mosquitoes because they are a threat to public health. There are many mosquito born illnesses that they can pass on to humans and other animals therefore we want to mitigate their populations and we're only spraying whenever we have justification and that could come from our surveillance data or from our inspectors who go out and are looking at different larval production sites every single day. We don't have a spray schedule because everything we do is based on data that we collect so it's based on the number of mosquitoes that we find in our traps every day. It's based on what the inspectors are finding out in the field if they're finding a lot of breeding they'll obviously treat then but we don't have a set schedule because everything is based on data that we find. We don't do any individual spray requests you can always submit a request for spray a request for a property inspection or report any standing water that you have around your house and we'll come send out an inspector they'll come look at that area see if it's breeding and then based on the data that they find we'll see if that area is eligible for treatment but we don't do treatment based on special events. We're spraying right at sunset because dawn and dusk are the most active times for mosquitoes so in order for our treatments to be the most effective we obviously want to treat when the mosquitoes are most active and we're gonna be able to mitigate the population best at those times. Most people to the untrained eye are gonna sit here and say that this owner starved for dogs. We're gonna head up to that dog hall right now so we'll go out we'll assess the situation. I'm looking at these dogs I'm like garbage I mean that's just like did you see there's facts through there. She was very upset about losing all of her cats she she called me up a few times in tears. I need my photos I need to be able to paint this picture for the judge so that he sees what I see. The meeting of your planning commission the official local planning agency for the cities of Tampa, Temple Terrace, Plant City and unincorporated Hillsboro County. The planning commission provides innovative leadership and long-range vision that contributes to the creation of a thriving prosperous community that offers opportunity fairness and choice in how we live move learn work and play. For more information about the planning commission please call 813-272-5940. follow us on social media or visit our website at plan hillsboro.org. Good afternoon welcome to the November 9th 2026 regular meeting of the Hillsboro County City County Planning Commission. We thank you for attending this meeting your comments and participation are encouraged. 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For action items the meeting will be conducted as follows. The agenda will be introduced. Staff will then give their presentation with a 15 minute time limit. The applicant will be given the opportunity to make a presentation within a 15 minute time limit. Following presentations members of the public may address the Planning Commission when recognized by the chair. Public comments will be heard for three minutes per person. The applicant will then be afforded time for rebuttal or response. Planning commissioners will ask questions. Public comments will be closed. Then upon a motion a second and discussion a vote will be taken. With that introduction Commissioner Sieben please lead us in invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance. All rise. We are thankful for this day that you have given us blessings. It's she and you for strength and guidance to make decisions that are in the best interest of the entire community. Help us recognize our differences and mobilize them for the good of the community and pledge allegiance to the states of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible. Can we please get a roll call from the clerk? Good afternoon. Bowden? Present. Cardenas? Present. Jemison? Present. Kugler? Present. Linkus? Here. Sieben? Sink? Present. Orton? Here. Rodriguez? Here. Lauk? Present. You have a quorum sir. Thank you. The next item of business is approval of minutes of the September 14th, 2026 hearings. The Hillsboro City County Planning Commission regular meeting minutes. Hillsboro County Planning Commission Public Hearing on Public Hearing of City of Tampa Plan Amendments and the Hillsboro County Planning Commission Public Hearing on Hillsboro County Plan Amendments. Do I have a motion? I take that motion. Second. Motion and second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Okay. Our next item of business is the election of officers which will be conducted by our attorney Tracy Robin. Good afternoon everyone. It's that time of year again. We usually start with the position of chair and ask if there are any additional nominations in addition to those who were who expressed interest in the seat at the last meeting. So at this time I'll ask if there are any. Okay. My understanding that you have ballots in front of you with the two folks who have expressed interest in interest Commissioner Lauk and Commissioner Sink. If you'll mark your nomination or your selection and print your name on there I'll come around and collect those. I wondered if I could make a comment. I'm not sure what the right timing is but I was hoping to do so before we voted. But you can continue voting but before any announcements were made. I thought it would be a good time at this moment. It's something I've thought about over the years quite a bit to introduce the possibility of term limits. And I never wanted to do that while someone was acting as chair because there was certainly no personal judgment. It's just something that I think makes a lot of sense. That's a norm in a lot of public bodies. I know I'm in my role where you know in my job we have a shared governance piece and it's very very oriented towards switching out the roles and and changing things out. And it just strikes me that that would benefit this group. So I wondered if there could be some discussion around that. And I just wanted to make sure to get that out there before it seemed in any way a personal issue because it's most certainly not. So my so I guess the question is or do you mean term limits in terms of um who's the leadership is or term limits in terms of time on the planning commission? I originally was thinking of it as a chair piece but I honestly feel like it could be beneficial all around for all of these roles. I'm less familiar with sort of you know if you have trouble kind of getting folks appointed or if there's you know but I think it potentially kind of two terms and then a roll off and take a break kind of thing that's something that I'm really familiar with. It may be a good opportunity to see if staff could look at some other models and find out what else is out there. Um but I I'd certainly be open to both but I do think it's just something that would keep um you know keeps fresh ideas. It keeps new perspectives at the forefront so I'd like to propose that we at least maybe see if maybe staff could look at this as an issue and see what some norms are. If that's okay um sure staff can certainly take a look at um I know we have an example in the tpo even they have I think the chair for two terms and then they rotate or it changes um so uh we certainly can look at some different examples of different boards um traditionally the appointment of each jurisdiction's representatives has been handled by the jurisdiction so um I I don't know we'd have to probably take a closer look at what whether or not there's some ability to influence them having term limits but certainly in terms of the election of officers that one I think we could get you some information for the next meeting. I think that would be great I would appreciate it thank you. It would require a change to the bylaws yeah. I think it's something worth looking at and discussing as a group. Yeah. Chair. Thank you. Thank you. Sorry I'm missing one I'm trying to figure out who I'm missing. We should have eight. Yeah. Okay. All right I have the other one of the commissioners gave me all all their votes so um sorry about the suspense there. I have um commissioners link us sink and kugler uh voting for commissioner sink that's three and I have five votes for commissioner laut being biden giovanni or I'm sorry cardenas uh commissioner sieben lauk and um jameson excuse me so congratulations mr chair all right let's move on to vice president if you've got uh your ballots for that and you'll just give me that one I appreciate it. Can I sorry can I say something before we vote on this one um can I remove myself from consideration for this one and add commissioner sink and then move myself to member at large. Nominate yourself for any other one or or remove yourself so the answer is essentially yes um let me give so that uh sorry to throw a wrench in let me get these back to everyone so and who was who was the nominee so if I could if I could remove myself from vice chair and add in commissioner sink and then add myself to member at large. So if you're making a change just make it clear please. Okay one more time can I remove myself from vice chair but write in commissioner. No no I was speaking to everyone about their ballots. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I think we understood. Okay. The proposal. Tracy if I may to keep a tradition alive that I saw the former chair do we would he would usually nominate at least a second person so we had elections for each of these offices other than his own and I would nominate commissioner bowden as well for this if he chooses to accept I guess for vice chair. Commissioner who? Bowden. Everybody clear on that? I mean work today. I'm a lawyer not an accountant. Yes. Yes. I've got um two votes for commissioners um for commissioner bowden from uh commissioner sink and commissioner jameson. I have uh five votes for commissioner sink um commissioner linkus commissioner sink commissioner bowden commissioner cardenas commissioner sieben and commissioner kugler. I think you said commission six votes. I think you said commissioner sink twice so who voted for commissioner bowden? My handwriting is awful but I don't know if it's that awful. Bowden was voted for by commissioner sink and commissioner jameson. Lauk. I probably maybe I wrote your name down in the wrong slot when I was doing the two new nominees. These are the two mm-hmm. It's usually smooth. They didn't put their name on it. I'm sorry this one doesn't have a name on it. They didn't put their name on it. We got scratch outs and one box voted for the other box. I probably didn't put my name on it. Tracy I'll take that second vote please. Probably. Yes it is. Okay. Confuse me here. Mr. Sink's got the chair or the vice chair. Okay let's try that again now for a member at large. Okay I'm confused. We have two applicants for a member at large now. Yeah. All right for a member at large we have votes from commissioner Sieben and sink for commissioner Sieben. So that's two votes for commissioner Sieben. We have votes for commissioner Bowden from commissioner Lauk, Linkus, Cardenas, Bowden, Kugler and jameson. So congratulations to commissioner Fountain. Thank you. I had some some other ballots up here for TPO alternative and TPO member. Yes the planning commission votes on the TPO member first usually and then right. Let's do the TPO member. Can I ask? Oh please. No go ahead. Oh I'm sorry I just wanted to ask it looks like like for example Sink is on there but he's already in another role um and Ian you are so could could it be duplicate or people can serve in more than one role. Is that what I'm trying to say? Yes they can. Yes real quick Tracy before you collect I was going to pull my name out of this one out of the TPO. I don't think it matters but I'm going to anybody. He's like it doesn't matter. Commissioner please take an opportunity to amend your ballot. Hey Chad. Okay I have I have one vote for commissioner Kugler from commissioner Kugler. I have three votes for commissioner Sink from commissioner Sink, Linkus and Cardenas and four votes which is the prevailing number here for commissioner Jemison from commissioner Loutk, Sieben, Bowden and Jamison. So congratulations. All right we're finally at the last one TPO alternate. Okay I've got three votes for commissioner Kugler from commissioners Loutk, Sink and Kugler and I have five votes for commissioner Bowden from commissioners Linkus, Cardenas, Bowden, Jemison and Sieben. Congratulations. I'll turn it back over to you Mr. Chair. Thank you Mr. Robin. Okay do we have anything else on elections? We have appointees and I think we're going to that's okay with everyone if there's any motions against it let me know but we're going to put that on chair's business for the next meeting so we're better prepared to go through them if everybody's good with that. So moving on to our action items we have port Tampa based oh I'm sorry yes thank you or it's going to be rough for the first couple meetings folks I promise you our public input items not scheduled on the agenda there are none we're moving on to our action items we're going to go with item a port Tampa Bay standard work permit number 25-039 Andrew Lucia Yacht Club Inc presenter Diego Guerra. Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen Diego Guerra planning commission staff this is Tampa Bay port Tampa Bay port standard work permit 25-039 the Andalusia Yacht Club the permit was submitted to us by Port Tampa Bay for review for a consistency review with the comprehensive plan for unincorporated Hillsborough County per chapter 95-488 and 97-351 of laws of Florida the Yacht Club is located southeast of Macdale Air Force Base as indicated on the map on the lower right hand side in the Apollo Beach community specifically along the barrier island there on the south end and then this is an overview of the yacht club the request is to replace well I'm sorry to remove replace and rebuild the the marina the boat lifts will remain in place the current conditions of the site consists the marina consists of 64 slip here that's approximately a a little over 10 000 square feet the piers constructed of wood moorings pylons finger piers and access walkways per the the site survey there was no submerged aquatic vegetation was observed the bottom consists of soft muddy substrate not conducive to beneth benethic sorry communities and then as you can see in the previous minute image which was taken at low tide and the current image on along the shoreline it the mangroves do line the shoreline the proposed project replaced as I mentioned is to replace the existing marina main access walkway or pier the east-west access points and all docks a b c and d as I and as I mentioned all existing boat lifts will remain in place which are annotated on the right on the two images by the little uh hash marks slash pound signs on each slip to indicate where the both slips are located the proposed replacement will sit approximately a foot and a foot and a half higher than the current um structure in order to improve uh resiliency and functionality of the uh facility uh main access pier and east-west piers will be widened from five feet to six feet uh in order to provide better safe better access and safer access and meet ada compliance requirements uh there's no new overall water word structures that will be increased um or that will exist with the replacement and the structure because of those uh widening access uh will increase to 12 000 a little over 12 000 square feet uh the project consists uh the project consists solely of replacing the structure uh so there are no new um structures being constructed no new shading there's no habitat loss as I mentioned the uh the bottom is just a muddy substrate uh and no adverse impacts will be uh done to the fish habitat um the staff reviewed the permit and found it consistent with marines marine sighting guidelines found under the coastal management section of the comprehensive plan uh also found it consistent with waterfront development within the future land use section and then water and surface water um policies within the uh environmental and sustainability sections of the comprehensive plan um at this time planning commission staff does recommend that the planning commission find the permit consistent with the goals objectives and policies of the conference plan for unincorporated hillsborough county um that concludes my presentation um the applicant does have a presentation that he will be presenting as well thank you can we hear from the applicant please afternoon ladies and gentlemen my name is bob witzler i am the commodore and chair of the yacht club here to represent our board and our members give you a little deeper information on the project out at andalusia first who we are um we are an attached marina to the andalusia community um we are a separate florida not-for-profit from our homeowners association with our own five-member board we are put in place to manage the improvements on the submerged land lease and that is our only responsibility we have 64 members because we have 64 slips out at the marina diego showed you some photographs but these are some uh overheads as well showing you two angles you can see that the main walkway comes out from a small parking lot and it is attached to what is lot g the plot that the submerged lance lease is connected with from the port authority i wanted you to understand why we're in a replacement situation back in 2022 responding to some increased maintenance costs we commissioned a local engineering firm to do a full inspection of our facilities pretty comprehensive and they found that nearly half of the piles that they sampled were we have a i forget the name of the worm but it's an invent it's a worm that creates wood damage the piles were unwrapped for a great deal of their life and in the end the engineering firm recommended that we move forward with a full replacement so at the at the end of the day we're facing a the the construction began in 1993 and we're at the end of useful life for the wood facilities that are in place out there since that time we have gone through all of the required steps to prepare for our project we have completed design engineering plans and electrical engineering plans and you can see the status of our additional permitting corps of engineers florida eep is complete and we have no objection with some understandable and reasonable conditions from epc port tampa bay is our last approval with today being a big step in in that process we have remaining once we receive the port tampa bay permit our our invitation to bid is complete and our instructions to bidders is complete and we will release that our design engineering firm is handling that action for us although the source selection committee will be comprised of yacht club board and advisory committee members we hope to award a contract in early 2027 and get right to business as soon as we can in early summer of 2027 as well with uh intent to fit it in between the um the heavy weather seasons appropriately with that i'll stand for any questions that you may have thank you do we have any questions from the commissioners commissioner sink one question this is a gated community so is the land owned by the homeowners association or is the land owned by the port authority the land on which the marina sits is submerged land owned by the port authority and that submerged lands lease has been in place the entire history of the the marina it is attached to a physical lot in our subdivision lot g understood so the cost for this renovation is this coming from county funds or is this coming from the marina itself no sir it is entirely self-funded by the marina itself by the members of the club okay awesome thank you commissioner linkus um this seems like a sensible project to me but i have a question for my education that i think is more for mr gara um i'm just curious i don't think i've ever seen a work permit before us um and i was just curious if you could educate me on when we review work permits uh yes ma'am so the river board where the planning commission will receive standard work permits uh they're submitted by both epc and the port tampa bay for projects on waterways in various jurisdictions that need to be found consistent or inconsistent with the comprehensive plan of those jurisdictions do we don't get many very often we get about maybe three a year three or four a year majority of the permits that we do receive are minor work permits uh and those are reviewed by uh if they are on the hillsborough river those are reviewed by the hillsborough river board uh for consistency with the river master plan uh but in general that's the extent of uh the review process for for us and the river board thanks commissioner bowden yeah uh for the applicant just i guess just my general education um about how long do you think this replacement will take and secondly uh sister is presently wood are you what other type of material you're using i'll start with the second question sir we have elected to remain with uh treated wood piles as they are um they will retain the same design life as the existing structure uh 25 to 30 years we looked at other options but this is a self-funded project and um it it became cost prohibitive to consider some more permanent materials and methods on the um timeline that's going to vary greatly with the contractor chosen we are optimistic that the size of this project will be sufficient to lure someone a large contractor that'll be able to do it relatively quickly as you could imagine with 64 members and as you can see a great deal of boats out there we'll have to move all of those during the construction period we would like this band-aid to come off fairly quickly if possible it's going to depend on the contractor's organic capabilities regarding the ability to drive piles etc okay any more questions from the commissioners oh sorry commissioner jimison it's more curiosity than anything are you uh are they currently floating docks and are you going back with floating docks they are fixed sir um but as as diego mentioned we have elected to raise the elevation um we are um at times flooded um above where our conduits and other infrastructure occurs in the bay um at its current design level we consulted not only with our design engineer with but also with several local counties and determined that there's been a change uh in the rise above datum that that most of these work projects are using and so we elected to follow that lead thank you okay thank you thank you sir do we have anyone signed up from the public for comment okay at this time we'll close the public hearing and open up to any questions or comments from the commissioners seeing seeing none do i hear a motion commissioner linkus um i'd like to make a motion to find this work permit consistent with the comprehensive plan second motion made by commissioner linkus seconded by commissioner jimison uh all in favor say aye aye aye thank you all right our next action item oh there we go told you the first two meetings we're going to be rough do we have any opposed that i misread the room thank you okay moving on to plant city fiscal year 27 through fiscal year 31 capital improvements element cie schedule of projects update our presenter is katrina corcoran good afternoon um erica larson will actually present be presenting this virtually so i'm helping her get through the presentation thank you good afternoon this is erica larson planning commission staff this item is the planning commission's review of the city of plant city capital improvements element schedule projects this is an action item next chapter 163 requires that the schedule of projects or the list of projects addressing level of service and adopted in the comprehensive plan be updated on an annual basis the update will replace existing cie schedule in the comprehensive plan with the schedule listed in your packets city staff identify projects in the cie that affect the level of service these items make up the schedule of projects chapter 163 also requires the cis to include basin management action plan be map projects to be updated annually the update is accomplished by ordinance which is explicitly permitted under chapter 163 additionally the plans of other agencies are incorporated there are four main categories included in the cie scheduled streets which include sidewalks bridges bridges and other pedestrian enhancements utilities maintenance and operations which includes both water and sewer projects stormwater and parks and recreation the total five-year funding amount for these projects is approximately 97.5 million the planning commission staff examined the cie schedule with respect to the goals objectives and policies and the comprehensive plan a few of these policies are identified here with the full list of policies identified in the staff report the schedule is consistent with capital improvements policy 1.1.14 which states that the top priority for funding is repairs or replacement of obsolete or worn out facilities a majority of the projects meet this description the cie schedule is consistent with public facilities objective 1.2 requiring coordination with the 10-year water supply facilities work plan the cie schedule furthers the intent of the infrastructure sub elements which includes language that states provide quality infrastructure and services to residents and then enhancing transportation options planning commission staff recommends the city's fiscal year 27 through fiscal year 31 cie schedule projects be found consistent with the goals objectives and policies of the plant city comprehensive plan and that this recommendation be forwarded to city count commission for approval this concludes my presentation i'm available for any questions that you have on staff review and plant city staff is available online for any questions as well thank you thank you well done would anyone from plant city like to make a presentation or just online for questions just online for questions great okay moving to uh planning commissioner questions oh commissioner sink uh just got a quick question so when these are getting added to the work plan this has nothing to do with the actual funding so this could get approved and there could be no funding mechanism due to lack of revenue coming in over the next five years since that's how they're projecting out the the costs could be over the next five years but there might not be the revenue to support those costs is that correct sorry what was that i was just going to say i'm letting you answer because everyone's looking at me but i was going to let you answer yeah um erica larson planning commission staff so there are a variety of funding for the capital improvements um but i robin is online um she might be able to better answer that question as far as if all the funding is expected to still be available good afternoon and for the record robin baker director of planning and zoning for the city of plant city um when the c ie projects are broken down um essentially you know certain types of funding funding is is allotted for those different projects and for the most part the only thing coming from general revenue is about seven percent of that funding so to my knowledge that's the only thing that may be affected by amendment three um other than that it's through grants and opportunities and a lot of these projects are broken down you know per year as we get through um each one of those projects some may be finished faster than that or may have you know further improvements um but obviously we reassess this every single year this comes before you as an update so we will reassess this time next year and do the same thing and if there's not funding available for something then obviously this list will will change any other questions from the commissioners okay were there any public comments on this no okay with that we'll close and open up to any more comments or questions from the commissioners seeing none we are open for a motion commissioner bowden i i find that i recommend that we find the plant city fy 27 fy 31 capital improvement element schedule the projects update be accepted second motion made for consistency by commissioner bowden seconded by commissioner kugler all those in favor say aye aye anyone opposed say nay thank you thank you okay that concludes our action items for this evening we're moving on to briefings and presentations first up the temple terrace land development code ldc text amendment section 12-236 subsection c7 planned research office facilities zoning regulations and our presenter is this is a briefing so no action is required at this time i will turn this um over to miss elissa livingston with the temple terrace commissioners uh what the item before you is a publicly initiated plan amendment to the temple terrace land development code again section 12-236 c7 this relates to the planned research office facilities zoning regulations this is a briefing so no action is required at this time i will turn this um over to miss elissa livingston with the temple terrace community development department and she'll present an overview of the pose the proposed amendment following her presentations um both of us will be here to answer any questions you may have good afternoon i'm elissa livingston senior planner for the city of temple terrace today i will be presenting a privately initiated application requesting a text amendment to the city's land development code pertaining to the planned research office facility zoning district the proposed amendment seeks to clarify and expand the types of light industrial manufacturing uses permitted within the district specifically addressing warehouse uses and establishing a maximum floor area ratio for those uses currently section 12-236 c7 identifies light industrial manufacturing as a permitted use within the planned research office facility zoning district the applicant proposes to amend this language to specifically include warehouses subject to a maximum floor area ratio of 0.35 the proposed far limitation location is intended to establish a maximum development intensity for these uses the proposed warehouse floor area ratio of 0.35 can be considered in relation to the existing development standards established for the the pro f zoning district under section 12 507 d the table on the screen identifies the district's existing maximum building coverage and building height requirements along with the proposed maximum far applicable to warehouses it is important to note that the applicant is proposing an additional intensity limitation construction for warehouses within the pro f zoning district rather than replacing the existing dimensional standards currently section 12236 c10 of the land development code permits warehouses only for research and service centers and requires that their principal function be tied to research and development the proposed amendment to section 12236 c7 expands light industrial manufacturing to include warehouses up to a maximum far of 0.35 this broadens warehouse eligibility within the pro f zoning district without the requirement of a primary research and development function the applicant's representative is also here and available for any questions thank you okay do we have any questions from the planning commissioners all right seeing none we will move on to our next briefing and presentation we're moving on to item b transportation planning organization state of the system report and our presenter is miss elizabeth watkins good afternoon planning commission elizabeth watkins planned hillsborough staff primarily supporting the transportation planning organization and i'm really appreciative of the opportunity to share with you today our 2026 state of the system so the purpose of the state of the system is to track over time how the transportation system in the county is growing and performing this information is really important because we firmly believe what's tracked gets measured and managed and helps identify needs to continue to improve our transportation network the state of the system is in alignment with the five long-range transportation goals which are to maximize opportunities to leverage technology operational improvements to reduce congestion maintain the transportation assets that we have today promote safety in every project that we have in front of us promote multimodal options and advocate for projects that help move people and goods so before i get too wonky and transportation we'll start off with some high level facts and figures over uh describing the community so surprise to no one hillsborough county is growing by 2050 we expect to have over 2 million people living here and to help kind of bring context to that that's almost like adding a whole nother population of the city of tampa into hillsborough county so lots of interest lots of growth as you all know hillsborough county is a great place to do business so we're continuing to see an increase of jobs to support those new residents but also relocations of of businesses we also wanted to look at um we know all this growth is coming but where exactly are we projecting to see those highest density increases and you can see of course downtown tampa urban core lots of investment and redevelopment happening there but also in east county to plant city looking to the south county in ruskin apollo beach we're seeing um we're seeing plans and projections to increase that density over the next 2025 years so segueing to transportation how do all these people get around today well most people um choose to drive whether that's alone or with a carpool to work there's also a substantive percentage of the hillsborough county workforce that work remotely i've seen figures you know 15 20 percent and then we have a small but modest um group of of workers who walk bike or use transit to get to work also probably not a shocker to anyone but congestion has gotten worse um i think it's easy to first assume oh it's all those newcomers to the county that's causing the congestion on our roadways but when we dived into the data and compared 2022 to 2024 we found there was only a four percent uh increase in population but that delay like the the average time it takes a trip was increased by 50 percent so what that's really telling us is that we are seeing congestion more widespread throughout the network and at more times of the day than we would have probably pre-covid and it's shots it's not just some numbers on a map congestion matters and it has a cost so when we looked at that data it averaged out to about three days for an average hillsborough county commuter that was just stuck in traffic and that has a cost financially whether that's time lost at work or cost and fuel but it's also time with families being late to work our practices so constantly thinking about how can we make our transportation system more efficient now segueing to our state of good repair goal which again is about maintaining the assets that we have today so this map is showing the condition of pavement on state highway facilities within hillsborough county and there's some great news here because florida statutes require that 80 percent be an excellent or good condition but we're lucky here in hillsborough county to have a great dot where they keep it at 85 percent or higher these red areas might be catching your eye this segment on i-75 there's an active project out there today expecting construction to be completed in 2028 so that will flip to green next time i come before you as well as this segment on causeway boulevard that has recently come to completion and is now in the green which is great news not of a not as positive of a story when we look at our transit system almost 60 percent of the buses and hearts fleet are past the useful life as defined by the federal transit administration which says is it 12 years older or have more than 500 000 miles when we were pouring over this data we found a few buses that had over 800 000 miles when you think about that i think it speaks to the great job that hearts mechanics are doing keeping the buses on the roads rather than in the mechanic shop but it's a real need there is a little bit of a success story that's coming in the next update heart won a 30 million dollar grant to replace its remaining diesel buses so those will be reflected in the next state of the system report and they will be phasing out all of their diesel buses by 2028 which is which is great news one area that continues to be a persistent problem for the county is safety we're always near the top of the list of a rank of fatal serious serious injury or fatal crashes fourth in florida um we know a lot of that can be um there there's a correlation between speed and safety so we found when we were looking over the data that over 70 percent of those crashes occurred on roadways that have a speed limit that's 40 miles per hour or higher and that's intuitive right you're going faster it's harder to stop there's also bigger ramifications in a crash we also keep a really close eye on the statistics surrounding people who bike and walk because they're more vulnerable so while they are a smaller proportion of overall crashes the result is often worse so for bicycle crashes over 15 of those result in a fatal or serious injury and then 24 for people who are walking we're continuing to see growth in our um bike walk network modest growths in sidewalks bike lanes trails as well as a proliferation of over 120 micro mobility hubs throughout tampa in the usf area unfortunately the transit frequency so how often buses comes has gotten worse over time over half of hearts routes um have 60 minute service meaning one bus comes every hour which is a real challenge but there are there is some good news um there are a few routes particularly route one from downtown to usf and route six which goes through temple terrace east tampa to downtown those are very high productive and heart is able to allocate the resources to have the frequency um to serve those communities transit ridership has recovered since covid hearts back up to over 13 million trips per year one of the fastest transit agencies in florida to rebound um since 2020 and then taking a quick look at our other modes we all know we have one of the best airports in um in in the nation they're continuing to see increases in the number of flights and passengers and our partners over at port tampa bay continuing to see increase in cargo revenues much demand in cruise traffic and i know they are planning a new cruise terminal to come online in the next few years and then to wrap it up i love to promote when i can amtrak because we do have rail service in tampa actually union station is the second busiest amtrak station in all of florida so you can take a train from tampa to miami or or orlando unfortunately there's just one trip a day but it's there and union station is such a gem of a transportation asset so the big takeaways that we saw with this report is the growth is continuing both with people and jobs um we have to anticipate that and plan for that and get projects aligned to accommodate that growth congestion is continuing to spread we have to continue to look at creative operational ways to mitigate that our highway assets are doing great our transit system less so and safety has to continue to be the number one need so we can make sure everyone can get home safely the last thing i wanted to highlight is one new addition to our state of the system report is an interactive story map so you can see on this um video we wanted to give people an opportunity to interact with the data zoom into places that they care about so we have that up in in live for for people to explore tons and tons of transportation data at their fingertips so with that i'd be happy to take any feedback or questions you might have sorry i was thinking about the amtrak train commissioner jemison um i don't know if you can shut any light on it but i believe it was last year secretary hall with fdot gave a presentation to the plant city edc uh and talked about bright line and their extension from orlando or from the airport in orlando to disney and then on to tampa and uh some of the funding and preparation was tied to right line coming in to complete the expansion of the lanes and i4 do you know if that's still the case or have we moved beyond that i know fdot is continuing to preserve some of the highway right of way within i4 to accommodate that future connection i'm sure you're aware of the new um i4 express lanes projects which will add one lane in each direction so that continues to preserve that right of way and i'm not aware but we'll look into if there was any funding associated with making that connection and i can look back with miss oranita okay thank you okay commissioner kugler thank you um i saw your uh percentages of quality roads uh 85 are good uh eight percent are poor so the other seven percent are they drivable yes yes definitely there's a scale when it comes to pavement condition index all the way from excellent good moderate fair poor um honestly even the poor you can get around um that was a map of our state highway system unfortunately the local roads don't look as nice but um all of them are certainly navigable commissioner balton yeah um i was listening to you had mentioned about the uh increase in the particular areas plant city uh i4 corridor as well as south south shore uh and with that increase uh i didn't hear anything about what is the transportation outlook for those particular areas if you've got an increase and there's no transportation uh thought then yeah it definitely puts more cars on the road so the congestion is only going to get worse so i listened to the tpo meetings and i want to know what are the thoughts in regards to um those particular areas also um also anything as far as regional trying to help alleviate some of that congestion because some have become some other areas as well absolutely transportation doesn't stop at county lines so there is tons of investment going on um just off the top of my head the east county i mentioned there's going to be two new express lands on i4 that's going to construction next year so that's anticipating to remove some of that congestion and give some of those polk county far east county commuters a more reliable trip and an option south county um dot has plans to continue to upgrade us 301 which is a high travel corridor as well as widen i-75 so you're seeing those kinds of strategies in those more suburban areas and then i think when you're in your more dense areas like downtown tampa near the usf really the focus should be on optimization um whether that's retiming signals or giving helping better bus service or other options for people to travel so i think the the solution really depends on the context okay um timelines and one of the questions you mentioned about the diesel buses what are they going to be replaced with great question compress compressed natural gas okay any timelines on all of these highways and byways and the uh expansions um i uh can certainly send a table of some of those high dollar projects and send that to mr ornita i know again for sure i4 is a priority of dot and the governor so that is going to construction 2028 with i think an estimated open to traffic in 2030 2031. um but um if it best meets your need i could put together a table of some of those uh capacity projects and then their anticipated timeline in those areas if that would be helpful okay we'll do uh commissioner sink and then we'll come to you got a couple questions um on your projection slide um you had projections and where does that like what data point are the projections coming from so i'm sure you're very familiar with yeser gonzalez he does like amazing forecasts so we rely heavily on the planning commission's population um forecasts both in population and land use and then we have a transportation demand model that that's an input to that can show where future increased demand might go from a transportation perspective okay awesome and then i know that we're in the same district as pasco right for fdot yes so if our population in hillsborough because you said four percent in this hillsborough county's growth right but if pasco pinellas manatee or these other counties are showing larger increases but we're the job center is there any is there a way to like to look at holistically that the population growth in these markets are coming down into this one for the job center to make me understand better of a four percent yet a fifty percent increase in delay time well maybe that's pasco people right and it's their fault so i'm just wondering is there a data point on that like to talk about like where the traffic's actually coming from yes yes and i'm sorry i don't have a slide on it because there's so much data in this report but we have a slide in the report that shows those origin destinations like x number percentage of people who live in pasco commute to hillsborough so we have that data readily available so follow up to that so if that was added into it would that number of four percent show a higher number so the four percent was um the population growth rate but that's an excellent point you know again transportation doesn't stop at county lines so we we could take this a step further and look at the origin destination and have that factored in because i think sometimes like and and this is going to be the dicey subject which is expansion of 275 within the city of tampa impacts the residents of hillsborough county for the benefit of people outside of our system pasco county or other other markets and it's always nice to understand like who's paying the price for transportation of residents who don't even live in our market i guess is kind of where my question was going um mr rodina i just had a we have an interactive tool on our website called the tip transportation improvement plan mapping tool i'll send a link to it along with um if miss watkins is okay a copy of her presentation um but it shows all of the planned projects for the next five years that are funded with state or federal dollars and um has an interactive map you can zoom in and see where they are and what they are so that might be of interest to you all commissioner jimison a follow-up on my i4 question uh and bright line uh is could you provide uh at some point a um update on the status of bright line because it seems like that would help alleviate some of the traffic back and forth it's not necessarily workforce but travelers and tourists and so on potentially and then um most of the interstate type funding and f-dot funding comes from state and federal correct yes uh one thing that dot is very proud of is that they actually use 75 of state funds and only 25 federal but you're right it is state and federal that fund improvements to the interstate system all right and some of these expansions on the interstates with express lanes they'll be tow lanes is right so they'll help fund some of this for like people coming from pasco or coming from those areas yes okay thank you um i guess as we've got all this technology developing where are those conversations happening and how are those you know kind of incorporating into this and you know some of these projections that we have um i got it's just things are changing so rapidly and the ideas are to a certain extent it could be considered out there but they're also very real so um how is that incorporating into any of this is it at all so the state of the system is really kind of a look back in this case it was 2025 data and trying to see those big picture trends but your point is well taken that the growth is happening now and many agencies are delivering transportation improvements right like the counties the cities dot developers are also doing um are making improvements in real time so the purpose of this is really just to look at a 10 000 foot view and see what trends we're seeing um one new thing that we added i didn't add is we have a map in there that shows like melissa's or nita mentioned all the transportation projects that are planned and then ones that were completed in the past five years if people are interested in that okay all good questions i had one as well uh you sparked my mind when you mentioned trends have we modeled what it looks like you i think you called out 15 to 20 percent of the population is work from home maybe i jotted that down incorrectly in your presentation but what we've seen nationwide is a regression or progression back to the office if you will and have we modeled what that looks like in concert with the percentage of people we see nationwide going back to the office and what that could uh what toll that could take excuse the pun um on our on our commutes that's an excellent question i'd have to go back and talk with my team um and yasser as well about that so i don't have that off my fingertips but um point very well taken um awesome fantastic work anyone else question comment okay thank you so much thank you all right all right moving on we will slide to the executive director's report um good afternoon melissa zornita executive director um at your seats you have a copy of my report a couple of things that i wanted to highlight um as a in particular follow-up on things i discussed at the last meeting we've continued to attend meetings of what's loosely being called the west tampa group of neighborhoods um that have been meeting with different representatives of the city and county to discuss uh this the new stadium coming into their area and what planning needs to be done around that um they've had a number of representatives from different entities attend those meetings and give them sort of status updates uh and uh mr wong the executive director of the tpo um was able to identify funds to do a initial look at their transportation so what is the benchmarking transportation today around uh those neighborhoods and and when they have special events at raymond james and at steinbrenner field but um but understanding what the transportation lay of the land is now um to have a good understanding of what the impacts to come might be we believe that that information will help shape whatever future planning effort they want to look at for that area but that seems to still be something that's on the minds of the city and county elected officials um we were very pleased that on october 22nd the city of tampa um had first reading on the future land use the coastal management and the housing sections of the comprehensive plan and they all passed on first reading city council did make um a couple of modifications in that hearing they removed one of the transit ready corridors armenia avenue a certain segment of it from being a transit ready corridor they also modified the density so in some of the tampa land use categories i'll use community mixed use 35 as an example the today is adopted in the comprehensive plan you can go up to 30 units per acre and then you have to do some additional steps through a bonus provision agreement to get up to 35 we had proposed leaving that the way that it is in the coastal high hazard area and increasing the density in that category category and others up to the 35 units per acre um city council heard from a large number of residents who are unhappy with that increase in density um and so they uh essentially are making density be calculated the way it is today in the comprehensive plan then you will be able to bonus from 30 up to 35 in the coastal high hazard area or even higher now with the new bonuses that were in are being implemented for example in that cmu 35 category you'll be able to bonus outside of the coastal hazard area up to 70 units per acre so there's more bonus but the starting point of the bonusing was lowered in some of the categories if that makes sense so just to be clear the category cmu 35 it's not actually 35 right right it's cmu 30 really yeah why did we even create cmu 35 i guess is my question well it's been in the plan for a long time i'm not i i don't off the top of my head have all of the history of how it got to be the way that it is today but um we have for some of the categories dropped the number after it because it's so it just will be community mixed use now going forward but some categories um like the residential uh 50 is this residential 20 only give you 18 that might be right um there are a few of the residential categories that it still will sort of be a misnomer what the number is at the end of it so this it bothers me because somebody who bought a piece of property in cmu 35 thinking that they could get to 35 units per acre density wise now can't well they've never been able to get to it without doing something additional right um so they've always the a lot of the folks in the community like to call it the buy right density that bothers me because you don't even get 30 by right like you you you still have to go through a process to ask for the 30 so nothing's really by right but you can buy into the additional five you could buy into it you could do affordable a percentage of affordable housing those options will remain until the city updates their land development code to incorporate the new bonuses then folks will be using the new bonus structure that's outlined in the land development code but just so i'm clear people who purchased at the cmu 35 and thought that they could buy into the 35 now won't be able to buy into 35 at this time they will still be able to do that they just will have the option to go above that if they're outside of the coastal high hazard area but not if the city changes their land development code we'll have to see how they change the land development code and whether or not they allow the the payment for improvements option as one of the options still that's contemplated in the comprehensive plan to continue to have a capital improvements bonus but um we'll see what that looks like all of those details will be in the updated land development code but am i wrong in saying that we are restricting people's property rights so the city attorney has said that any of these bonuses above that buy right density are not a property right they are something that is extra somebody has to do something extra to get it so that has been their position that there is no limitation on their property rights they still have the same right to what they have today to me that's very subjective though because if right now and when you buy the property you can buy into 35 and then you that ability may be removed by the city's land development code determinations de facto you you know don't get the same option that you had when you bought the property i guess we'll have to see how the how the land development code changes um but uh the update of the comprehensive plan provides for other ways in addition to a capital improvements bonus to be able to increase density and the ability outside of the coastal hazard area as i said to go even higher so from the comprehensive plan standpoint i think it provides quite a bit more flexibility um you know right but if you bought cmu 35 in the coastal high hazard area you're kind of maybe up a creek unless you want to do affordable housing or some other yeah we will have to see which bonus options the city continues to allow in through the land development code that's something we have been meeting with them um and are anticipating that they will be bringing forward um early next year but that portion of the city attorney doesn't feel that this sort of flies in the face of that that's correct senate bill that's correct okay commissioner sink okay a couple questions and and um commissioner steven properly good point this number that isn't actually true has it ever been shown on the chart like if i went into and said r20 and it said the number of units like i know it's 18 um is there ever a chart that says for a person and what i'm asking for is like to make it easier on people looking for development right so like here's the actual number that it is before any additional things are done is there a chart today or is there been conversations about either cleaning up the language so that it actually represents the number can actually be or to give a resource to people looking at land to have a very clear concise saying here's a chart it's called r20 you can really get 18 and then bonus beyond there does that exist so it does um but he can correct me but i believe in the plan today the dent the the table of the future land use categories does say that it's not as perhaps clear as it could be and so we will be in the updated comprehensive plan have a very clear chart of what for every land use category the density is and then what you can get with a bonus what you can get with a bonus in the coastal eye hazard area versus outside the coastal eye hazard area so it will be much more clearly laid out than it is today but there is a table of all the land use categories in the plan today it's just maybe not as user friendly as we think it will be in the future and would it be possible for like this group because we have some really like bright people in here that do this day in day out to like actually look at it before it gets done and say hey here's my feedback on how this could be improved or brought be better before it's actually released out there and it's permanently done i guess would be a question for the comprehensive plan piece where you said they're doing that where they're going to have the new chart when they're doing it so that we could actually get like a sneak peek of like okay here's what the the end user is going to look at so that before we sure go all in on it well that was included in the draft that you all found consistent i don't know over a year or more ago um but um but i'm happy to to share what it looks like we are updating it based on city council's direction at first reading so i'm happy to share that with you all you all will get um an opportunity to also look at the land development code changes related to the density bonuses um that when once it is presented to city council and a workshop then that would come before you all for a briefing and action um sometime next year so you will get an opportunity to to weigh in again on those bonuses perfect um my other question is for the transit ready corridors i know some were removed some were added the hearing that was all done was dysfunctional to say the best um for what it was with the process where it is when a neighborhood association or neighborhood wants to get added back onto that list when would they be able to go to their officials and say hey i would like to add this street to the corridor so they can go to a city council member and ask them to raise that um anytime that it could uh we have a list of corridors that councilwoman her tack gave us that was october was the yeah in the october hearing that you the one that you said was a little chaotic um they um uh she gave us a list of corridors for us to look at next to add to the map so um that is something that uh we've had some preliminary conversations with city staff heart staff um about those corridors and we'll be bringing forward in the future if if a city council member wants to add some corridors to that um they could could ask us at any time we're happy to to study those it would take a comprehensive plan amendment to change that map so that then would come back before you all um at that time okay perfect and then i have one final question um and this is going to do with an hr and amendment three situation has there been a plan already in place was there a plan done in the situation that amendment three did pass for the staff and how our staffing levels will look for for the planning um commission so um and that was something i was going to get get to a little bit later in my report but i'm happy to discuss it thank you mr jameson had a question on the current topic and then we'll go okay yeah so is there any potential that going back to uh investors have potentially bought land under the current conditions or what they thought they could do is there any potential for any grandfathering uh for if they bought with a certain period of time um once once the change takes place so i think because the comprehensive plan will continue to allow them to go above the 30 units per acre that grandfathering would have to come with the land development code um but if they change the way that they can get to 35 so if for example they they were to say we today you can pay x amount and go forward um and now you can't then they would have to then they would potentially be looking at a grandfathering to that but the comprehensive plan continues to allow people to have a path to go from 30 to 35 and as i said go above that which is new that hadn't existed before but that is only enabled outside of the coastal high hazard area but that's a good point that we can bring up to city the city as they're working on the code portion of this so thank you thank you sure commissioner seaman i just want to go on record saying that i disagree that it's not more restrictive or burdensome to take away people's by right ability to buy into the density of the land that they purchased okay okay yeah i would just say that i believe that the comprehensive plan does not restrict that that again would happen if they were to change how and how they changed the code because that's implemented by the code understood yeah okay for those of you who are on the board for that we had a lot of really robust discussions when we went round and round on that i would encourage you to kind of look it up and see some of the things that were discussed yeah do you want to jump to commissioner sink's question sure i sure can so amendment three is something that um we are now grappling with the implications of we have as a staff leadership team been meeting for close to a year to run different scenarios of what that might look like and i say different scenarios because we do not have guidance from the county commission or county administration as to date as to what kind of um what they would be looking to us in terms of a percentage reduction in budget um so we've we've run a number of different scenarios different ways we could achieve those scenarios by um we've been holding positions vacant um uh we uh and um looking at um retirement incentives that's something the county's looking at doing um looking at cutting operating costs um looking at uh reducing or not having merit increases this year think things like that so we have a number of tools in our toolbox that we're prepared to utilize um what we don't have is a clear direction from the county as to whether or not they're going to say across the board we want every department and agency to take this percentage cut or we're going to focus some of the cuts in this area and that means everybody else takes this percentage we don't know what that looks like yet um uh the county commission will be having a workshop on this topic at the end of february um and i also have a meeting with the county administrator and deputy county administrator in early december trying to get as much information as we're able to get as soon as we can get it i'm a planner i really like to have a plan for this sort of stuff um so the uncertainty is not my favorite position to be in um but uh we don't have uh again that clear ask of what it's going to be but we have looked at a number of options um and uh we'll i'll be very transparent with you all as i get more information and share it with you all it's not a it's not a fun time at the moment um and certainly um is i think going to shade how uh the community and elected officials look at different projects and changes that we make to their comprehensive plan or for example our project on the urban service area expansion um which was one of the other topics i had on my list we did complete the outreach on the urban expansion areas we had a series of three meetings in the i4 corridor area getting public comment on that draft recommendation those recommendations um we are working with county staff and the consultant team to refine those based on what we've heard but also on the information that the county staff has to on how this might it might be best implemented um and some of that information may be changing you know as they are grappling with amendment three as well um we uh have a tentative date for a board of county commissioners workshop on march 10th to present the recommendations to them the first time um that is a bit different than what i'd hoped for we had anticipated when we last gave you an update on the schedule that we would be able to have a workshop with the board in in january i think some of what happened last tuesday has shaded some of the scheduling of all of this as well um so because of that uh workshop timing that is one of the deliverables that the consultant has to meet they are on tap to present to to you all and to the board of county commissioners so i will be extending their contract deadline um to accommodate them be being under contract with us for probably until the end of april to make sure that um in case a workshop date moves the the follow-up presentation with the board or follow-up information from the board is needed um so right now that's what i'm anticipating making that change administratively but i wanted to be up front with you all about the timeline changing um so let's see um the uh one question i had regarding the urban expansion area contract i had originally um or we had originally spoken with you all about having that presentation of that study to you all in january um but now we have two vacancies in the county seats for for that study as well so um my recommendation would be to have that presented at your february meeting um along with the um the other work on the other urban service area evaluation study um once we have county representatives um because i think it would be in the best serving the agency and the organization to have their input commissioner sink quick question um so what is the when will the positions for the vacancies be opened when are they due to be filled um and then yeah that's not the question that's a great question and something else i had to you're you're anticipating everything um the uh so last week was a busy week they um we heard from the board clerk that that those positions will be advertised starting the end of this week um and we'll run for those advertisements will run for 30 days um that will put us around mid december um when the applications close they will make sure all of the applicants are uh meet the qualifications i.e they live in unincorporated county and present those to the board of county commissioners that they're meeting in january so we do anticipate that we will have the positions filled in january but they're for their meeting in january is is after your january planning commission meeting um so that that's why we will not we won't have the seats filled for your january meeting any concerns about the changes to the uea scheduling of those recommendations coming to you all in february okay thank you um okay the last well a couple last things that i had to bring up okay um we did have on a more positive note we had a wonderful award ceremony on october 29th i really appreciate so many of you being there commissioner jemison for being a sponsor um we will be looking to to schedule a public information committee meeting um sometime in december um either in conjunction with your meeting or a different time to get some feedback on how you all thought it went if you have thoughts for me during the break welcome them um uh on at your december meeting on december 14th we do have that second workshop on the urban service area evaluation and facilitated discussion that will be at one o'clock then we'll have your regular meeting i anticipate at three o'clock and then the public hearings for um plant city and temple terrace plan amendments at 5 30. we also have um uh an item some items tonight on tampa's agenda that are requesting now a continuation to the december public hearing um also in terms of uh other contract updates i wanted to make you all aware that we're working on a contract with the um consultant who previously did a fee study for us um that fee study was last done three years ago um at the time that was presented to plant city city of tampa and temple terrace to update their fees more in line with what the unincorporated county had just updated their fees uh in 2020 none of the three jurisdictions have made any changes to their fees so we want to update the study make sure that it is still accurate and um in hopes that then the three cities will take action on updating their fees um that's something that we've heard from all from at least plant city and city of tampa that they were interested in the information so we're going to move ahead with with a fee study that should be i think around 25 000 yeah so it's within my contracting authority but i wanted to make you all aware um the uh last thing i had is that um given the timing of when the planning commission seats should be filled um we were thinking of uh having a planning commission retreat in april for you all that gives us a little buffer room in case the county doesn't appoint folks in january um and so um sharon will be sending out via email a poll for dates if you can respond to that we'll get that on the everyone's calendar as well it's not crazy booked up maybe and have a little easier time getting something scheduled and thank you to commissioner laug for raising that question um that concludes my report i'm happy to answer any other questions okay any further questions awesome thank you so much all right that moves us to other business chairs business i certainly have none at this point old business uh item one plan amendments for missile mid uh missing middle housing tongue twister commissioner sing i think that was yours well i'm actually looking for updates from staff on this yes let's pivot then so we did have a um a good initial meeting with the city of tampa staff on the topic um they were receptive to the idea of either um doing some some map amendments or looking at a policy approach that might allow for um in the res 10 maybe piloting in certain neighborhoods an approach to allow for that additional unit um something along the lines of the rounding approach that we had proposed in the update originally but uh tampa city council was not comfortable with citywide but they liked the idea of piloting that um and so uh that so we're we're looking at both of those options um and then quite frankly because of all of the update public hearing stuff that was happening we haven't made a lot of other progress but i'll be happy to report back next month thank you sure okay moving on to new business item one 2027 meeting schedule that's me too um okay so attached to the other business item is a meeting schedule for next year um outlining all of the regular meetings on the second monday of every month um followed by a public hearing um so we do not have any dates that had to move like because of veterans day or anything like that i should point out that october 11th um just like it was this year is typically a um a federal holiday in terms of uh it's columbus or indigenous people's day and uh so that is the only date that fell on anything like that but that is not a hillsborough county holiday so that's why we have historically continued to meet on that date okay any questions commissioner sink are we able to add to new business like during this section i was going to so i would say yes unless tracy tells us we can't commissioner sink and i want to bring up new business items in this section we assume it's okay but we're going to use them for newbies yeah it's under new business we're at new business so that's the appropriate time to bring them up right yeah i had one if i may i want to follow up on commissioner linkus's suggestion on term limits and wanted to put it on the record so to speak or an actual a business item so we have it in queue and staff can bring it back and i wanted to open it up for more conversation or more directions since it was your uh proposal that you may want to send a staff and potentially even a vote if we if we need to so i thought i would open it up and maybe we could dig in a little deeper since we're in a new business section and then we'll come to you commissioner sing for your topic yeah thank you i don't i don't have any further um direction i think it'd be interesting to see kind of what what's being done in the area and i did appreciate mr ornita's comments um that it may be the most appropriate kind to limit what we're doing in terms of our internal operations versus the appointments so maybe this is primarily affecting the chair role but i i think i'm just interested in seeing what other of similar kinds of organizations might do at this point okay fantastic any other comments concerns questions okay commissioner sink you had a third new business item sir what kind of i'm trying to remember if this came up if it's in the um consultants view um purview or if we need to talk about a little bit more so we're talking about expansion of the urban service area but we also at our last um consultant meeting talked about other levers to pull which would be increased density in existing areas like let's say city of tampa how do we meet our needs by doing a balanced approach of expanding the service area and in improving policy to allow density or redevelopment where we already have sewers streets sidewalks infrastructure and all this thing it's been weighing on me even more after the passing of amendment three because i'm like we need to be very very smart with our resource allocation and how do we make it the way where we're not doing a huge like we need the numbers we need development like we need those things one thing i was curious about is the cost of density out in unincorporated versus the cost of density in the city of tampa like what does that number look like um does it is it more expensive to to build and and redevelop in the city of tampa is it the same like where does it fall same thing for plant city i think that plant city and temple terrace have a huge part in this as well on where their fee structures and where we're doing carrot and stick to make sure that we're hitting our goal of producing units to support the growth of our area can i ask a question sure by cost do you mean the cost to the jurisdiction the cost in terms of permit fees the cost i can see a lot of different angles just to the word cost right so it's kind of like the when we're doing amendments like when we're talking about expanding the urban service area we look at things like how are we going to provide schooling how are we going to provide um road access sewers all that stuff right and eventually that that gets passed on to the final user right so i want to see if there's a way to compare is it are we making it more expensive to redevelop and add density to existing areas that already have infrastructure or is it less expensive like how do we how do we use our land resource the best way possible and the most efficient way possible i guess is where i'm going with this um so i have lots of thoughts on this topic um but i've built both in hillsborough county and the city of tampa and the reason developers want to build outside the urban service areas because the land is cheaper and so it is cheaper to build further out especially because there's a bond structure where you can pass infrastructure costs on to the end user and the price of land in the city is much more expensive in terms of permit things fees and things like that i actually don't know i haven't done a comparison as of late but because of the cost of land at its core you are motivated you as a developer are motivated to build further out because the decrease in rent or sales price isn't necessarily prohibitive for building that further you'll still get a sale or you'll still get a rent as opposed you'll still get rent as opposed to what you might be able to build in the urban core for the cost that you're going to be paying for it so i don't you know this is a very big issue but i don't know that there's a necessarily a solution that i've thought of to to figure this out i think that live local tried really hard to um to encourage development in the urban core and i think a lot of people didn't like it and so a lot of people found ways around allowing that to happen and then i think we got a lot of development in some areas that everybody might not have wanted um i think the intent behind it made some sense but in terms of how we get that to play out based on these costs that we don't have control over i don't know the answer um i think you know my hunch is that it's more intensive zoning categories in the urban core um but we all know how everybody feels about that so uh you know therein lies the issue and that's sort of the crux of that argument but if you can build more density then the piece of land you're buying is spread out over more units and it makes more sense and one other slight note is i don't know if anybody's looked at population data as of late but you know every year our population sort of falls off a cliff more and more so i think development you know widespread suburban development is probably going to make less and less sense as time goes on and more urban core development will probably make more and more sense but that's just my my hunch which lies the and thank you for this because this is exactly where i want to go with it which is you know are we are we getting what we're asking for which is basically we we're trying to make sure that we're allocating resources as the best we can especially if budgets come down right yet there might not be enough um because the density the way that density is done like say city of tampa in that area to have r10 where r20 would actually work we're pushing and we're we're actually make rewarding to go out to do more spraw which is more expensive for streets sewer sidewalks schools all that stuff than using our existing so i want to there has to be a way to and i want to your hunch is my same hunch but hunches i need so i need i need data to support hunches and that's where i'm trying to go with this is to understand maybe and there's a lot of pushback in the rural communities about going into their area and they don't want that density right and then there's there's communities inside tampa that one density and they can't get it because of the our comp plan right so both people are looking for the same thing which is build where people want to be and if we are having um populations decline that's going to make it even harder and worse on us in the long run to have communities that are spread out that are no longer building that are not big enough to support the services they're going to require long term so that's kind of where i was going with the with the with the idea or the concept is like how do we get our arms around it so that we can work for our constituents in our city in our county and temple terrace and plant city the best way we possibly can if i could go back on this real quick the i think from what we can see from this consultant information we're getting from the urban service area so at least so far some of this data may be difficult to obtain or maybe doesn't exist i don't i mean you would it's impossible to imagine that data doesn't exist in our modern day right the data is plentiful um but you know my initial thought if you were to come to me and say this is our problem my initial thought would be okay maybe we down zone the further reaches of the county and maybe the urban service area is becomes less of an issue and then my you know as a developer maybe you're putting the burden of those costs more so on the developer than we do today maybe it's because it will be more efficient for construction to happen under a developer's purview it will happen more quickly i don't know why we don't rely on developers more than we do now putting money into a pot that the county or somebody allocates from you know a municipality doesn't make a whole lot of sense and tell show me an example of where it did make more sense than you know the private industry accomplishing something on a time horizon that makes sense to them so those are my two initial thoughts but not that that helps anything but commissioner kugler bring us home would it be helpful if we as a body generally avoided expanding the urban service area that would put at least correct part of the problem there at the same time i know trent green has has spoken to me this was before he even started the comp plan about how east tampa needs a lot of um variety of zoning and and land use in that area to to encourage economic development without that you just have basically rs10 almost across the board in east tampa um if we if we were to stick to enforcing the usa which is one of the tools of of um this whole problem could that uh push well certainly a developer who has the resources will build the roads and the and the infrastructure but that'll be it won't be subsidized by the folks in the inner city that are paying the taxes for it for that commissioner jemison so i wonder if um there be any data available through the private sector from organizations like abc contractors association or some of the other contractors associations might have some of that information that we could uh mine from them so to speak miss renina um i think to the project that we have that mr tilbury was here last month to to talk about this fits very squarely in the type of data and analysis and evaluation that i i think he was hearing you all from different angles um be interested in in terms of our how are we how can we best efficiently utilize our land and resources so i'm going to encourage him to watch the end of this meeting and make sure it's incorporated in next month's workshop on that topic i would also just add that um the two urban expansion area studies that we are doing um they will have a component looking at the infrastructure needs that go along with with that development as well as um we have um the the county has a fiscal impact model that they have um given to us to run and our yasser gonzalez is the one who is trained in doing it he is running that on the different scenarios that are being proposed in that setting the the the model really works well on on big changes like that as opposed to like an individual like small plan amendment um but uh certainly that that one is that model is for the unincorporated county only but um i don't know i feel like there's something there to maybe be able to try and get some data to compare to the city of tampa or plant city or something so we can look into that mr cb to commissioner kugler's point i think my biggest question is just i think if we knew that the urban service area was doing what we wanted it to do and accomplishing the goals we want and we had data information and said okay this is a really good tool i think staying with inside the urban service area would make a lot of sense for us but i think the greater question is is it accomplishing anything that we wanted it to accomplish or not and if not then let's figure out a way to pivot because building more affordable housing doesn't necessarily mean it always has to be building housing further out it could mean you could build more housing on a smaller piece of land great discussion do you have what you need from commissioner sings question to come back with something i i think i will make sure that it is incorporated in the the information for that workshop next month um and then if after that workshop you feel we need something more we can we can revisit it perfect okay thanks okay moving on to committee reports i have one item of new business sorry it's okay i just was curious and i did want to make sure it went on record if um if there wasn't another process but i had never seen so much citizen engagement with the planning commission at least in the last year that i've been on um and i just wanted to acknowledge that we did receive it my count 49 emails um from the public um and about the the election of the chair and every single one of those that i saw was um a vote for for commissioner sink to be chair so i you know we were entitled to make our own decisions but i do want to acknowledge that the public was extremely involved in that and i thought it was a really interesting and important moment that people were watching what we were doing um so i just wanted to make sure that was on the record okay moving on to committee reports do we have any committee reports i will say we have one from chair joseph which we are going to send or are we going to read it should already be in your email i forwarded the email that he um sent to me over the weekend um so it's there that'll be his parting gift to you commissioner jemison that'll be his parting gift to you okay with that we are going to adjourn at 4 56 and reconvene at 5 30.