denise who you served with. I want something to, you know, find these things so we can place make and let people know who were the people that made Jacksonville great. Um, but I believe if we're going to name something, while the wall is powerful and such a symbolic moment, um, there will never be another person in modern recorded history that will do the things that Warren did. I think we can do better. And that's why I hope, um, I would be willing to take another stab at the chamber while I do understand having to waive the rules and obviously with someone that is still with us and we're thankful and want to keep him here as long as we can. Um, I just don't want to lose the opportunity to name something for him that is befitting of his stature and purpose on this body. And I think the wall is amazing. And if I need to, I will support it, but I hope we can find something that's even, that is congruent with his largesse. I'll leave it there. Okay. Um, so glad you're here. Uh, the other thing, uh, I'm going to let, uh, Michael go just a second, but I wanted you to be here because you were the other person, um, that I wanted to be here because I know how much you look up to council member Warren Jones as a mentor and how close you are to him and a neighbor and a neighbor. Okay. Uh, and by the way, I had to fight, I had to force this upon Warren Jones. I mean, I just had to force it on him. Um, but I was talking about, um, the idea of the back wall in the chambers. Uh, you got all the pictures of the council presence, but maybe not everybody would pick up on who those people are, you know? So my idea was to name that wall, the Warren A Jones wall of council presidents. And that would be in letters above the pictures. And then there would be a plaque, uh, on the side talking about just who Warren A Jones was or is. Yeah. And so, um, you know, I wanted to get your thoughts on that. Um, and so Michael, uh, you had your hand up. I just want to explain to Tyra. Sure. Or a council member Mark Murray, what we were. Okay. Well, let me just, uh, take it an off road just for a quick second. The very first bill I introduced as a rookie council member was the renaming of, um, a park on orange picker road to the Walter Anderson Memorial park. Walter Anderson was a, uh, a postal employee who's owned a piece of property and the park was named, uh, after a prominent citizen of our community, but it was Walter who purchased this property. So the young black males in our community had a place to play baseball because they couldn't play at Alberts field. And so, uh, council member Carlucci might recall, but I, that was the very first bill I introduced. And so I was proud as a peacock when that flew through the council pretty, pretty comfortably until a constituent called me and told me to pull my zipper up, but I said, Oh boy. All right. Well, there it goes. Uh-huh. Well, anyway, the point I was trying to make, I think it's great that we have an opportunity to recognize prominent folks like Warren, particularly people of color in our community, Nat Clever, you mentioned Denise Lee, uh, countless others who, uh, I think I agree, but I have to, uh, respectfully disagree with, uh, council member Johnson with respect to, uh, the conversation about naming the chamber. Uh, I'm a firm believer as we talked about this and it really wasn't about, it was cut because it was for Tommy. I think the most compelling comments that I'd heard and I, and I shared was that the chamber belongs to the citizens. It belongs to the people and to putting a name on it. Didn't seem to appropriate to me. And I don't think I can, I would not support that just so that, you know, the idea of naming the wall because of his history, uh, because of what he has contributed beyond his time as a service on council to have the only council member whose name is prominently and permanently mounted in the chamber, I think serves, serves him well and serves, uh, his history and his contribution well. And I would limit it to that. So with all due respect, I'd love the opportunity to gladly, uh, co-introduce this bill, but it would not support something that changed, uh, the name of the chamber that belongs to the citizens of Jacksonville. I have a question, council member, and, and this may be procedure. Do we have anybody from OJC here? You know, I know OJC fault. Uh, so council member, nobody. Okay. A quick question for you. Is it necessary? Um, and I understand what you're saying. I obviously disagree and I, I, I have my rationale for why I don't think it is rooted in the reality of where we are now, but I'll certainly get to that. My question, however, is does this take legislation? Couldn't this, couldn't the council president just enact that? Because one of the reasons that I do that I, that I have a problem with that is, um, before, and I'm going to just call a thing a thing before there was Henry Cook, Linwood Roberts, all the names of these rooms. There was nothing in this building named for any black people. I'll be honest. I had a problem with that as an African-American person who knew the sacrifices and struggles that everybody from Sally Mathis to Mary Singleton and all these people were there. There was nothing when I walked in this building that I saw anything for anybody that looked like me. Didn't feel good. Um, fortunately, I was able to go to the mayor's office. Thank you, Madam Mayor and to the team that was there. And we were able to name the conference room in the mayor's office for Naomi Glover, which was a part of that. That was an idea I had, and I'm so glad that we were able to get that done. But back to this, similarly to that, that did not require legislation. Just like, I don't think Bob Green or these rooms required it. Do we need it? That's my question. Um, did they require it or did we do it? That's my question. Because I know we did it, but did it require it? That's my question. So it may be a, maybe a legal question that we can answer today. I believe it required it. Uh, and I, um, and I understand exactly how you, how you feel about, we've got three conference rooms named after, uh, white council members. And I did one of them, that was Henry Cook, um, which is, um, not the reason that I'm calling to do Warren Jones's, uh, on the wall, but I do believe it is, um, it is a nice contrast to have Warren, uh, on that back wall, uh, in a way that I think it, um, it, um, will be, uh, a way that more people will see it. And I believe it's important. Uh, it, it will be important part of history of city hall to have Warren's name back there also to have a narrative on Warren Jones on that back wall. Um, and that's why I put into, uh, the, just the very beginnings of a bill that any new city hall there ever is that will have a wall of the council presidents will always be named the Warren A. Jones uh, wall of council presidents, uh, henceforth. And, um, but I want to go to Tyrona and get your thoughts, uh, if you, if you would like. Okay. Thank you. Um, thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Matt. I, I appreciate that. I really thought we were going to meet about the bill that you, that's going to be introduced at council today. So I am blindsided by this. Which bill am I introducing? The, the GoPro? Oh. GoPro, yeah. Um. That, um, street name change. Yeah. Honorary sign in district nine. That's what I thought we were meeting about. So I see. So was it Godsmack by this? So I really don't, I'm, I'm just taking it all in. Okay. And I'm sure I will process and have an opinion as I normally do. Okay. Okay. The, um, the, the, uh, one thing that, um, uh, I don't want and, um, and that is, uh, any bill, um, naming, uh, Warren after anything, Tommy, whoever, uh, that would generate, um, a nonunanimous vote or any kind of, uh, uh, uh, a controversy. Um, and, um, and I, and I don't want really a competing bill. Um, so, um, uh, so I, I think what I'd like to do is, uh, prepare this bill to be introduced, um, uh, after the holiday in July. And that would give, um, uh, you, you, you both a chance to decide if you want to be a co-sponsor. Uh, and if y'all, uh, if you want to schedule, uh, some, uh, sunshine meetings with some that, you know, want to talk about, uh, the chambers, listen, I, I, I would never make a fuss over that, uh, either, but I've been down that road and I heard everything. And the other, and the other thing that I have to say, I was, um, good, cause I, I, I really thought about that, going that direction. And, and so I called the Hazzari family. And I thought, well, there may be some hope that they have that maybe one day somebody will return to that idea. And, uh, so I delicately spoke with, uh, the Hazzari family about that. And anyway, I just, um, and they were okay with it going forward with, with Warren's name, but I, I just felt there was maybe some, uh, it, it, it, uh, there was some hurt over that. I'm just going to say it like that. There was some hurt in, in, in, in the way that, um, uh, that was handled. And, and, and maybe I, you know, I, I, I charged into that quickly because I wanted Tommy to still be with us when that would pass perhaps. And, and the opposition from, um, some council members of whom I never would have believed would have, would have opposed it in the way they opposed it. I, I, I, you know, I, I just was astounded. And, um, and it, it, it, anyway, uh, uh, but there were other people who opposed it for the reasons that Mr. Uh, council member Boylan opposed it. Um, and, uh, I just didn't want to launch into that. And when I thought of this, it just sounded like it just felt right. And I felt it. And so I told Warren when I was talking to Warren about it and trying to talk him into it, I said, Warren, I said, look, put yourself aside for this for a second. This is important to Jacksonville's history because, um, years down the road, people need to know there was a gentleman named Warren a Jones who served 28 years on this city council. And, and he was a black man. And he, at the time was a trailblazing black man. And he was the first black man to serve a full term as council president. And then he wound up serving a consecutive second term. And I have a great story to tell about that one day for anybody that wants to hear it. But, but I said it, this is history and it's an important piece of history that, that needs to be remembered, needs to be told. And we got three conference rooms of which I contributed to one of them that are named after some very distinguished white council members. And, um, and I said, uh, but I said, I think this is bigger than that. That's just the way I feel about it. So, um, look, uh, y'all take the next, uh, uh, uh, weeks and, uh, I'm going to get with, um, boy, tell you, don't turn 70. It's just awful. I, we look like you and we turn 70. We'll be all right. Yeah. I'm going to talk with, thank you. God bless you. Um, I, I'm going to talk with, um, Carla. Yeah. Um, and, um, shell and I'm going to ask her to put the bill together with no names, but before I come close to introducing, I mean, I really would like, you know, uh, for the two of y'all to have a opportunity. And then, and Nick Allen, by the way, you weren't here when I mentioned this, but I met with Nick Allen on it because I wanted to make sure I had his support and that I wouldn't get any objection, you know, doing this one. And, uh, and I have to tell you, he was, he was very quick to say that he wanted to be a part of that. So he's offered to put his name as a co-introducer. And Matt, I thank you for this and thank you for honoring him. Um, I just want you to think about this. Um, not everybody goes into the chamber. So if using the rubric that you've given that you want people to know a hundred years from now that Warren Jones served, that a black man was, and you know, you've been in my office, you know, I keep Earl Johnson's, um, Earl, the first black man to be the president of the Jacksonville city council, Earl Johnson, who is no relation by the way, which I wish he was, but, uh, his picture is up in my office as was a picture that was given to me by one of the most brilliant council members on the council, Matt Carlucci with the first Jacksonville city council that includes Sally Mathis, Mary Singleton, and Oscar Taylor and Earl Johnson. However, if no one enters the chamber, no one sees Warren Anthony Jones on the wall. And I just wanted you to just think about if the, the, the tableau of walking into this building, because sometimes people will need to walk in for veteran services things or for things that may not concern legislation and they may never go into the people's chamber. It is the people's chamber. But what I kind of push back against what was said earlier is that Warren Anthony Jones is one of the people he is and belonged to the people fully, um, having to sacrifice times with Michael, his son and Vanessa, his wife to give to Jacksonville before we had the technology that we do today. Uh, Warren is who I learned from and he would be in his office two, three o'clock in the morning working on legislation without the aid of the technology we have today. And while I certainly, uh, I'm going to give every bit of effort I can to, to champion whatever we do to honor him. Anytime I get a chance to speak his name, just like Nat Glover, I'm going to do it. But I also want to make sure that when we do it, it is done in a way. And I use the word largesse, not lightly, but it is done in a way that's congruent with what he brings to the table. And I get a wall. I get it. Makes sense. It's a wall of honor. But I think his, the stature of what he did, we can do more. Well, um, y'all think it over. Sure. And, um, and let me just say, uh, uh, if we do wind up going in this direction, uh, you will love the plans for the wall that I have and people won't miss it. Okay. Cause it'll be fabulous. Okay. We're not finished with the meeting yet. Can we finish with the meeting, John? Hold on, John. We, we, we, we, we, we don't let you speak. I have other stuff on here. I had a question. I had something I wanted to share too. Uh, and, uh, and it's only five after three. So, um, I don't really need to talk about any more of this except I, I will say, uh, if you want to ask me some questions about the GOPAL, uh, we could talk about that now cause we're not restricted. So I just, yes. So I have simply read the summary. Do you want to give me a little more insight into, I'm not saying he was a doctor? Uh, a little more insight into who he was? So, uh, the GOPALs, some of the sweetest people there are, um, and the, uh, sons and the, and the daughter, uh, asked if I would consider naming a section of, of street where there's no addresses, you know, on that street, but named that GOPAL way. Um, their father, Dr. GOPAL was a veterinarian in, on the west side, um, 30 some odd years, a long time. He, um, also, I'm not sure if he was an Olympian or if he, he, he, he had some pretty large achievements. Corey, do you know of the, of the achievements that he had? Um, yeah. So I see Dr. Johnson shaking his head and he must know some of the history, but apparently he was also a pretty distinguished soccer player as well. Um, he was a veterinary. Yep. For the University of Georgia. Um, I don't know if he played past that, but, um, yeah, he, he lived on that street for over 30, near 40 years. Um, and, uh, this portion of the street is one block. It is at the end of Kingsbury road and there's no affected addresses. Um, it passed through the 9-1-1 addressing committee unanimously. Um, and there weren't any concerns. He, um, Mr. GOPAL for a long time. And I just have to say, he was absolutely one of the sweetest men I have ever known. Uh, just always so kind. And then his daughter moved across the street from us. Um, and she's a doctor. And I think all, I think all his kids are doctors. And, um, and so, um, and she's very dear, uh, as well. And so, uh, but her son is the one who approached me about the idea. And, um, and when he said there's nobody living there, but his father used to live there and so on and so forth, we went through the process with the air medicine in, in the address department and so forth. Um, and so, um, so that's, that's who he is. He, he was a, he was a beloved vet. He was a great soccer player and his children have turned out to be, uh, very popular and very well thought of, uh, veterinarians. And they're just some of the most gracious people you'll ever want to meet, you know, and, uh, very well loved over on the west side. And, uh, anybody else got any questions? You, uh, do you want to be a co-sponsor on that bill? Let me finish reading it. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Super. Okay. Super. Oh, he did. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't believe he passed away. I don't think he was that old. And he was, he was just, he was, I'd say it was about eight years ago. Okay. Okay. Who else has something they want to talk about? I did. Uh, mine was, and by the way, I did, like I said, co-sponsor that. So thanks for bringing it up. Um, I've been working on something. I'm not finished with the paper yet. Um, a lot of times what I do is to kind of do sense making is I write it in a paper format. That's what I kind of gotten used to. So I'll, I'll certainly share it as a one way communication once it's done. I wish I could have given it to you today, but it's just not ready. I'm still researching it. Uh, I know one of the things that you had been passionate about was like how the council is structured, um, early on in your career and your first term, first, first time rather on, on the Jacksonville city council. Um, Jacksonville is not what it was, um, as we all know, right. Our city is, is evolved into something that's a little bit different. And so I'm calling it the council modernization initiative. Um, I hope you'll take a look at it. Um, once I get it done and what it does, it looks at, because there are, I want this council service to be available and accessible to anybody who wants to serve, who has a desire to serve on this council. In some ways it may be prohibitive. And in some ways there are people who want to contribute more. Um, while we do, while it is in the charter and put in that we are a part-time council, um, you know, as well as I do that while it says that in writing, we are not a part-time legislative body. Um, that's why I think we're all happy when we get those breaks in December and June, um, June and July, excuse me. But what the modernization initiative would do is to look at the opportunity to have a legislative track and an enhanced legislative track of service to the council. And it's a way of being able to share that the council does more work than just on a part-time basis while our committees, um, are meeting every other week and our council meets the weeks on the converse of that. I think it's important that we look at the fact that, um, the work that these members put in for this community be, be shown. And I think this modernity modernization initiative that shows that this really is a full-time legislative body, um, be reflected. And so that's what this is about. Um, I would love you to, obviously you've had, uh, you're our dean for lack of a better term. Uh, you've been here longer than all of us. And so you have that understanding. I believe you and I can count Lex Hester as, as people we knew well and friends and people we've sat with. And Lex, as you know, was the architect of consolidation. Um, one of the main architects to help move it forward. And I've sat with him and talked with him about consolidation and what it meant for not just the city government as a whole, but council as well. Um, I think there is a way for us to modernize and still be true to what the framers of consolidation believed should happen. But I do think we must find a way to look at what we do, share that with people and also make room for more to come into this space and to serve. So I'm looking at this as something that when I leave, you leave Tyrone, all of us, when we're gone, I want to make sure that the institution not just remains, but remains stronger and more resilient because we were able to change with the time. So I just want to put that bug in here. Are you saying that some, are you saying that it would become a full-time job? I don't look at this as a job. I don't think any of us could look at this as a job. Um, I just don't think it's possible. I can't see this because if it was, we'd be real underpaid. Um, so, but let me tell you what the idea, the idea would be you can choose a legislative track or an enhanced legislative track. One would allow it to, I won't say service as usual, but it would be service as you deem fit for it, but you would not be able to have any outside full-time employment consulting and or small businesses as in your case would be acceptable, but you could not have an outside full-time position. If you chose the enhanced track, it would still allow those people because the only thing that the charter speaks to, um, and I'm so glad we have councilwoman Clark Murray here. The only person in charter speaks to our teachers specifically teachers are called out in the charter, certified teachers are the only thing that it carves out for a profession. And, um, I, you, you may or may not know, but while I am, you know, the last 10 years of my life or so, I've spent an education. Um, I was not teaching obviously on the K through 12 level. I was teaching on collegiate level. I was told, um, and we've, we've gone through it and there's been a charter change because of it, but I had to fight all the way to Tallahassee, uh, to be able to, to do what I went to get a doctorate to do. And that's teach on the collegiate level, because it was said that, wait a minute, that's public employment and you can't do that. Um, and there was, and get it, there's you served with Gwen Chandler, right? And Gwen worked at FSCJ was the same thing, but it depends on who's sitting in the seat, what the interpretation is. So I think there should be an opportunity because I want everybody to be, have the opportunity to serve. I also want to be able to, to, I want people to understand that this is while it does say part time. And I say that all the time, you know, as well as I do, there's no way, I know we spend more when you're reading agendas. I see, uh, all of us at different times, but I know when I'm here on the weekend, sometimes I'll see Tyrona. Um, I'll see, uh, Chris Miller. I'll see others coming in, looking at stuff, sitting there outlining it besides the fact of when they're not even in this building, they're sending emails, they're on the phones, they're going to community meetings, CPAC meetings, meetings with constituents, whatever the case may be. And so I think we do need to speak to that. And I think this would show, um, what we do and make sure that it is not just memorialized, but also protected. I look forward to reading it. Thank you. Thank you. So I just think right away, what I think about is just, I know you use the term legislative track. So when you say legislative track, let me tell you what popped into my mind. Um, um, the state legislature and the fact that that's the way they track a bill. So I would just add service in there. Okay. And I, I don't know you, I'm sure you're still formulating how you're going to word everything, but just add service because of the fact that, you know, what we do is it's a service public service. I would add that and just tracking. Actually, I thought about the way that, um, bills in Tallahassee are tracked. So I was thinking more along the lines of you were just talking about a particular bill or the way bills are presented to the public as opposed to this particular bill and specifically how council members haven't, will have an option to serve. You could serve in a sense part-time and we know what that means because I tell people all the time, it's a, it's a part-time job, but it's a full-time position. And it's really more than that. Because people, I disappear on the weekends, you know, you know, I can't go because I'm reading all these bills and I'm going to read them. So I'll know what it is that I'm making, saying yes or no to, because that's important to me because I know these bills impact people's lives. And some people may not think of it that way, but I do. And I take it very seriously. So I think that, I think that's smart. I like the idea of that. Um, I don't know how, how it will go over because some people, their livelihood, they make a lot more money in the private sector than they do at council, but that, that's something in addition to. So I get it, but I think it's a wonderful idea. Yeah. I'll make a lot less money in the private sector because I am. Because you are, same here. Yes, yes, yes. It goes both ways, but I look, I look, I look forward to reading it. Thank you. And, um, I, I'm, I'm, I'm open any, any and all ideas, as long as it doesn't tear apart the fabric of consolidation. And I know that's near and dear to your heart. And I gotta tell you, and, and I, and I'm, I'm going to take this moment on, on, on the soapbox while I got one. Um, and I wish more of my colleagues were here, but I hear more and more, um, council members talk about doing things and, and it is, and it's an idea that tears at the foundation of our consolidated government. And I just go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we can't, we can't do that. Um, and, uh, and so that, um, so my antennas go up when, when I hear some, um, suggestions as such, not, not yours, but I'm just saying when, when I hear, um, or, or, or when I see the council try to, uh, get around like the general council. I, I, I, that's not what we're supposed to be doing. Um, and, um, and I, I think that, uh, when I'm gone, you know, you and council member Tyrone, y'all are going to have to be guardians of that. They'll be guardians of it. Um, we are so lucky to have this consolidated government, so lucky and it works. If we'll just let the damn thing work, but, but, but, you know, it's worth fighting for, but, but when a council member doesn't, when the OGs, when the general council doesn't give us our opinion, give us our way on our opinion, you know, a couple of times, and then we have to introduce resolution and we have no confidence. You know what, let me tell you that this, I don't know who you could be talking about. Wait, can I, can I say this? This is, I love these meetings. Can I ask you this, Matt? Isn't it interesting though, how, and I got to say this, and I'm probably going to catch some flack for this, but it's so interesting how the general council is horrible when it's not the decision you want, but when it's the decision you like, this is the most brilliant legal theorist and legal mind that's ever come to earth. The first opinion I wanted from Michael Fackler, he was against it. And, and, and I, and I spent two weeks trying to convince him otherwise, and it was on the Lower Street Trio. But you know what, here's the thing is sometimes as right as you think you are, there's some things that are bigger than your opinion. And that is keeping the pillars of consolidation intact. That is bigger than my little opinion, my little want. And, um, and that office is what is the glue that holds this government together. Just like that's what I think Ed Austin used to say. Um, and, and it's so easy to get away from that. And, and, and, and, and now we're away from that and it, it's, it's not been good for the city anyway. Um, I don't think, um, all right. Do we want to go to public comment? Yeah. You got anything? Come on, John, get on up there and give us some public comment. Huh? How many minutes? Three. Three. All right. Three minutes. Thank you. All right. Oh, Tyrona, why don't you just, you know what, I'm going to stay like focused on the bill. I'm just going to be talking about Warren. And let me just say this, you know, I got my FWC hat, you know, it's a play off the Fish and Wildlife Commission. And you know what, I'm going to be calling it the Fish Warren Challenge. And, and I'll tell you why, you know, Warren Jones, you know, uh, he's got a shirt, you know, he'll be in the movie. And back when he was on the city council, you know, this is the downtown Jacksonville map, you know, and Tyrona, it's right here. This is big. I shared this with everybody, but you know what, that's his kayak launch and it's not listed on the map. It's right here. And we stood right there. He's instrumental in that. So I went to that meeting with McCoy's Creek. And so when we're marketing to the world, you know, and this is 2025, we're six months into 26. I mean, who's responsible for that mess up? That's huge. And so anyway, you know, I just want to just share with you that, you know, and I have a whole thing that I was just going to go through, but I've come to, you know, like stay on the bill. I'm just going to stay with that with Councilman Jones. And so when you talk to him next time, just say, Hey, you got a shirt. He's in the movie and go look at this and it is the best launch. We stood right there on that bank and he made it happen. And I'll tell you something when, you know, when you looked at all the waterway access points going back a number of years, a lot of them, I mean, I had no clue about this one was identified and you know, what, and that's his district. That was his district. So, uh, that's Jacksonville history right there. And so whatever you, or whatever direction or whatever happens, you know, Councilman Jones, you know, uh, you know, you, you, you know, he gets, he gets an A in my book and, uh, I just, I'll, I'll just leave it at that. And, uh, boy, this is probably the only time I'm just going to try and stay focused, not on the bill, but on what y'all are really just kind of talking about. So thank you for the opportunity to speak. It doesn't happen everywhere. And, um, thank you. Thank you.