and thank you for your patience this evening. The October 14, 2026 meeting of the Local Planning Agency of Dunedin will now come to order. The Local Planning, oh, reminder to everyone, remember to turn on and off your microphones when you're speaking. Okay, quick reminder. The Local Planning Agency is an advisory board of citizens appointed by the City Commission. This board is comprised of volunteers who represent the thoughts and concerns of the community. The purpose of tonight's meeting is to make recommendations to the City Commission regarding each item on the agenda. Item 1A, the first item on our agenda tonight is to approve the September 9, 2026 LPA minutes. Are there any corrections, additions, or deletions that anyone saw? Okay. With that, hearing none, do we have a motion to approve? Sally motions? Deborah seconds? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, motion passes. The minutes are approved. On the agenda tonight, item 1B is a quasi-judicial in nature, and as such, the format for this evening will be as follows. The local planning agency is not a quasi-judicial board, and therefore has no final decision-making power. Our procedures for quasi-judicial items are structured in a quasi-judicial manner, however, for the benefit of those who come before it. The commission will be the ultimate quasi-judicial decision-making authority on this item. The process for this evening will be as follows. I will introduce the item, after which the City representative will present information about it. Thereafter, members of the local planning agency will have the opportunity to ask questions of the City representative. Second, the applicant will present information about the item. Thereafter, members of the local planning agency will have the opportunity to ask the applicant questions. If the applicant has any questions of staff, or staff has any questions of the applicant, we ask that they address those to the board. Third, anyone from the public may come forward. Those from the public wishing to provide testimony will need to approach the lectern, state their name and address for the record, then utilize the microphone at the speaker's lectern in order for their comments to be recorded. Individual speakers will be limited to three minutes of speaking time, and we kindly request everyone be respectful of that clock. Citizens speaking on an agenda item or during citizens' comment should not engage in loud, boisterous, or disruptive behavior or conduct. Any speaker that has continued inappropriate or relevant comments will be requested to relinquish the podium. Finally, both the City representative and the applicant will be provided any final comments. Upon conclusion of each public hearing, the local planning agency will consider the evidence before it and will vote on the agenda item. The voice vote is a rendition of the order of the board, and there will be no written decision issued by the board. Further, should the board vote to recommend denial of the matter, they will provide the basis for their denial. At this time in the audience, anyone who wishes to give testimony tonight to these items on the agenda will need to be sworn in by the city clerk. Any citizens planning to give testimony? Okay. All right. Well, if you speak later, you'll have to be sworn in then. Okay. Item 1B. Application DR-2026-0002. Request for design review approval for the development of a multifamily residential project called Sunrise Townhomes, consisting of a two-story building comprising eight townhomes at 1116 Martin Luther King Avenue, and it was formerly known as 534 Howell Street. Okay. Yes. Has anyone on the board had any ex parte communications regarding this item? Nope. Nope. Okay. Hearing none, George, we'll turn it over to you for the staff presentation. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Chair Benjamin. Members of the board, good evening. George Kinney on behalf of the Community Development Department. I have a short PowerPoint, which is already up, so I'll go ahead and start down that road. This may look familiar to the board. It was here last year. It was approved last year. It went through the entire design review process, and unfortunately, the applicants did not secure their vertical building permits within the 12-month time frame, so they are required by the Land Development Code to go back through the process. So you're going to see a very similar application. There's really no changes between what was approved last year and what they're requesting this year, with the exception that the Architectural Review Board did require some enhanced architecture, so it is a little bit more architecturally appealing than it was last year. But I'll work through the application information and some of the design review criteria. This is a design review approval for Sunrise Townhomes. The applicant is Marla Hoquette. The representative is Greg Presby, Climber Farmer Barley Incorporated. Street address is now actually 1161 Martin Luther King Jr., because it's been split from that parent parcel. And I'll walk through some of that. Property size is about six-tenths of an acre. Land use is residential medium. Zoning district is multifamily residential. The existing use that did previously occupy the site was a two-family dwelling duplex, which has been removed. Very quickly, from a project description, the applicant is again requesting design review approval for multifamily residential development called Sunrise Townhomes. You can see from the inset photos how that would lay out. It's really directly across the street. If you're looking on this side, it's the city's wastewater treatment plant. It's directly across the street, but sandwiched between Howe Street and Laurel Lane. You have a street view perspective. The project does consist of one two-story building comprising eight townhomes. Going back to the previous approval, this was approved in August of last year. The City Commission, I'm sorry, two years ago now, August 2024. So City Commission unanimously approved the application back then. As I mentioned, the owner did not obtain infrastructure review nor vertical building permits within the 12-month time frame, and then the project did expire in August of 2025. To the left is an inset. It's in your backup, but there's some meeting notes from that particular meeting of August 8th. As the board knows, projects with expired design review approvals are required to submit a new design review application, which is what you have before you this evening. A little bit on the property history, and this goes back to what the chair had mentioned on how the property has been split and divided. In August of 2015, the property was purchased by Ms. Hauquette. It was a total of 1.12 acres, and it identified as 532 House Street, 534 House Street, and 1161 Martin Luther King Jr. Avenue. On January of 2026, the property has been subdivided into the two parcels, and really the only one before the board at this point is that .59 piece. The balance of the .53 acres is left with the Howell Street home, the existing Howell Street home, and the assisted living facility that occupies that site. From a land use plan perspective, certainly the use requested is permitted under the current land use. It's residential medium, which includes multifamily residential buildings. I'll just kind of draw your attention to the chart in the lower right-hand corner, and you can see that the density and intensity are met, and actually they haven't even, actually maxed that out. So it's, from a project perspective, it's completely conforming from a land use standpoint. Going on to the zoning district evaluation, the site is zoned MF 15. That zoning category also permits single-family and multifamily residential development and residential townhomes, as is requested. Again, the takeaway would be that chart on the lower right-hand portion of the screen that outlines the dimensional standards for the site, and of course, all of the dimensional standards are met. And I would draw your attention to the building height because the next slide will be the compatibility statement. So they are looking at a building height of just over 24 feet. From a compatibility perspective, we analyzed 36 existing buildings surrounding the project area. There are a mix of one- and two-story buildings with an average height of around 20 feet, a little bit more than 20 feet, a variety of uses ranging from low to medium density single-family and multifamily residential, as well as limited commercial and municipal uses. So it's really a nice little mix out there. This is a really good area. You can see the wastewater treatment plan on the left-hand side, the homes along Howell Street that are kind of south of the project area, and then the homes and businesses along Laura Lane that are kind of north of the project area. The staff conclusion, based on the compatibility analysis, is that a two-story multifamily residential development is consistent with what's going on in that particular area and would be considered compatible. Finally, before staff recommendation, this is the design standards evaluation. These, as you know, on the left-hand side of this chart are the standards within the land development code that must be met for any project that is going through the design review process. And you can see that each of these particular pieces conform. I would point out the architectural style, although not required, is craftsmen. And again, they've been the architecture review committee two times prior to coming here and have continued to work towards a more aesthetically pleasing architectural design. And I would also just point out the sustainability piece. They are looking at Florida green building certification. Silver certification is being pursued. So from a sustainability standpoint, the project is looking for that kind of approval and development. Committee actions, the development review committee heard this particular project on May 27th, 2026. All the DRC comments and items that have been addressed that were brought up in that particular meeting. And as I mentioned, it's been to the architecture review committee two times on August 4th, 2026, September 1th, 2026, where the ARC has recommended the approved design to the LPA and then on to the City Commission. So staff determination staff finds that the application for design review is consistent with the applicable review criteria for approval subject to the following conditions and those are our standard conditions. I'll read them into the record very quickly. The applicant developer is responsible for meeting the minimum criteria of the land development code and for acquiring all their jurisdictional permits and approvals. Two, construction plans shall be consistent with the approved design review plans and drawings and three, design review approvals shall expire in 12 months from the date of the City Commission design review approval unless the applicant obtains infrastructure review approval and vertical building permit approvals. So normally I would stop there but there was a little bit of a last minute thing that I want to bring to the Board's attention. Late last night the City Clerk received a notice from a neighboring property owner on Howell Street. It's signed by Bill Faulkner. This was turned over to us this morning so I have not had a lot of time with this. But basically I want to show you what I think the issue is and how we can maybe address that. Pull this up real quick. So this is a picture of the this is the civil site plan for the project. You can see the project to the north side. The four properties that were the sub or the properties that are the subject of this email are those four properties that you can see that are just north of Howell Street and just south of that kind of dark gray area. And the request is as direct neighbors to the south are real or only ask is the design would include some additional mature trees being planted along the southern border of the property to protect what little privacy is available. This made a lot of sense to us from a planning perspective. The problem was how are we going to make that work because as you can see the driveway the driveway the project area driveway basically touches the south property line for the project area and that's necessary for emergency access. So the width there's no opportunity to reduce the width of that. But there's a little bit of there's another little piece to this if you can see that there's a little small white strip about a 15 foot wide strip that exists between the south property line of the project area and the north property line of the of the homes on Howell. That is a 15 foot wide city owned easement. So I had an opportunity very quickly and I not had a chance to flesh this out at all. So whatever if there's a condition or some sort of suggestion I would suggest that it gives the staff time to to take a much harder look at it. But I had I had a brief conversation with Clay Watkins the city engineer. He does not believe there's any utilities inside of that easement. So that might provide an opportunity to do for two approaches. One to potentially vacate that particular property and allow the applicant to maybe do a few more plannings in that particular area or B since it's the commission's right away the commission would have the ability to say we'll allow the developer to go in there and plant some additional trees to provide that buffer. So I just throw that out. It came in very late. Again we have not had an opportunity to look at it very thoroughly but it seems like a very if that's something that we can do within that easement it seems like something we should do within that easement. George you're talking about that small strip where it looks like there's two wood sheds. Exactly. I think those two wood sheds are now removed but that's the area. That's the strip. Okay. It's a right of way. Ma'am, could you wait until we get to the citizen input? We're trying to move quickly. So with that we're obviously recommending the project as proposed but we would also be willing, we'd certainly be acceptable to any add-on that might enhance that landscaping and that transition between the two problems. Do we know how the developer feels about it? I literally have not had a chance to reach out to the developer either. So I literally just got it this morning and did my best just to get with clay as quick as I could. So we'll have to do some additional research on it and we'd obviously have to talk to the developer. I don't know if the developer's here so they've been very responsive and very good so far. I'm sure they probably wouldn't mind doing something there but I don't want to speak for them but I think the developer can maybe see if whatever you discuss makes sense to them and we can kind of go from there. Maybe you could be ready to come up but not yet when we get to the developer side. Perfect. Okay, questions for George. James? Yeah, George I'm looking at the manhole cover that's on the sidewalk over on Martin Luther King. the solid line box that's inside the dashed lines and that's in within that 29 foot setback area. Is that, what is that box? Is that a utility? You know what Mr. Johns I'm going to refer, I'm going to defer to the developer because I don't have, I don't have our engineering team here today. I can get you that answer but I don't have it off the top of my head. And then a follow up to that too is it looks like there's 29.9 feet of setback from along the south property line and then you have the additional 15 feet of right of way. So that looks like there could be plenty of space there for emergency vehicle. So engineering said that they wanted a, in talking to Clay, the reason they were hesitant to reduce the size of the driver with is it's a two way drive and their preference is 20 feet for that, for the width of that drive. Would, would 29 feet, it's the 29.9 feet setback on the south property line it looks like from the building to the south property line as is, which would also be the right of way. Yeah, so, and, and there is some sidewalk in there as well and I'm not sure, I can't remember the width of the sidewalk, I think it's probably five or six, yeah. Eating it up, yeah. I'm thinking it looks like it, there's, there's some room for engineering to, to do some things perhaps. And that's the, so if that's part of what we can, uh, maybe have a more dialogue with, you know, with the engineering division before we got to the first commission. So anything you guys think of that would be, that would make sense to kind of tag on and instruct us to do as part of that. Yep. This is a picture of that whole area. Is this what you're talking about? Did you need this? No, I don't think so. It's right, maybe, are you talking about the gas meter? The gray box? Yeah, I just drove by it. Okay, Debra, you got questions? Well, have we gotten to the architecture yet? It's a good time to talk, but they did make some changes to the architecture. Okay, can we go to the architecture? Did they make the changes in reference to arcs? They did. So they did differentiate much better so that it actually gave it some depth and fenestration. They adjusted the route of the decks. So, yeah, so they actually went back twice. So the architecture review committee, they actually submitted the exact same thing that was approved last year to the architecture review committee. They were like, no, we want to do a little bit more with it. That's what I sent them back. And so they actually delayed them. They actually ended up going back a month later and they showed them that they had addressed all those concerns with the exception of the rafters, which they have addressed since then. So they have addressed all of the architecture committee. All of ours. Okay. That's good. And on that .53 property, I'm just a little confused. What exactly? I know that we're not talking about that right now, but I want to get it in my mind. What is that? It's a 21-bed assisted living facility. Okay. Right there. Right by it. At the end. And the house is down. And that's, the house is still there. That's the owner's home. Okay. So that's where the house is. Yes. That's what I'm saying. There was a duplex where the project's going, but that's been removed. Gotcha. And the ALF, they actually had to bring the bed count down to 21 to make it work from an FAR standard. And the house is still there. Yep. Okay. My concerns were, I was very interested in reading the arc and seeing there. I thought they had some really good points. Yeah, and they did. And they, to the developer's credit, they came back with a complete remodel and hit every one of those conditions. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Debra. Go ahead, Paul. George, real quick. The elevation that's shown in there, is that what was provided the second time then to arc? Yes. Yeah, so that should be in your backup. I don't have it here. It'll be in your backup under the architectural renderings. And that would be the approved, that is the plan that they are seeking approval on. Okay, that's right. Yeah, I don't, unfortunately, I don't have it in here. Okay. So we don't, we don't have the plan in here? Yes, you do. It is, yeah. It would be. Exhibit H. Or, excuse me, Exhibit I. Okay. Do you want to look at that? Do you want me to come back to you, Debra? Let's see, I might have a, I might have a. Tim, do you have questions? I can't see you're out here. I feel like we were discussing earlier, we were discussing earlier, George, about stormwater and sewage. As I walked the property, I was trying to figure out where, is that going to tie into the current system on MLK as far as stormwater? Yeah, again, I'll defer to the applicant. It's my understanding that there's an underground stormwater vault system to this, so that will ultimately tie into MLK, but I'll leave the details to the applicant. And that sewage, I'm sure he'll answer that question as well? Yeah. Okay, that's all I had. Sally? Good, Dr. Brewer. Okay, I've got a question. Do you know when construction's going to start, and why didn't they hit the permit timeline before, and do we know when construction's going to start, just are there going to be any issues? It's my understanding they are ready at this point, and they're, you know, again, I'll kind of defer the applicant as to what their timeline is, but I would presume we will be seeing building permits. If they're not already in, we'll see them very quickly. Okay, good. And then, can you walk through the parking? There's 18 spots. There's eight units, so 16 of those are in the garages, so there would be two more. And are there two on that east end? I couldn't find it. The surplus? Yeah, the surplus of two spots. So, it's one and a half per unit as required, so you're getting a half for each unit because they're showing two spaces. Yep. So, that half is where you're picking up the surplus. Okay. So, you're picking up an extra four there, and then I think there's two. Yeah, I'm just looking at 18 cars. I figure two in each garage, right? Two car garages? Right. So, you got... There's 16, so we should have two spots on the site somewhere. Yeah. You'll cover that? Okay. Yeah. I'm getting a list for you here. The two that are outside of the spaces are on either end of the project. They're on each end? On either end. You'll see them right there. You'll see them on either end. Okay. All right. I'm going to ask Greg to... Yeah, he'll... Okay. Okay. That is all the questions I've got. Unless anybody has anything else? Oh, you've got one more? Okay, Paul. So, going to the property appraiser, and this is more of a comment, I guess, it doesn't look like they've synced up the subdivided properties? You're right. I have not. Okay. Yeah, that's... Yes, so we looked at that before we came in, obviously, and the property appraiser's site is not intended to be a real estate development site. It's intended to show taxes and that kind of thing. So, there are errors on it. Every once in a while, this happens to be an error. It is correct on our internal GIS system. Okay. Okay. I was just going for... Because you put in the 1161, and it comes up the ALF, and then you put in the ALF, and it comes up the 1161. Yeah. Just so... Yeah, they... Eventually gets straight, because that'll eventually... We have made them aware of it. They... Okay. So, you know, I don't know if they'll correct it or not, but we've made them aware of it. Well, I was going to say that one of those things where that's going to come into play is when the property taxes go out. So, obviously, it'll be much different. Well, and you picked up at the first meeting. So, the homestead... So, the homestead provision was actually correct. It was just... It was mislabeled to the wrong building. So, the homestead was actually sitting with the house, but it was labeled for... It was either the ALF or the duplex or something like that. So, and that still hasn't been corrected as far as I know, and we brought that to our attention a year ago. All right. But it is correct. It's correct on our intent. Wayne's got it for us, and it's correct on our autonomy, guys. Well, once again, since the property appraiser and working with the tax collector do the taxes on that, that it'll be good to have your GIS system... Yeah, yeah. ...match what that is. And then, I know I asked the question last time, but I don't remember the answers. So, is this a condo plat, or is it going to be a fee simple with a HOA property? What the... My understanding is a multifamily apartment complex. Oh, apartments. Okay. I don't know... Townhomes. Multifamily townhomes. Well, okay, going back then to townhomes. I don't believe they're going to... I don't believe they're securing... They're not securing... I don't believe they're plotting it, as far as I... We'll ask when they get up here then. All right. Got it. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Greg, you ready to come up? Yep. Yep. We need to get you sworn in quick, and then once we've got that done, I've got to... I'll give you a list to make sure we cover all the topics. Can you come up to the... Oh, you're not? Okay. What's your name? Stephen. And if... Okay. And if any members of the public want to speak and haven't been sworn in yet, you can get sworn in now, too, so if you plan on giving comment... Do I come to you, or...? Just stand and raise your hand. Thank you. All right. You're good. Are you sure the center about to give this proceeding of the truth, the whole truth, and that's about the truth? I do. Okay. Okay. Okay. Stephen, if you could, I think what we probably want to cover is if you could maybe just describe some of the architectural changes, the timeline, maybe address the manhole cover issue, what your thoughts are on landscaping, that strip, and if you could describe, make sure we're clear on where those two extra parking spots are. Absolutely. Could you just give me your name, first name and last name? Stephen DiGiovanni. Spell that for me. D-I-G-I-O-V-A-N-N-I. Okay. And is it S-T-E-V-E-N? Yeah. That's correct. Thank you. Yeah. And just to explain, so Mary, I'm a developer, so DiGiovanni Homes, we've done a few townhome projects in Dunedin on Highland and Skinner. We did Highland Crossing and Highland Ridge across the street, and we do a bunch of townhomes in Pinellas County. So Mary approached us a few years ago and said she was going to be doing a townhome project, and we helped her with getting an architect and an engineer, and then really did not have a lot of involvement in this. She came to us about six to eight months ago to contract to build the townhomes, and we submitted for permits, so we do have our building plan submitted to Dunedin. And that's when we found out that the time period for the approval had elapsed, all right? So I've been working with Mary to try to catch up on the situation and walk it through and basically just help her as a friend, you know? And also, you know, eventually I want to build the townhomes. So, you know, just to give you an idea of where I'm coming from here. So, yeah, so the staff did a great job presenting it, and we got eight units. I did walk it through the most recent architectural review committee, and they did ask us to enhance the buildings. We changed some of the roof line to differentiate the units. We changed the balconies a little bit. We added corbels, and that's what I was trying to call them. I couldn't figure it. Yeah, and gable ends. We viewed, yeah, that's what's here. We added a few windows on the street side, and we added some architectural design there to make that side look a little bit more broken up instead of just one plain wall. And we actually added some landscaping there, too. So we enhanced the landscape plan to, you know, make that side a little bit more beautiful. The manhole. So I didn't really catch what the question was there. There was a manhole question? There's a manhole. There is a manhole on the sidewalk that is within the dashed lines, and I was wondering if that was a below-ground stormwater. Yeah, probably. I'd want to see it, though. The dotted line in the middle of the street there is the underground vault, right? So if you see the gray, that's the underground vault that's probably being fed from maybe somewhere in the back. Maybe there's some under drains. I know there's an under drain on the backside that picks up roof runoff, and we'll have to tie into that. The sewer does connect to the city sewer. Each unit will have a sewer lateral. I think there's a catch basin there at the end of the street that feeds into the stormwater system. Okay. That clears up when I was cool. Oh, yes, exactly. West of the building closest to Martin Luther King, between Martin Luther King and that place, but into the grass-dressed parking space. On both sides of the building. On the opposite side. Okay. So they park on the grass? We're going to make those like permeable paver grass spots. Okay. Got you. They were additional added parking just to try to enhance the parking for the community, basically. Yeah. And so it didn't have to necessarily meet any requirements, but we wanted to add them in there, and we'll do, you know, like the grass pavers that you can, you know, and put a little stop bar there. That would be good if they have a guest. We'll probably put some, you know, landscape urging around it, you know. Okay. Make it clear that it's a parking space. Okay. Got it. But also a lot of water to percolate there. Steven, any thoughts on that 15-foot strip that the neighbors are asking about? Landscaping it to create a buffer? I mean, you know, of course we're amiable to that. I mean, at this point, it'd be very difficult to, you know, make any changes to the actual site plan, you know. So, like, moving the road would be a pretty big ask, you know, at this point. I don't think there's any necessarily requirement for us to do it, but of course, you know, I mean, if it enhances the neighbor's perspective and adds some trees, I mean, we're, I have no doubt that Mary would be open to that, you know. And approve that, especially if it, if it keeps the process moving. Right. You know, obviously she's very distressed that, you know, she allowed the thing to lapse. And, you know, there was a mix up with the engineer and, you know, being an individual who's not super knowledgeable about development, you know, she didn't realize her time limit, you know, was expiring. And so, you know, to have to re-go through the process is, you know, something she's learning through now. And something I'm trying to help her with. So, you know, I think the best way would, would definitely be to just kind of maybe have some sort of agreement where we're allowed to plant and we can probably whip something up pretty fast. Some native code trees that maybe Rick would be able to take a look at and just say, hey, real quick, you know, these are great. Seems like it'd be a win for the project and for those neighbors because it's. Yeah, it's a win-win. I mean, I don't see, you know, for a pretty low cost, I mean, it's not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of the whole overall project to put a tree hedge there, you know. Yeah. It's cleared now. Anyway, I think the fence line is on the south side and Mary already hired somebody to demo the existing structure that was there. It's all cleared out now. So it looks a lot better if you drove by, you saw. Yeah. Okay. So the only thing I've got my little microphone on, the only thing we're concerned about is if there are any utilities there. Is that correct? Because you just haven't had a chance to check that out. That's correct. Yeah, we need, the initial thought from engineering is there's nothing in there, which is beneficial for what we're talking about. Right, right. It would be good for what you're looking to do. But he wants some time to dig into it to be sure, and if there's nothing in there, then the thought is there's kind of two ways to look at it. We could either look at vacating it as a possibility. I know sometimes, you know, we don't really like to vacate unless we have a really solid public purpose here. But this to me would be a solid public purpose. If you can help the neighbors and make the neighbors happier, it's a public purpose. And if not vacate, then we could, I don't see why the commission couldn't consider, you know, it's ultimately up to the commission, so right away. But I don't know why they couldn't consider just saying, hey, we'll allow you guys to go in there and put this tree line up because we've got no utilities in there. So one way or the other, I think we can accomplish that. Yeah, I'm like 99% certain that there's no utilities there. But I won't say that on the record, but, you know. Okay. Tim. Tim. Tim, any questions? Oh, Tim, sorry. I got my sheets backwards. Sorry, Tim. Oh, Tim, can you turn on your microphone? Lorraine and Jackson are two streets. They head straight out to south end of Weaver Park and then unload into the Gulf. Okay. So adding that sewer, adding to that sewer system, that was really where I was going with all the questions that I asked you, George. Is that going to be able to handle what we've got here? We're adding that to what's there. There's nothing being infrastructure-wise changed. So I guess my question is, is it going to interrupt that water from getting to the Gulf? Yeah, no, I would say, you know, obviously the engineering division has looked at this pretty hard at this point. They're tying into the existing city's sewer system and it's my recollection that there's plenty of capacity to do so. Okay. Yeah, I wouldn't want to speak on behalf of the engineering department, but they're very thorough. Very, very thorough and I'm sure that it's something that was considered. I wasn't involved in that process, but I know from other projects that it's... Especially after the hurricanes, we've got extra questions that we didn't have two years ago. That's why I asked. Absolutely. You know, I would add, Mr. Young, that, you know, this is a conceptual approval and infrastructure permitting is the next step. So, infrastructure permitting is our engineering review and they'll be looking at that very Okay. I didn't know if they did that before they got past that year. Well, I think they've... I mean, we've submitted the plans. I know the plans. Yeah, I believe they're in. I think they're probably looking at them now. Yep. It's definitely there. Yeah, it looks to me like there weren't any issues in the preliminary meetings at this point, but it wasn't finalized. Yeah, no. No, yeah. Okay. Okay. Sally? Good. Dr. Broome? James? Good. Deborah, you went. Paul? Got some questions. Okay. All right. So, going back to property use, well, is it rentals? Is it fee-simple townhomes? The intention is to sell them. Pardon? The intention is to sell them. Okay, so fee-simple. Yeah. I don't know if Mary's plan was to necessarily plat them individually, because you could make it a condominium and still sell them. So, you wouldn't have the zoning to make it fee-simple, I don't think. Okay. I mean, you could do a fee-simple condo, but it would be under the guise of a condominium plat. Okay. Well, yeah. Well, speaking to your concern, though, yeah. So, I mean, we've done it both ways personally for Digivani Homes, where we either, like in Highland Crossing and the other projects we've done in Dunedin, where we actually individually plat them, or you can do a condominium plat where the whole building is sort of platted. They still get sold individually, though. So, they're still sold to homeowners. I mean, obviously, a homeowner can buy one and then rent it. Yeah. No, just curious where that was going. The intention is not to rent them out or have, like, short-term rentals or anything like that. You know, the intention... It's not a Marshall property. No, it's MF15. It's multifamily 15, so... So, you could... Um, MF15, I don't believe you can do short-terms in MF15. Yeah, so I don't know the details of that. But our intention is to sell that, so... Oh, that... Okay. So, there'll be a... I don't even know the rules for short-term rentals. I have no idea. So, there would be an association set up, a condo association? Yeah, well, it's probably already created, I mean, I would imagine, as part of the engineering documents. All right. And then, so, that kind of led me into, too, fire protection? Is there sprinklers in the units? No sprinklers. I don't believe we're required to have sprinklers for two stories, but there is a two-hour firewall between each unit and, you know, all the fire clearances. We were speaking to the width of the road and stuff like that. There's a fire hydrant, you know, that has to be added and all those rules will have to be applied and carried out. All right. And then, is this going to be master metered or individual meters? I believe it's master metered. Okay. And then we'll sub-meter it. And say that again? We'll sub-meter it. Okay. So, we'll put our own meters that HOA will charge. And then, connection to reclaim? I don't think we have reclaimed. I'm not sure on that actually, to be completely honest with you. Okay. If we do, we'd love to use it for the irrigation. All right. Well, you're right across from the wastewater treatment plant. So, I think you've got a source really, really close. No kidding. I would hope so. I mean, it would be great to be able to use reclaim. Yeah. For sure. All right. And then, with the drive aisle there, fires already looked at it. They were able to get their, in case you would need emergency vehicles in there. Oh, yeah. It's been heavily considered. Absolutely. And then, lastly, along those big truck lines, what about solid waste? What are you going to do? The plan is to have a collection point at the end of the street, and then each individual will roll their individual trash bin to that collection point, and waste management will just be able to come up the road and pick them all up at one point. They don't have to actually come down the street. Okay. So, they'll pick up off of Martin Luther. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. So, each individual will roll up their bin to that collection spot, and then they'll be taken from there. Okay. So, and each bin is actually, what, two bins, right? I guess so. Yeah. One recycling bin and one waste bin. And, you know, I'm sure they'll consider it when buying, yeah. And I saw they need to be kept in their garage until thrash day. Yep. All right. And I think that's all I have. I mean, I have some comments on the easement, but we'll let our guests talk and see what they think, so. I've got no questions. So, at this point, is there anyone from the public that would like to speak? If you could, please state your name and address for the record. Debra Muborn. I'm at 504 Howell Street. She's directly in my backyard. Is she taking the easement? Does anybody know if she's taking the easement? The easement's open. Right. Is she taking it? Okay, she's not widening her driveway? No, ma'am. Just what you see. Going the other way to widen it? Just what you see up there. See, it's on the top side of the easement. That's the driveway, that gray area. That gray area. Looks pretty big. It's 20 feet wide, yep. Oh, I thought you should. So she came over to me and told me she's taken my fence down and she's taken three feet of my property, which is the easement. Can you speak into that? Yeah. Which is the easement. Can you? Yeah. Come on. Maybe you and I. No, I understand because Mary was confused about the easement there and I think I clarified it with her where her property line is and where the right-of-way is there in the easement and I think I know. You're all the way to the left, right? Okay. Yeah. And so there was just a misunderstanding there but we've surveyed where the property line is and where the road will be and I guarantee you they won't interfere with your set up there. She's not taking my fence down? No. No. Okay. Is she building a fence? Unless you'd like us to at some point remove and replace because our intention is to put a nice white vinyl fence. That would be nice. And at the time that we install, I would come to you and ask you for permission to remove yours and put ours up or we can put ours right up adjacent on our side of the property line, you know, but either way. Okay. So she's not taking my easement? No. Okay. No, no, no. It was just a misunderstanding. And she approached me a few times about it, was adamant about where the lot lines were. Right. But at the end of the day, I'm in the survey, you know, she is what it is. She yells and screams. She's a very nice lady to me. I, you know. Good luck. So Stephen, just to be clear, Deborah's fence is on her property. I believe Deborah's fence is on her property. When I saw the stakes, or your property, when I saw the stakes and I saw where the surveyors had marked for the lot line, you know, it's, you know, one, you know, it's right there, you know. Okay. So I don't believe that Mary's accurate when she says that it's like three or four feet or whatever. Okay. You know, just a misunderstanding. I think there's just a misunderstanding of the easement alleyway there, the right of way. Yeah. You know, there's a couple fence lines. Most of the fence lines are on the south side of it, you know. Yeah. And so I think just over time, people start to think that, okay, well, where the fence line is. Yeah. If you've been out there visually, it's hard to, you can't see it. Yeah. It's a little overgrown. Yeah. She has to come to us to see if we want. No, well, and that's actually where we don't, I don't think it benefits anybody really to vacate that. I think it'd be better to have an agreement whereby we say we are willing to plant X amount of trees there as a buffer. And if the city allows us to, then we will, we'll do it, you know, and we can execute a plan. We can talk to Rick. We can talk to Barbara. So Steven, this, this white vinyl fence you talked about, would that be by on the property line for the thing? Or if the city would allow you to landscape, you could move it to the other side of the landscaping in which in that case, Debra could have her fence taken down and gain a few inches of nice yard. You'd have a devil. Who's going to take care of the trees? No, I mean, you know, I guess there, we'd have to set up some temporary irrigation. I mean, probably just, you know, a landscaper, she is not. Handwater, you know what I mean? It would probably be part of the association's responsibility. Because my POA, we're responsible for the landscaping on the other side of the street. And that was put into our documents. Yeah, there would have to be a right-of-way use agreement. Yeah. Is she going to run an HOA on that? Yeah, yeah, we're going to have an HOA. We'll definitely have to have an HOA. And the meters will be sub-metered. I mean, there has to be an HOA. Okay. Okay. Debra, what other questions do you have? What other questions did I have? Can you put that white vinyl fence up right away? Because I don't want to see her stuff in the dust and... Well, we try to, I mean, I would like to probably do some of the site work first, you know, just to avoid it being damaged, you know, being in the way, so to speak. How long does her permit last? 12 months. If approved, one year with the ability for a one six-month extension. But as you heard, they already have permits in, so I would assume they're going to get started right away. Yeah. Yeah, so we have the building permits already in, and those have been reviewed. And I think the only comment is getting this re-approved. Oh, sorry. And time's up for three minutes. Yeah. Got it. I was talking to him. Okay. Deborah didn't have her full three minutes, so... You guys can talk further. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Stephen. Good, good. Okay. Is there anyone else who would like to give public input? Okay. Seeing none, we'll go ahead and close public input. Okay. George, any further information from the city that you want to provide before we deliberate? No, sir. No? Stephen, anything else? Any last words? Okay, you're good. Good. Okay. Okay, got it. All right. We'll close it off then. James, any thoughts? Any comments you want to make? No. I'm liking what I'm seeing. Obviously, it's been well hashed out by the city, so I have good confidence that the tough questions that have been asked or will be asked for... Got it. Okay. Deborah? I was sort of fascinated. I mean, I like the idea of the shrubbery, but if you were going to replace and then they'd almost have a double buffer. You know what I mean? So, I was sort of interested in that. Mm-hmm. Okay. So, I think that gets it. The city's got to do a little research before the commission meeting. No, I understand that, but... For the commission meeting, yeah. How do you have to put your recommendation about the season? Okay. Okay. Good, good. I'll come back to you. Yeah, Mr. Chair. Tim. I'd just like to get a... Microphone. Microphone. Thanks, George. Wait, one more time. It took her only three minutes to get a fence. I think the whole city would like that program. Okay. I understand. I'm good. Sally, microphone. I love the project. I think it's great for the city. Correct me if I'm wrong. When you, Deborah, when you asked, were you talking... I was confused. I thought there was nothing there where we were going to do shrubberies, but now there's a fence there. So, you already have a fence there. And you're going to add shrubberies? I got lost. Well, I think the idea is to not only add a little bit of shrubbery, but maybe move the fence back into that if it's a possibility. So, there'll be two things. There'll be a fence and a shrubbery. Right. So, we may not even have to do the shrubbery if they do the fence. Well, it would just... But it would be pretty. It would be... Double. It'd be a double buff. Right. Okay. I mean, I think... Yeah. I think it'd be great if you did both. And I think it's very pretty. Okay. We'll work on that. There's no real change from last time, so I'm happy. Got it. Okay. My comment is... I think it's a great project, too. I think it's nice to see it looking to go forward. I think it's a great enhancement to that area and continues the migration and improvement to the properties and the values in that area. So, I think it's good. Oh, Paul. My apologies. I jumped before you. Please go. Jumped right over. Okay. So, I'm good with the project as well, but going back to the easement, first of all, I know the city has to do their research and figure out what's there, what they can do. I really like the idea of a right-of-way use agreement with the HOA, and that way they would maintain the fence, they would maintain all the shrubbery, they would maintain the trees. The city doesn't have to do it, and then you folks don't have to do it. So, when we make the recommendation, I would like to see that right-of-way use agreement for the HOA to be responsible for that easement and responsible for all maintenance of that easement. No, I think that's great. So, I would position it such that the city move forward with the, you know, if feasible, then a right-of-way use agreement would be required to include those types of things. Such as a fence and shrubbery. Correct. And I think, too, with that, you're going to have time between our meeting here and when it goes to two readings at the city commission level. So, a lot of those things, Steve, can be worked out and actually have a little bit of a plan for that. So, you can see what you're going to get as your backyard neighbors. So, yeah. And all I can see... Well, that's why putting it within the HOA will hopefully take care of that for you. Hopefully we'll take behind her. Good. Okay. Would anyone like to make a motion? That's a hard motion. You've got a great way to... Okay. And I'll correct anything. All right. Thank you. I might have one more thing. Just a second. Just a second. I've got one more. No. You've got... Oh, I... And you've been by there, too. I just envisioned this parade of garbage cans coming down to the end of the road there. I don't know if there's an option to figure out where a dumpster could possibly be in that area. And I'm trying to... I'm just imagining 16 garbage cans at the end of that street. I thought that was what Solid Waste had actually recommended. You know, Solid Waste will obviously look at it. So, in more detail. I don't recall their initial... DRC was so long ago, I can't remember what they initially said. I thought it was... I thought what I heard at that time was that it was going to go to basically a centralized dumpster and then the dumpster was going to be rolled out to the curb. Either way, I know in the past Solid Waste has been comfortable either way as long as there is a... kind of a landing pad, if you will, even if they're roll-offs, if they're rolling out to a pad. But I'll... I'll double back with Solid Waste to make sure that they... Yeah, because I know the road's fairly thin there. Yeah. Tim, if you'd like, when Paul makes a motion, if you want to tag something onto that motion regarding that, you can do that. Yep. Okay. All right. Paul, you're up. I don't know if I'm going to be as eloquent the second time. I think you will. So... So I make the motion to approve and then if feasible, with research done by the city to create a right-of-way use agreement for the HOA to maintain the easement, be responsible for all the shrubs and trees and the fence also that would be installed. Got it. Is that it? Okay. Okay, we have a motion. Do we have any additions? I would like to add or recommend adding a landing pad of some sort if they're not going to have a dumpster area. I think that might make sense or it'll become a real crowded street if that makes sense. What I might suggest is that we kind of turn it back over to Solid Waste and make sure that they're getting exactly what they think they need for the best deal. Okay. Okay. So we've got Paul's motion to approve with research by the city staff for the right-of-way use agreement for the association to do the maintenance of the fence and the landscaping, if that goes. And we would like to add one addition to the motion that Solid Waste Review if a landing pad or a dumpster is more appropriate for the development. Okay? Do we have a second? I'll second. Oh, you go ahead. Dr. Broom. You were first. You beat me. You're first. Dr. Broom. Okay. Dr. Broom, second. Okay. All in favor of the motion? Aye. Any approve or any opposed? No. Okay. Motion approves. Unanimous. Good. Okay, don't. And that is our only agenda item for tonight. Thank you, everybody, for attending. We are adjourned. Thank you. I love you.