Good afternoon. Welcome to the September 17, 2026 Community Redevelopment Agency Special Meeting. I want to call the CRA meeting to order, and we're going to start with our City Attorney, Jen, doing the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. So, we'll start with citizen input. Is there anyone in the audience that wishes to come forward and speak on an issue that is not on the agenda tonight? Okay. Seeing no rush to the front, I will close citizen input, and we'll go to our business of the day. One is draft minutes from the July 23, 2026 Community Redevelopment Agency meeting. Are there any changes to the minutes? Okay. Hearing none, can I have a motion? So moved. Second. Okay. I have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. And motion passes unanimously. Okay. CRA Resolution 26-03, Fiscal Year 2027, Operating in Capital Budget. Jen, can you please read CRA Resolution 26-03 by title only? Community Redevelopment Agency CRA Resolution 26-03, a resolution of the City Commission of the City of Dunedin, Florida, as the governing body of the City of Dunedin Community Redevelopment Agency, CRA, adopting the operating and capital budget for the City of Dunedin Community Redevelopment Agency for the fiscal year, beginning October 1, 2026, and ending September 30, 2027, and providing for an effective date. That was Resolution 26-03, read by title only. Thank you, Jen. I could have a motion. So moved. Second. Okay. I have a motion. I have a second. I'm going to go to staff presentation by Bob Ironsmith. Certainly. Obviously, this is Bob Ironsmith, Economic Development Director. This is for fiscal year 27. This is our CRA budget, just kind of some of the high points, what we're looking to do. We're going to streetscape Main Street, okay, from the trail to Broadway. We're going to widen that sidewalk on the north side. It will be all new brick pavers. It will be landscaping. This is, again, a continued effort to make sure that we spruce up and make the downtown continue to be the top destination in the area. Yeah. That's one of our major initiatives. I'm sorry, Bob. What did you say it was? This is the streetscape project on Main from the trail to Broadway in front of Cafe El Fresco going forward to West. Got it. And what's been out there has been out there for a very long time. It's kind of tired, downtrodden. We want to go ahead and refresh that. So that's a major initiative for us. We're looking to do that kind of right after Easter or toward the end of April or May. We want to make sure we don't impact the merchants. We try to do these projects, if we can, during the slower time for them. We will go ahead and also be very similar to what we did in front of Casa Tina, where we do take up that parking on the north side. That will be used as a staging mobilization area. And we'll look to go ahead and move forward with that. We'll always keep one lane of traffic open. We want to make sure that we don't impact the merchants in any too difficult a way. It will be a little bit of inconvenience, but when the project starts, it's going to look great, just like Casa Tina. The other aspect that's a major initiative for us is an update to our CRA master plan. The CRA does sunset in 2033. The plan that we have in place today is 2012-2013. We've put together a unique partnership with Forward Pinellas. Some studies like this could cost a quarter of a million dollars, but in this case, our participation is about $49,000 for an economic development study. Forward Pinellas is going to go ahead and hire a landscape architect for about $50,000, and the rest is all their technical time. This will be a situation where we're going to look for public input, and frankly, we're going to meet with the CRA board here also to get your input. This is to set the stage for the future. We're also not looking at just 2033. We know at that point in time the county partnership will come to an end, but we also want to look to make sure that the city stays involved, and we still have a CRA that is formed that will go ahead and have dedicated funding toward it. So that's another major initiative. We've got a couple bulb outs that we're looking to do. One is right here on Virginia, next to City Hall, where you see those white kind of stanchion poles or cones or bollards. They're called white bollards. The ones that I hate? Yes, that we hate. That will be looked to be upright curb with landscaping, similar to what we have in the rest of downtown. We'll also look to do the one that we had postponed, which was that little bit enhanced street paver sidewalk connection on Douglas Avenue. We're kind of Grand Street by John Freeborn's law office, so we also want to get that put in play. Those are some of the big initiatives that we have. Obviously, we've had a busy year this year, which I can cover on the director's report, a little bit more Skinner, Grand Oak Park. Those are starting to come toward an end, and these will be the new initiatives that we look at for the year. But that pretty much represents the budget as far as impact relative to Amendment 3, about $150,000 in 28, $250,000 in 29. But you have to understand in the CRA, we're a little bit more commercial-oriented, less on the residential side, and we have some major projects that will be starting that will offset some of those losses, which would be the Main Street Exchange, which is the hotel, boutique hotel, retail, and restaurant there. So the CRA is healthy. That's the positive thing that I wanted to get forward to you. Are we going to lose and have some negative impact on Amendment 3? Absolutely. Do I wish it wasn't occurring? Yes. But I think like you had all the time spent today, we need to plan for it, and that's one of the things that City Manager Jennifer Brantley wanted to make sure that we planned for it. So we are, and we'll continue to move forward with what we need to do. So I'd be happy to answer any questions. And, of course, I have Finance Director Les Tyler right here, too, for anything that's more particular that I haven't covered. Okay, questions on the CRA budget, starting with the Vice Mayor? You know, Bob, that was so thorough that I have no questions. No, I think you probably got tired before this meeting, but thank you. Commissioner Sandbergen, questions? Nothing on that, but we'll have a chance later on. Yeah, this is just the budget. No questions, Mayor. Commissioner Gow. Oh, thank you, Mayor. Yeah, Bob, in the budget, you have, there's a debt service line. Yes. What are we paying for there? What is? It's a very, yes, Commissioner, very large debt service. It's $9.1 million. And this is really as a placeholder at this point in time relative to the parking garage, if that goes forward. So that is borrowing for that parking facility on Scotland. So it's a placeholder at this time. Of course, nothing will happen without Commission's decision on this. So are we paying for a placeholder, or what? Currently, the debt service is probably made up of two things, too. One is on the property purchase that we have on Scotland. Okay. I think the debt service one has, what, about $440? Yeah, $440 is the current debt service on the property. And the rest was borrowing additional dollars if we go forward with that parking garage. But, again, it's a placeholder. Nothing's been secured, and nothing will go forward without Commission's direction. Okay. And we know that, right, if the parking garage moves forward, the idea is that the term of that financing will extend beyond $33. It would roll to the general fund, but we have that CRA money that will roll into the general fund along with it. Correct, Commissioner. Right. So it's not an additional burden on the taxpayer, the fact that the CRA sunsets and we've got this outstanding debt. You said it perfectly, yes. Absolutely. Not an additional impact in that way. Correct. It would probably be a 15-year amortization. It goes past to 2033, and that would be picked up at the increased revenue that's coming out of the CRA after 2033. Is there any benefit to something like this that the financing is originated through the CRA versus just the general fund? Well, I think, wow, that's a good question. For benefits, interest rate benefits? I think, I don't want, you know, I'm going to defer to Les here a little bit, but it's guaranteed by the general fund, so I think the interest rates would be very competitive. But I'll defer to Les here a little bit. Yeah, I agree with Bob's comment. The loan would be a general government loan, which would include all governmental funds, so it would be paid for by the CRA, but it would be based on all of our general fund and all our governmental funds, so the interest rate would likely be about the same, whether we did it all general fund or in the CRA. So we get the benefit of the borrowing capacity of the city. So, yes, Commissioner. Okay, and right now for 27, it looks like the property tax coming in is 2.3, and that's about a 50-50 split with the county? Yes, it is. At this point in time, it is. Yes, sir. It looks like 1.1, 1.2 comes from the county, and we put it with our 1.1, our 1.2, and that makes up that fund. Yes. Right. Yes, it does. All right. Those are all the questions that I have right now. Thank you very much. Okay, questions. Commissioner Dugard. Thank you, Mayor. Very comprehensive, Commissioner. I'd like your questions. Bob, we have a diminishing ending available fund balance. It was 1.6 in 2006, and it's going down to 727. I would imagine that's the cycle engaged with the garage and the 9.1 million going on there. Is that the case? Yeah, it does cycle absolutely relative to that. But you're talking about funds, reserve funds each year. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, just what you said. And, of course, it gets picked up as we move forward. So with these capital projects, they cycle. Yes. We have a recommendation from finance that we defer the development of the garage, not so much because it's going to affect the city budget, but because it has optics that give the community some concerns. How would you answer that question? I'm certainly going to answer it in a different perspective relative to what was said there. We pay over $200,000 in parking leases each year. We have over a $300 million asset in their downtown. The downtown creates not only property tax, but also creates all the penny for Pinellas, all the restaurants, all the retail. We also get money to the general fund through electric and utility franchise fees. I think a parking garage is very much needed. I think it's something that we need to move forward with. I'll continue to keep that stance. I understand that the chair of the Board of Finance Committee had a different perspective, but I think the garage isn't necessary, and I think we need to get out of leases. Just as an example, the Ocean Optics lease, we pay $48,000 a year for. That will change the demo probably sometime around June. We won't be able to use that parking lot. And the First United Methodist Church now is looking at the sale of their sanctuary property there on Main Street. We also have a lease with them. So between the two of them, we'll lose over 150 parking spaces. That's a pretty big number. So obviously this is something we've been saying for a while. At risk, lease parking is going away. And then the lease, a large one with Mr. Kokolakis at the Artisan, that's up in 2033. So that's 190-plus parking spaces. So I think we need to make sure that we continue to keep our future intact and that we go ahead and have our direction. Appreciate your answer. That's all the questions I have. Thank you, Mary. That was very comprehensive of you, Bob. Now, we've talked about this budget a lot, so I don't have any additional comments. So I'm going to open it up for public comment. Anyone in the audience wish to come forward and speak on the CRA budget? Okay. Seeing no one, I will close public comment. I will go to CRA comments. And starting with maker of the motion, Commissioner Ducard. First of all, well run. Finance is doing a great job of keeping up with you. He is. Working with finance is great. I can't tell you how much they help us from Ruptirol. And his support staff, too, with Gene, is fantastic. If you could always figure out a way how to fund a swimming pool. I mean, I know it's not inside the CRA, but we'd love to have you fix that. Yeah, I understand. I understand. But kudos to you on a job well done. We're looking forward to seeing more. And congratulations to the projects. Skinner Street looks fantastic. Grand Oak Park coming along. The only problem with it is it makes us look too good. Thank you, Mayor. Okay. Seconder of the motion. Final comments. Vice Mayor. No additional comments. I'd like to plan. Thank you. Okay. Other final comments. Commissioner Sandbergen. Nothing to add, Mayor. Commissioner Gow. Final comments. Yeah, I look at the future projects outside the garage. And aside from this budget, and I don't know whether this is the appropriate time to do this or not, but I would like, as far as a contingency plan for the City of Dunedin, to consider dissolving the CRA. That is, we get 1.1, 1.2 million that would go back to our general fund and go a long way on balancing the budget and things that we can do. I think the CRA at one time served its purpose, and that's justified by looking downtown now. And so that's kind of my comment, is that that's a lot of money that's going to one location as opposed to citywide. Okay. And I don't really, again, I don't really have any comments. I think we've talked about the budget a lot. And so we'll go to roll call vote. Commissioner Sandbergen. Aye. Commissioner Gow. Aye. Vice Mayor Walker. Aye. Commissioner Dugard. Aye. And Mayor Franey. Aye. And the motion passes unanimously. Okay. We're going to go to Community Redevelopment Agency Advisory Committee Chair Report. And it looks like it might not be Alan Hale. It might be Kimberly. Kim. It's going to be Kim from Hanu. Come on down. Kim is the Vice Chair there. Hey, Kimberly. Did you bring painkillers? One of my favorite drinks over there. Sorry. Okay. There you go. I mean, we're having a long day, so I'm just getting a little levity. Okay. But did you bring them? Did you bring them? Okay. Okay. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, we could actually legally have them up here. Oh, yep. Hello. Okay. So, yes. Great. Go with your report. I am standing in for Alan, who is the chair. I think last time I was here, I was also standing in for Alan, who is the chair, because he was in Scotland both times, I believe. And these are just the recap of the meeting minutes from May 6th meeting. We started right on time. We started right on time, as Alan does. I did not have his gavel, so that was the big difference. We had a little bit of discussion about the approval of the minutes, but we did approve them as they were written. And we talked about land development code was our new business. Highlights, and as Bob had said already, that that's on their agenda to start doing. And then director's report, most of what Bob has talked about, the Grand Oak Park project, which is near and dear to my heart. And from my perspective across the street, it's moving right along. Looks like it. We talked about infrastructure and construction challenges that they had over there, and it seems that they are getting through that pretty quickly. And I guess the testing is also going very well over there, so I'm happy to see that and cannot wait for a ribbon cutting there. We can provide appetizers just in case. We talked about the Main Street and Ocean Optics development, which is going to be the Main Street exchange. Everybody's very excited about that, so potential demolition activity. Also, everybody's very excited and wants a no-timeline on that, so we're all paying attention to that. We talked about housing and residential developments, downtown housing trends, the flats project, near Lukens there, 78 apartment units. And then we did not have any old business, and our liaison reports, which was pride, which was me again, so pride. We had talked about the month of events, which has now passed, and as a sidebar, I just wanted to say thank you to you guys again for helping us. We were able to donate $5,000 to each of our charities, so that was $15,000. We donated in our first year, and we still have $38,000 in the bank to seed us for next year, just in case anybody can't help us. We're trying to think ahead. Steve Beatty had talked about car shows that he's been successful with and hopes to continue that. And then we had a small discussion on citizens' input for the complexity of managing multiple projects downtown at one time. I know Bob and his whole team does a great job trying to keep them not all at the same time, because it's hard. You know, trucks are a thing on our small streets, so it ended up a very good discussion, but it was brought up. And our next meeting was July 8th, and we're adjourned by 5.03. Does anybody have any questions? Questions starting with Commissioner Gow. Questions for Kim? No. Commissioner Dugard? Vice Mayor? No, I just had a comment, though. Okay. I love your shirt. It is cool. It's very cool. Aaron and Margaret got me and Lisa these matchy-matchy about a year ago, and so every time I wear it, I have to think about Aaron and read another passage from one of his books, because if you haven't read his books, I'm a huge proponent of them. They just make me laugh. That's awesome. That's the shirt. That's cool. Thank you. That's good. Thanks for sharing the memory. Commissioner Sandberg, any questions? I had no questions, Mayor. Okay. I don't have any questions either, but thanks for all you do. We appreciate it. Thanks for being here. Sure. Thank you. All right. Take care. Okay. We will move on to Community Redevelopment Agency Director's Report, and Bob, you're on. Sure. Mayor, I'll go through this relatively quick. Skinner Boulevard looking great. As you know, Commissioner Dugard mentioned, the landscaping exceeding my expectations, really looking like a nice boulevard. It certainly starts to hide all those one-way signs that were driving me absolutely nuts from a placemaking perspective. And Skinner, to transform a state road, four-lane, high-speed, bifurcating our downtown to what we have now, which is two lanes, with bus pull-offs, which you never see, bike lanes and landscaping and irrigation, just couldn't say enough about it. And, of course, we've got about $7 million in grants for that project. So kudos also to Ford Pinellas for starting this with a $100,000 grant in 2017 and providing a million dollars toward infrastructure. Just a great story, a great partnership. Grand Oak Park, which Kim said, has come to a conclusion. The bathrooms will be in March, but the park should be done probably in the next several weeks. And it really looks nice, the pergolo, the brick pavers, the seating, all that. Nice complement. And if you remember, this was part of the downtown East End plan. We wanted a pocket park that was going to be a respite for people to come to. You could eat lunch, read a book, have small performances. This was part of that East End Main Street edge. So very, very happy with the way that came out. The Main Street Exchange, they're going to continue probably with their project in May or June of next year. But the garage on Douglas is moving. If you see that big crane out there, you can't miss it. They're moving with the precast, and all that is going well, too. And Bill Mazas has been very, very responsive. Main Street streetscaping, as I mentioned, will probably start somewhere in April, May period of time. And from there, we'll also have that CRA master plan that I mentioned to you. We're going to start kicking that off in October. And I got a call from the Rails to Trails Conservancy, and they're doing a coast-to-coast bike ride from St. Pete all the way up to Titusville. And this is for their sponsors that are provided. And guess what? They want to come downtown Dunedin. They're going to start a ride. And they want to have a dinner at the Bon Appetit, and they asked me to be a speaker for them. And I said, certainly, I'd be happy to do that. So very excited that we're always represented. There will also be something next year, sometime around this year, where we'll also get some recognition for being the first trail town in the state of Florida. A pretty big honor, frankly. And we'll also have probably a nice little ceremony for that in the future. Be happy to answer any questions that you might have relative to downtown or the CRA. But I think we're clicking on all cylinders at this point in time. Questions for Bob? Sir, any of the Vice Mayor? Thank you, Mayor. You know, I guess it was... So Claudia and I were out of town for a few weeks over August. And, you know, when we left, you still had a portion of the fence around the Grand Oak Park. Yeah. We came back, though, and it was like this transformation. I mean, it looks like a lot of things went right in August. Well, I will say the city manager wanted to also give him a little bit of a kick to get going. So he did have some pressure, which was great. But, yes, it looks good. Well done. Next. Any questions? Commissioner Sandberg? Yes, I do, Mayor. Let's see. You know, we've talked about that park. And obviously it's right in front of Hanu. She can monitor it. And we all drive by it very regularly. You know, a couple of people have come to me and talked about making it a wedding venue. What do you think is something like that going forward? Make us a destination. I personally think it's a pretty good idea, but I'm going to defer a little bit to the city manager. We've had conversation on this. Oh, okay. I didn't know that. Yes, we did. We did talk about this a couple weeks ago. We did. It would be a delightful spot. And so what we have to do is talk about the programming, though, and work with parks and recreation, special events, and all those types of things. There's a lot that goes into that. I know parks and rec has concerns, but that said, I think that they can be overcome. And it's a way to generate some revenue, actually, moving forward. Right. So, yeah, we'll definitely be discussing that for sure. You know, we have nice hotels. We have nice restaurants. We have shops. All right, that was good. I really like the re-sodding inside Pioneer Park. Can we somehow put our best foot forward and maybe reconfigure the layout of the merchants during the market so we don't have it look so bad at the end of their season again? Okay. Yeah, certainly understand that. I know I told Tony it looks like Disney out there. He did such a fantastic job of parks with it. And I've had several conversations with the city manager and the market, and what we really want to do is do a transition. We'd like to go into the market one more year and then transition here to Loudoun and to a portion of the parking lot here. And we'll be coming to you with that. We want to move it because we certainly understand that it just beats it up pretty good. Okay. And so you're going to see a transition in play for that. And we have spent a lot of time on it, frankly. One of the things that got my attention was when it came for 9-11 and sort of Loudoun closed down. I was like, bingo. This is going to be a perfect opportunity for the market with a little bit of the parking lot. So we are going to transition. But the other reasons for that is, well, the construction that's going to happen out there and, of course, losing the Ocean Optics parking lot. But we've got one more year in there. And we certainly can talk to the vendors a little bit about trying to make it a little less impactful. But I'm not going to promise anything because it's certainly quite a bit of vendors out there. Good. I didn't realize that that had even been considered. Because the other thing is, you know, I'm not sure how much, you know, I'm very pro-small business. And I'm not sure some of those vendors are direct competition with our local tenants, our local businesses. Yeah. I can assure you they're not. And I've gotten calls. And then I've had the vendor dropped. So it's really a good activity engine bringing people. But we think this also could help spur the east end of town. And that's why we want to bring it here. And, you know, we looked at other locations. You know, the summer market is at the museum. But I don't want to go there when I'm ripping up Main Street. So that didn't work. And then we looked at Railroad Avenue. I can tell your staff behind me, Trevor and Matt have spent loads of time looking at other options. And this one just finally started to hit us. And it just seemed to make sense. So you will see a transition put in play. I have just a couple other ones. We have a mess developing next to Vescolini and Monroe Townhouses there. That one-way alley is being used the wrong way during all that construction. When I was there this morning doing my city work, I saw four vehicles go south on that one-way alley. Okay. What, you know, I hate to see the sheriff's office sitting out there. What can we do so that we don't get somebody hit in that area? Well, maybe what we can do, you know, I'm not sure. Obviously, I know the alley. But I'm not sure, you know, maybe we need to stripe a white arrow out there that shows pointing just in the one direction to the north. Oh, my God, Bob. They're driving by a do not enter sign this big. Yeah. I think, Bob, we probably can't answer it right now. We have to look at it and figure out a way to address that. I'll talk to engineering, too. Okay. And I know you talked about the Skinner. Two other ones I had. For years, we've talked about the gateway. Is there anything with that property up there that's on the table? Yeah, you know, we just met with Joe Kokolakis. Our team went up to Tarpon as relationship building. We went to take a look at one of his new projects. We certainly are asking him to get going. He's going to wait a little bit to see what happens with Bill Mazas with his hotel, I think, before. But he is getting some inquiries. There are some things we want to look at to see how we can get him at least start looking at a concept out there. But there's nothing immediate on the table at this point in time. It's been a long time coming. I mean, it's been years. Listen, I negotiated a deal to buy the land for the city. So, you know, I'm a big part of this. I remember it years ago. We bought it for $2.1 million. So, yeah, it's a long time. But we've got a strong developer. It's a question of timing and getting him to go. Just don't ask Bob about coffee cups, okay? Don't. Yeah, that's right. I know what you're talking about. That's right. That's right. Yeah, I remember. That was on the LP. Jennifer has a very good memory. I forgot. And the last one, this has come up a couple of times. That Honey Lane-Casatina project, there's – I mean, it's – the building was torn down. The fence, the barriers are up. Is there any progress on that piece of property? Not at this point in time, no. She's looking to do. She had hired consultants, but it's been quiet for the last probably four months or so. I think she got concerned with war interest rates and things of that nature. So at this point in time, it's paused. Well, I'm done with you, Mayor. That's all I had. Okay. All right. No, no problem. Okay. Commissioner Gow, questions? No questions, Mayor. Questions? Commissioner Dugard? Who can follow Steve? I know he asked me. No questions. Thank you. Thank you. Well, I was going to say, if you're looking at Main Street streetscaping, have you looked at our sustainability report? Because it's got some ideas for in front of Smokehouse and – Yeah, we've talked a little bit with them. Have you done that? So you guys will be, like, thinking together? Oh, we're talking about it. Yeah. I mean, there's questions and, of course, cost and revenue and things of that nature, too. Yeah, I get that. I don't think I really have much. I mean, I had, like, five things, but Steve asked them, so – No, just kidding. I'm just kidding. Nope, I don't really have any. So final comments? Commissioner Gow? No comments, Mayor. Commissioner Dugard? No comments, Mayor. Vice Mayor? Nothing additional to say. Thank you. Okay. Commissioner Sandbergen? I'm going to slip one more question. Any update on the Koch property? Sure. They're looking to get a clearance for the Department of Environmental Protection. If you remember, there's some arsenic in the soil there at some level. We have had calls with them, with the city manager, and we expect them to get clearance in the next two months. And I'm hoping this goes up on the market in January. And we've had developers call us, and we're fielding those. And we're also taking a look at some plans that they're thinking of. So, yep. Good. I had no comments. Just one last question. Thank you. That's fine. No, I mean, keep up the good work. I drove down Skinner again, and, I mean, it's looking fantastic. And, I mean, really, like, when I go down there sometimes, I just, like, take myself back for a moment to what it used to be, where you just closed your eyes and you just gunned across the street and hoped you didn't get hit. So, it's, I just, I love that project, and I think it was so worth the money. I don't actually have any other things. So, sure, go ahead. Yeah, absolutely. We need some education for some of our drivers on roundabouts. Can we do a video on how to drive a roundabout? I can talk to communications and see what they can do. I think it might be helpful because I've just about been hit twice. I understand. I think if we get a kindergarten class on tricycles and just, yeah. Oh, that's lovely. That would work. I think, yeah, a YouTube video, and, you know, I'll do the casting for that. Yeah, there's got to be some humorous things we could do with that. But, so, before we adjourn, I didn't want to ignore Commissioner Gao's comment about the CRA and the potential sunsetting of the CRA. So, is there any support for staff looking at that or considering that as part of contingency or not? Well, let me ask a question on that because I don't know how the money we get, we get money for CRA, and without CRA, we don't get that money. You're right. Yeah, and the strong CRA creates a lot of other money for the general fund, as I mentioned. You've got Penny for Pinellas, you've got utility franchises. There's a lot of other elements to a strong downtown as an economic driver. So, yeah. The county, yeah, if the county's gone, you've got $1.2 million that you won't have anymore. Sure. Yeah. I just, yeah, I thought I was missing something, but, yeah, okay. Okay, so. Wasn't a CRA originally, like, for blighted properties? Yeah, correct, it is. So, obviously, it's a far cry from blighted properties. He's looking outside this window, so. Yeah. Well, maybe Jeff's onto something. Thank you. Anybody else? Yeah. I do think it might be helpful to have that financial analysis, not just from the cost, but from the benefits and those lost parking spots, just to see the math. Because I understand that we're going to lose those parking places, and we're going to lose revenue. And if you put it all together, I think it will support the parking garage. But I want to be sure that I'm accurate in my assumptions. Okay. Yeah, so maybe it's just something as we move forward and look at different options. But, I mean, I'm, you know, to me, I want to ride the ride as long as we can, because we are getting, you know, I don't want to say free, but we're getting leverage money from the county of $1.2 million a year to help us achieve things that we know we need in the downtown. So, but still, you know, I want to respect Jeff's comment. And, you know, and people have brought it up. So, I mean, I understand the thought. So, and we are going to need the money in our general fund, depending on what happens. So, okay. If there's nothing else for the good of the order? No? Nothing? Okay. And if there's no painkillers that are being brought forward, then I'm going to adjourn the meeting.