Welcome to the March 20th, 2025 City Commission meeting. I'd like to call the meeting to order, and we'll start with our invocation and our Pledge of Allegiance by Jen, our City Attorney. Let us begin this meeting by taking a brief moment of silence and reflection. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. Okay, first of all, before we have our presentations, I know we have some special guests in the audience, and these special guests happened to call someone up here on the diaz, Grammy. And so I'm going to ask our City Manager, a la Grammy, to introduce who's here tonight. Well, live from Indianapolis, Indiana, which was a 17-hour drive with a 6-year-old, a 4-year-old, and a 6-month-old. Yes, and they made it alive. Mom and Dad are here, Stephen, our son, Haley, our daughter-in-law, and then Ellie, who's 6, Grady, who's 4, and Sutton, who's 6 months. Say hi. We figure, Eric, that we'll get them on the bagpipe soon. As soon as you're ready, just let us know. You and Ian, just let us know. They're ready to go. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. That's awesome, and welcome. We're glad you're here, and we love Grammy, too. Thank you. Most of the time, right? Yeah, most of the time. Thank you. Okay, so we'll go to our presentations, and we have 57th Highland Games and Festival Week proclamation, and I will turn that over to Vice Mayor Gao, since he is our Scottish liaison. Thank you, Mayor, very much. I'm very excited. At this time, I'd like to invite up Ian Donaldson and Eric McNeil to the podium. Ian Donaldson is the piping instructor for the City of Dunedin, and Eric McNeil is the drumming instructor for the City of Dunedin. And when I say the City of Dunedin, I'm talking the City of Dunedin. Our middle school, our high school, two, three, four, five city bands, depending on where we are at the moment. There's always a ton of them. Real quickly, before I get talking about the proclamation, I just want to acknowledge Eric McNeil. And on March 8th, he competed in the British Columbia Pipers Association, I'm sorry, the Royal Scottish Pipe Band Association Specific Room Adult Solo Snare Championship in Simon Fraser University, and Eric McNeil came in second place. And so that is the quality of the piping instruction that the students get in the City of Dunedin. So well done, Eric. Thanks, sir. Well done. Thank you so much. And that our Halloween games, it's not in the proclamation, so I'm not spoiling. Can I just recognize Ian for something for you? Oh, sure. Let's, yeah. I just want to share that Ian played and did the lead-in at my mother's celebration of life on February 23rd, and it was amazing. You know, we got, it wasn't my mother, but I got compliments about how well you played. So thank you very much. Thank you. It meant a lot. You know, and the Highland games are coming up April 5th, and they started out as a band booster fundraiser out on the football field. And the purpose of it was to raise funds for the Scottish bands in our community, and that's still what they do today. But they have grown to the point where they've had to be moved out to Highlander Park out at the community center, and it is one of the signature events for the entire county. And so it's amazing that we get that type of spotlight every year for our Scottish performing arts in our community. So thank you both for doing that. And so here we are today. It's Highland games festival week. How exciting. Whereas in 1899, Scottish families settled in what is now known as the city of Dunedin. Whereas pleasant reminders of our Scottish heritage continue through the naming of our schools, shopping centers, streets, and buildings. And whereas in 1967, the Highland games were implemented to raise funds to support the three Scottish bands of Dunedin. The City of Dunedin Pipe Band, the Dunedin High School Scottish Highlander Band, and the Dunedin Highland Middle School Band. And whereas our continuing interest in the Scottish heritage and customs is further reflected in our often in our clad bands, professionally trained bagpipers, and Highland dancers and athletes. And whereas in this year's 57th annual Highland games and festival, we continue to pay tribute to our Scottish origin. And whereas we also pay tribute to this year's honorary chieftain for 2025, Donald McCollum, in recognition for his many years of service as emcee and voice of the Highland games for decades, as his father did before him. Now I, therefore, now therefore I, Jeff Gow, by the authority vested in me by the mayor of the city of Dunedin, and on behalf of the entire city commission, do hereby recognize the 57th annual Highland games and festival week, commencing on Friday, April 4th, with the Pipe Band March through downtown Dunedin, along Main Street, and ending at John R. Lawrence Pioneer Park, for a festival and gathering. The Highland games will then take place on Saturday, April 5th, at Highlander Park. We encourage all citizens and residents to participate in the many activities planned for this special tradition and occasion. Thank you. Can you just come up? Say anything quickly? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Thanks. Absolutely. And advertise and all that stuff you need to do. Sure, I'll just, a few highlights to share. Ian and I both work on the committee that plans for the Highland games, and it's going really well so far. Hopeful for a very good weather forecast, and I think we'll be in good shape. Our presale numbers are the highest they've ever been at this point. Registrations are up higher for piping and drumming, Highland dancing, athletics, which the athletes have had a few events sell out completely. They can't take any more in certain areas. I think we have about 10 more clans and societies that are planning to travel here and participate this year. And these are competitors and participants and organizations that are traveling in from all over Florida, southeast U.S., parts of the north, all over the U.S., and even some competitors coming in from Canada. So we're pretty excited to welcome everybody here for that. It should be great. It's definitely become a full community event to be able to put this on. A number of our vendors are all sort of our local-based. We're happy to have Dunedin Brewery and Sterling Wine there, as well as Great Bay, who helps bring some of the House of Beers into the event, along with some classic favorites as well. Dunedin High School, several of the sports booster clubs are involved in volunteering for the games to help us with parking and setup and teardown. So it's really become a huge event and something that's really a community effort. So we're looking forward to a great day. Thank you very much. Eric, before you go, if I may, Mayor. Yes, please. Ray, as you mentioned, some of the clubs and organizations at the school. And certainly so now the growth of the games impacts more than just the Scottish arts and music. And you can't put this on just by yourself or just as a committee. It takes volumes and volumes of people that just come out and support and help. There's a lot of people who spend a lot of their free time to volunteer and help organize lots of different aspects. And so how are you on the volunteers? Good. Really good. Actually, I believe the last update I had, we had two spots out of, like, I think it's 332, two spots that were not filled for volunteering. So it's pretty amazing. Phenomenal. So we're going to get a picture, but beforehand I am going to say this will be the first Highland Games, me as mayor. And I really want to be able to tell the former mayor, best games ever. So challenge on. We'll do our best. Okay. We need to get a picture. If you guys come up here and then we'll all stand up. Thank you very much. So we know that it took care of the grandkids. You know, they just, a little bit of the meaning. I think the baby was warming up the opera singing. That's it. Okay. Our next item is the 2025 Clearwater for Youth scholarship recipients. And I want to say before I call Kevin and Hoyt up, so Commissioner Dugard and I were honored to stand in for the whole commission yesterday morning. When they had, the Clearwater for Youth had a wonderful event, breakfast, that was sponsored by the Toronto Blue Jays. It was out in the WestJet area above the park. And it was amazing with some of the kids that, I think there were 15 kids that received scholarships. And then three I think are from Dunedin High. But if you all could come forward and tell us a little bit about the program before we honor two of the three that are here tonight. Absolutely. Thank you, Mayor. Kevin Dunbar, I'm the Executive Director of Clearwater for Youth. With me is our Vice Chair. Many of you may recognize him, Hoyt Hamilton. We're excited to be here. CFY, over the last three or four years, has really expanded its reach throughout Pinellas County. If you don't know, we've invested last year over $60,000 in youth programming just in the city of Dunedin. Part of almost a million dollars that we provided last year throughout Pinellas County. Our core still is, we're focused on youth athletics. Making sure that every child can play a sport, regardless of their ability to be able to play that. We also do the same thing with the arts. We also help programs get safety equipment. So programs like the Dunedin Junior Falcons, Dunedin Little League, Sterling Soccer, as well as we've got a partnership with Dunedin Fine Arts Center to make sure children have access to be able to participate in those programs. That's about 65% of our giving. About 10% of our giving is based around what we call Title I water safety. We're working with Pinellas County schools to make sure every child that goes to a Title I school, grades K through 2, get two weeks of water safety lessons as part of their PE classes. We are providing the transportation and the connection to the community to be able to make those things happen. In 2025, we're anticipating 3,000 kids will go through that program. But what we're here to talk about today is our collegiate or post-secondary scholarship program. This year, we finished giving away, yesterday, as the mayor said, 40 college scholarships in partnership with the Philadelphia Phillies, in partnership with the Toronto Blue Jays. As the mayor said, we have something we call Breakfast at the Ballpark Series. Many people don't get the opportunity to be at a ballpark before the sun comes up. But we got to see the sun rise yesterday as we got to see it rise last week in Clearwater. In total, we're providing $335,000 in scholarships to students throughout Pinellas County. Of those, roughly 18 of them will be the first one in their families to go to college. So there's a big effort that goes on in terms of working with the schools to get commitment from the administrative staff to really find the kids because they know those kids. You know, it's easy to give away a scholarship. It's more difficult to give away a scholarship to the right child. But Principal Dunedin is here tonight, and he'll tell you, correct him, the last two years, the three kids from Dunedin High School, those would have been the same three kids you would have picked, right, for the program. So that's a testament to the work that they are doing in terms of making that happen. 13 different high schools, but three of our winners this year, again, were from Dunedin High School. One was not able to make it today due to working. We've had it in the past where they've been coming from a softball game or a track meet or something like that, and they kind of roll in to the meeting after. But what we would love to do now would be to introduce those students to you. That would be great. What do you want to go ahead? Well, first off, Cluart for Youth is an organization that's very near and dear to my heart. I actually didn't have gray hair when I started serving on the board at Cluart for Youth. But I'll tell you, if you ever want a challenge, rewarding challenge, go through over 300 applications for a scholarship and have to narrow it down and then rank your top 20 of those applications. It is a tedious but highly rewarding exercise. And to see these young people and meet them in person after you've gone through that process is really, really something. So with that, yeah, I'm going to let you do the interview. That's your job. That's what you get paid for. That's right. So not with us today is Sophia Harmon-Green. She was a recipient. Many of you know Frank Chavis, Bay Star Restaurant Group, is one of our sponsors. The way it works is our sponsors actually donate the funds to cover their scholarship. CFY is set up with an endowment where in perpetuity it covers the operating costs of the organization. So every dollar we raise goes directly to supporting a child. So in this case, through Mr. Chavis, $10,000 is provided to Sophia Harmon-Green, who will be attending the University of Miami this year. Had been a cheerleader in the Dunedin Junior Falcon program, flag football player, cheerleader, future business of America, and she's also involved in her student government. But one of the things is I think, Mayor, you can agree with me yesterday. If you're worried about the future when you're around these kids, you don't have to worry any longer. And Sophia is right there. Next, Matt, Olivia, would you guys come up? So Olivia Lange, for those who have been around for a while, you may remember the name Fred Fisher. We lost Fred two years ago. He was the founding principal behind CFY when it was created back in 1972. So Long Center Foundation has done a scholarship in his name and his honor. And our recipient this year is Olivia Lange, who is planning on attending the St. Leo's University. Olivia, high school varsity soccer, she was first-team PCAC, competitive soccer, principal, has her on his principal's list. And she also played for the Dunedin Sterling soccer program. And we also have here Matt Summers. As many of us heard yesterday, Matt, as well as our board chair, who's 6'8". And Ace is a lot. That's a big bird. I've got to tell you. I've got to tell you that. So we had the front lines of a team we were going to take into the NCAA tournament this weekend. But Matt is, we have a partnership with St. Petersburg College. And so Matt will be going. We are providing tuition, books, and fees covered for two years. So Matt is able to go get his associate's degree. And he plans on doing that in mechanical engineering. Surprise, varsity basketball player, National Honor Society, National Technical Honor Society, STEM club, as well as he's involved in student government. And so what we have before you to present to you today is some of the best of the best at Dunedin High School that really told great stories. Because as our vice chair, Hamilton, said, they have to write us a pretty extensive essay to explain why them. These are the top 10% of the kids that we came across. And they have great stories to tell. They have great futures ahead of them. And we're excited just to be part of those futures with them and be able to provide that. So with that, I present them to you. I also told them they need to do a five-minute speech. That's cool. Well, we do have certificates for each of you. And then, yeah, I would like you each to say something. But first, Olivia, we have one for you. And let me read it. I will say, wait, I got it. Before I forget, I think the gray hair came from being on Clearwater City Commission, didn't it? It wasn't from the other. Certificate of Recognition presented to Olivia Lang of Dunedin High School in recognition of her scholarship achievement awarded by Clearwater for Youth. The city of Dunedin is proud to acknowledge this outstanding accomplishment. Congratulations from the city of Dunedin. Thank you, guys. I'm forever grateful and just blessed for this opportunity because going to college does come with financial burdens. And to be able to go to college at St. Leo University to continue my academic and athletic career, just a little less of a financial burden is just an opportunity I'll forever be grateful for. So thank you, guys. Great. And do you like Matt or Matthew? Okay. Okay. Certificate of Recognition presented to Matthew Summers of Dunedin High School in recognition of his scholarship achievement awarded by Clearwater for Youth. The city of Dunedin is proud to acknowledge this outstanding accomplishment. Congratulations from the city of Dunedin. I'm really grateful for this opportunity that CFY has provided for me so I can continue my education at SPC, get my AA degree in mechanical engineering, and then transfer to USF. This will help me cover my costs of attending SPC, both books and tuition, so I can focus on my studies instead of the cost of college. So I'm grateful for this opportunity they've provided for me. Great. So before we... Mr. Kiplinger, you are literally... You are literally at everything, Mr. Kiplinger. I've just... I, you know, I've never seen anything like it. It's amazing. But I just want to give my colleagues a chance if they wanted to say anything, Vice Mayor. Oh, well, thank you, Mayor, very much. You know, we just heard earlier this evening about an organization that raises an incredible amount of funds to support public music education and our Scottish arts here in Dunedin. And just a few weeks ago at the Dunedin Fine Arts Center, we had a showcase that was all about showcasing art that was created from the students in Dunedin. And so it just goes on and on. And when you live in today's environment where you more have to hear something negative about our education and about the younger generation than positives, you know, thank you for casting a spotlight on the wonderful things that students are doing. So many times we can... And I say this all the time, you can drive by our schools and you just have no idea what's going on. And so for all these people who have all these negative concepts, but if you open up the doors and look inside and go inside, you see some amazing work that is happening. And so I just encourage everybody to just talk to the young people, volunteer at the schools, and it will certainly change your life. So congratulations for the two of you. Well done. Well deserved. CFY, thank you very much for what you do. And thank you for supporting the students in Dunedin. Greatly appreciate it. Thank you. Commissioner Sandberg. You know, Olivia and Matthew, whenever you turn the TV on today, it's always something bad. You are the type of young people that this world needs. And you're the ones that are going to lead us in the right direction. And I wish you the best of luck. And I thank you for what you're going to become in this world, because this world needs leaders like you. Thank you and congratulations. And to the parents, too, if out there. Mr. Walker. Thank you, Mayor. Olivia and Matthew, job well done and congratulations. You are the next generation. And with people like you, we are in good hands. So I just want to say congratulations. Thank you to CFY for providing this opportunity. Thank you. Commissioner Dugard. Thank you, Mayor. I had the pleasure of having breakfast with you guys yesterday morning. And the energy I felt from both of you was just inspiring. And I couldn't go any further without saying how important this work is. CFY's dedication to our youth and our communities is demonstrated in these beautiful human beings that you bring before us for recognition. I only wish you guys the very best, but I don't think you're going to need it. I think you're going to do it on your own. I think that's what this has just shown. And keep inspiring us. Thank you. Yeah, and I'll just say thank you to CFY. Congratulations to you, too, and all the other students. And I do have this for Sophia, if you all can maybe get that to her. And certainly congratulations to the parents and congratulations to the educators. It's a team. It takes a team, but at the end of the day, it takes you guys. So good job. And we'd like to get some pictures. Absolutely. Yeah. I'm the manual block, whoever you're standing in front of. That's a good idea. And I've got to share that both students are incredible academic students. Their character are tops. It's incredible, and it really falls right back to the families. They're amazing families. And then Commissioner Dugard. Thank you for that. All right. A tiny bit more. Apples don't fall far from you. So maybe we can get the parents up here and Mr. Kiplinger with the whole group. Just do a whole group picture. If you give me your camera, I can take a picture. Thank you. I need it. It'll be great. No, no. Yeah, Mr. Kiplinger. Parents and Mr. Kiplinger. Come on, Mr. Kiplinger. He's just going to refute. Three, two. Great. Thank you all. Thank you, sir. Thank you for coming. Bye. Good to see you. Mayor, one person I did leave out was, this is my guy behind the scenes, Eric Harris. If any of you have met him, Eric's a legacy in Pinellas County. He is in the Hall of Fame at Largo High School for basketball, went on to the University of Missouri, and was an educator. But this is his passion about what he wants to do. By the way, if his name sounds a little familiar, it's Calvin's son. So, these are the kind of people. I have three people with me. Eric, a woman by the name of Kit Lenz, who's in USF's Hall of Fame for softball. And we also have three-time Olympic gold medalist, Brooke Bennett. So, these are the people that are behind why athletics are important and why we're looking to inspire that next generation, which this year will be giving away over a million dollars. That's awesome. Great. And, you know, I did want, Mr. Kiplinger, could you say what you said into the mic? Because I don't want to shortchange that. I think that was important. And sometimes, especially on the streaming, it misses, if you're not in the mic. Well, no, just the selection. They've done a great job with the selection of the students. And we had them in our front conference room when we gave them their scholarships. And they're just incredibly top students with our academics. Their character is impeccable. And, really, they're just, they have that following of their family that's always there and always supporting them at everything. So, like I said, the apple does not fall far from the tree. And they are excellent. Great families, too. Thank you for that. And thank you. I want to add real quickly, even though these were, you know, top students at Dunning, I mean, not all of our scholarship recipients were four-point-something students. But they were involved. Their essays were outstanding. And it really is great to give, especially some of those kids, an opportunity that they absolutely would not have without this scholarship. So, you know, that is one of the great things about the process. Keep doing good stuff. And thank you. And, again, congratulations to Matt and Olivia. Okay. We're going to move on to something. Okay. First action, right? Oh, yes. Thank you. Keep me on that. I almost went right past it. That was kind of fun. Give me a second to clear. Okay. We'll go to citizens' input. Does anyone in the audience wish to speak on a topic that is not on the agenda? I see former Commissioner Janet Henderson wants to come forward. Come on. Hi. This is quite a place you have. First time, huh? Oh, well, I've been to the, seen the inner workings. Okay. Good. It's much nicer than the facility that I served in, the little old bank building over on Main Street. But it's something for us all to be proud of. Great. Okay. Go ahead. I'm here today as the president of the Caledese Island Connection, providing ferry service from honeymoon to Caledese Island. We have been in business since 1986, running two boats every day of the year, except for Thanksgiving and Christmas in bad weather. We carry about 75,000 passengers a year, and we pay the park service 20% off the top of our earnings, which amounts to about $170,000 a year. We are a partner of the community. We care about our community, and we especially care about what we give to our tourists. Tourism is the largest moneymaker for our state. And a month ago, when I talked to people up at the state park service, I was told that we would not have docks for the ferry to operate until April of 2026, at which point I thought I can't go on. During the storm last fall, I thought I lost one boat. Actually, it was able to be repaired, the cost of $80,000, between $80,000 and $90,000. My office was completely, the interior was completely destroyed, so we had to rebuild the office at a cost of $23,000. I have two employees that I have paid a salary to since the last boat ran last fall. I just couldn't see being able to go on with my business. Yesterday, I had a call with seven people with the park service and me, and we talked about the possibility of getting the boats up and running earlier. And they have told me that they are willing to have a local repair person repair the docks and to get bathroom facilities going on Cala DC Island in the next couple of months. They have also given me an extension to my contract, which will make it possible for me to rebuild my business. And I wanted to come and tell you about our situation because we have had people coming to our office every day saying, when are you going to open? We have people contacting us from all over the world and certainly from all over the country. People who come to Florida every year and ride the ferry every year. So I think it's an important aspect of Dunedin's place in our tourism organization of this coast. We are also... I do need to wrap up just from the three minutes. Okay. But, and did we get name and address? Sorry, name and address. I'm sorry. Janet Henderson, 209 Co-Road, Bel Air, Florida. And I forgot to tell you three minutes, but I thought you might remember, but it's my fault, so I'll let you go a little bit longer. You're good. But we understand, trust me, we do understand. This is a passionate issue to me. I'm sorry if I've gone on too long. Okay. But we are thrilled to be able to get back running for the community. We love what we do. And one of your commissioners is actually a captain for me. We know which one. We're here. So, thank you, Janet. Appreciate it. Thanks for all you do. I'm ready to come back to work, Janet. Thank goodness for that. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Okay. Does anyone else in the audience wish to come forward and speak to an item that's not on the agenda? Okay. Well, that's good news. Yeah, that's great news, Janet. Okay. All right. We're going to move on to Action Item 2A, Resolution 25-08, Sumar B-1, Subdivision Platt. Jen, if you could please read Resolution 25-08 by title only. Resolution 25-08, a resolution of the City of Dunedin, Florida, accepting public easements and other dedications in the plat of the Sumar B-1 Subdivision and providing for an effective date hereof. That was Resolution 25-08, read by title only. Okay. We're going to open a public hearing, and I'm going to help you. You can help me walk through this, Jen. So, we're going to have, first of all, I guess, City Clerk swearing anybody who wishes to provide testimony on the COA to be heard. Does anyone have any ex—well, we need to swear in first. You guys guide me on this first time. Okay. Okay. Okay, and I'll ask, does anybody have any experte communications to disclose for the record up here? Nobody? Okay. Okay, we're going to go to staff presentation by George, and it says Joseph on here, but I'll say Joey or Joe. Mayor, that is my name. Okay. Good evening, Joseph DePosca, on behalf of Community Development. Yeah, I'd like to just walk you through a quick overview of the plat you're considering this evening. This is the Sumar B-1 plat. Essentially, this parcel is just over eight-tenths of an acre, and it's being subdivided into four single-family residential lots to support, of course, four single-family dwelling units to be constructed on the sites in the future. As we do with every plat, we've gone through a review from an internal standpoint. Staff has reviewed the plat for conformance with our code. We also use a third-party survey to do a conformity review. That's a state law requirement. That has been done, and everybody has found the plat to be acceptable, meeting code requirements. And so our recommendation is the adoption of Resolution 2508, and ultimately, the recordation will happen of the plat after it's been fully executed by our city officials. And I'm happy to answer any questions. Okay. Was there any questions for Joseph? That was a joke. Okay. So questions for staff. I'll start with Commissioner Walker. Mayor, I don't have any questions on this. Okay. Commissioner DeGuardian? No questions. Okay. And Vice Mayor? Thank you, Mayor. Joey, the land use designation is RU. What does RU mean? Residential urban. So this is a medium density. It's 7 1⁄2 units an acre. That's basically a residential single-family land use that you find very commonly under the R60 single-family residential zoning district, which is a very prominent one in the city. Okay. And then the use is the R60, and so we're being asked tonight to subdivide this actually into quarters, right? Correct. It's going to be four different lots. And was there ever discussion by the developer or the owner of the lot on more than four, and would the land use accept that if they wanted to put up six houses instead of four? So there was, to answer your question, no, the discussion never came up beyond the four, and I think that's because we do have minimum dimensional standards in R60, in other words, minimum lot widths and debts. You only have enough land to subdivide it into a maximum of four. Okay, so the max we could get is the four? That's correct. All right. That's all the questions I have. Thank you. Okay. Commissioner Sandbergen. I just had a curiosity. Will it be two entrances off of Pinehurst, one off of Mary Jane, one off of Jackmar? Any idea what their plans are? We have not seen conceptual, you know, house drawings yet. My assumption would be that they're going to come off the side streets, not off of Pinehurst. That's all I need. Thank you, Jay. That was going to be my question, too, because I can't imagine having them off of Pinehurst, just my thoughts. Okay. We are going to go to applicant presentation. Is there, no applicant is here, so I guess we'll pass on that. And so we're going to, I'm going to ask if any public, anyone out here from the public wishes to speak on this matter, and if so, come forward. Okay. Seeing no one, we'll move forward. Staff's response to anything raised by the public? None. Okay. I'm going to close the public hearing. I'm going to ask for a motion. So moved. Second. Okay. Commissioner Sandberg and Commissioner Walker. Okay. So final commission comments. I'll start with the maker of the motion, Commissioner Sandberg. I have nothing else to add, Mayor. Okay. And Commissioner Walker. Nothing further to add, Mayor. And I'll go Commissioner Dugard. Nothing to add. Vice Mayor. Well, I live on Mary Jane, and right now it's an empty lot, so I'm very excited. So thank you. Cool. Okay. And I don't have any comments, except even when I was walking houses for the election, everybody's like, what's that going to be? You know? There was a lot of fear about it would be a giant house. So anyway, all good. So okay. Roll call vote. Commissioner Dugard. Aye. Vice Mayor Gow. Aye. Commissioner Walker. Aye. Commissioner Sandbergen. Aye. Mayor Freeney. Aye. And the motion passes unanimously. Okay. Next item is going to be 2B, Resolution 25-09, 265 Causeway Subdivision Platt. Jen, if you could please read Resolution 25-09 by title only. Resolution 25-09, a resolution of the City of Dunedin, Florida, accepting public easements and other dedications in the plat of the 265 Causeway Subdivision and providing for an effective date hereof. That was Resolution 25-09, read by title only. Okay. Great. Okay. I'm going to open the public hearing and ask for the City Clerk to swear in anyone who's going to provide testimony. Or does that already stick? He's already been sworn in, so we can just keep on going. Okay. So we'll go to does anyone have any expertise in communication to disclose on this particular property? Anyone? Okay. So we'll go to staff presentation by George and Joseph. Thank you, Mayor. Again, Joseph Dupasco on behalf of Community Development. And similar to the last case, this is a resolution to adopt a plat for the 265 Causeway Project. By way of background, the City Commission did approve a design review for this project about a year ago. And so this is sort of the next step the developer is taking. And what we have here is, if you're familiar with the site from before, you have a 1.05-acre site that's vacant at the moment. It's been vacant for some time. And the proposal here is going to be subdivided into 12 residential lots to support the townhomes that were part of the project. A couple commercial, two commercial parcels, and then some common tracks. Again, similar to the last case, the City staff has reviewed it from a land development code perspective. That conformity review was done by our outside surveying consultant and found that everything is both in compliance with the state statutes and, of course, our land development code. And so our recommendation is to adopt Resolution 2509 as presented. And I'm certainly available to answer any questions you may have. Okay. Questions for staff? Vice Mayor? No questions, Mayor. Commissioner Sandberger? You know, we've worked on this address many times. Remember, we've talked about the old Louisiana Seafood Company. Is it single-family homes or is it a townhouse? They're going to be fee-simple townhomes. So the difference, you know, is basically they're attached. So it'll be a townhome product with a lot underneath each townhome, if you will. Okay. Thank you. Commissioner Walker? Yeah. Thank you, Mayor. So this is also going to have, it's got two commercial units, too, right? And one of them was a wine bar? Correct. That's the one? Okay. Correct. And this is really a matter of process and not intended to, well, it's just a matter of process. So, you know, we approved that design review a year ago, and so what happens between the design review and the actual platting of the property? The only reason I'm asking that is it seems like a long time. I would have to direct that question to the developer, certainly. You know, there was a significant time between when it was approved and the plat was submitted, but, you know, there could have been a number of factors. I wouldn't even want to attempt to understand why they would have done that. So that was just, it was really about the developers submitting the plat then? Yeah. Yeah. Gotcha. So, Commissioner, you know, the reality is if they had gotten design review and prepared the plat and submitted it a week thereafter, we would have been having this conversation last year. Yeah. No, okay. You would have processed it when it was received. Yeah, exactly the answer I expected. So, yep. Thank you. You're very welcome. Commissioner Dugard. Thank you, Mayor. This is in a flood zone, is that correct? That's correct. And we are going to be seeing residences at 12 feet in the garage and then underneath. Is that what we're going to see? So, yes. These will be, the townhomes will include a flood-resistant ground floor with living areas on the upper floors. Okay. And the wine bar? So, the wine bar is unique in that it's a commercial use and that can be dry flood-proofed below the base flood elevation. Unlike a residence, you can dry flood-proof. And that's, I understand, my understanding is that's what the developer intends to do is to dry flood-proof the first floor of the wine bar. Okay. That's all I have, Mayor. Thank you. Okay. I don't have any questions. So, applicant presentation, I'm assuming we don't have the applicant here. Okay. For the record, Mayor, just if I may, both applicants were invited. They were told about the meetings. I just, I don't want you to think that staff did not make them aware of the fact that the meeting was taking place in this building at 6 o'clock. Gotcha. No, I appreciate that. Just for the record. Appreciate the clarification. Sounds good. Okay. And is there anyone in the public that wishes to speak on this matter? And if so, come forward. Okay. Seeing no one, we'll close that off. And I'm going to close the public hearing, and I will ask for a motion. So moved. Second. Okay. And final comments. We'll start with Commissioner Walker. Does it make our motion? Thank you, Mayor. I have no further comments. Commissioner Degard. No comments. Vice Mayor. No comment. Commissioner Sandbergen. Nothing to add, Mayor. Okay. And I don't either, so I'll ask for a roll call vote. Vice Mayor Gow. Aye. Commissioner Sandbergen. Aye. Commissioner Degard. Aye. Commissioner Walker. Aye. Mayor Franey. Aye. And that motion passes unanimously. Okay. I will say, this side of the dais seemed very interested in the wine bar. I just noticed that. Okay. We're going to go to 2C, which is Resolution 25-04, authorizing execution of a state of Florida Department of Transportation utility work by highway contractor agreement and three-party escrow agreement for utility construction and relocations as part of the FDOT project number 448486-1-56-02, all US-19 Broadway widening and repaving at State Route 586, Curlew Road, in the amount of $2,543,415.60. Jen, could you please read Resolution 25-04 by title only? Resolution 25-04, Resolution of the City Commission of the City of Dunedin, Florida, authorizing execution of utility work by highway contractor agreement between the State of Florida Department of Transportation and the City regarding utility relocations for FDOT project number 448486-1, alternate US-19 widening and resurfacing at State Road 586, Curlew Road, providing for an effective date. Okay. And in this case, before staff presentation, I am going to ask for a motion. So moved. Second. Okay. And I will, staff presentation, Clay, I guess you're the guy. It's just me. Okay. Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Commissioners, Clayton Watkins, Utilities and Engineering. Item 2C is the recommendation to adopt Resolution 2504, authorizing the execution of utility work by highway contractor between the State of Florida Department of Transportation and the City of Dunedin for relocation of associated utilities with FDOT project 448486-1. Dash 56-02, alternate 19, Broadway at State Road 54, 586, excuse me, Curly Road, for the widening and repaving. This will authorize, this also authorizes the City Manager to execute the corresponding FDOT three-party escrow agreement in the amount of $2,543,415.60, subject to commission approval. FDOT is finalizing the design for their widening and repaving of Alt-19 Broadway at SR586, Curly Road. The scope of this project includes new turn lanes, repaving the existing travel lanes, new sidewalks, pedestrian refuge crossings, median construction, bus pull-offs, new mast arms for the signal at the intersection, and new stormwater facilities. The project will also include relocating the conflicting City of Dunedin utilities by the FDOT's contractor during the construction. The UW-HCA allows for one contractor under FDOT contract and control to perform the utility work work and the roadway work. This eliminates the City's separating bidding of a contractor and having that City's contractor complete the work for the utilities prior to the start of FDOT's work. The use of one contractor can shorten the time of construction, reduce the maintenance of traffic, or closing of travel lanes throughout the project for two projects. The UW-HCA outlines the initial deposit for funds occurs 30 days prior to the project advertisement. If you note in your packages, this says that the escrow payment must be made on April 9th of 2025. As of late last week, that time frame has changed and now the schedule has pushed the schedule back and the deposit due date is now October 1st of 2025. So in your schedule, see there's a list of schedule of the project. The new update for that, again, is the funding from the City is due on October 1st. The FDOT will advertise the project on October 31st with a subsequent award of the project on or around December the 3rd with an estimated start of construction in the spring of 2026 and ending in the fall of 2027. The City Attorney has reviewed the resolution, the UW-HCA, and the three-party escrow agreement and has been approved as to form. As such, staff hereby recommends the adoption of Resolution 25-04, authorizing the execution of utility work by highway contractor agreement between FDOT and the City of Dunedin for the relocation of associated utilities as part of FDOT project 44-84-86-1-56-02, Alt-19 Broadway at SR-8586 Curley Road, widening and repavement, and the subsequent third-party escrow agreement in the amount of $2,543,415.06. Wow, that was a lot. That was a tough one. There's a lot of letters. Okay, I'm going to... I'm sorry, very quickly, just real quick. The agreements have been set up for the mayor's signature, not the city manager's signature, so I just want to make that clarification. Okay, I'll make... Yes, thank you, and I'll make sure the next one says that. Thank you. Okay, I'm going to have questions for staff. I forget which side I started on last time. I don't know. I'll go school advice, mayor. You want to go to me? Go to me. Fantastic. All right, and just outside all those words that you just said... Yeah, there's a lot of them, isn't there? A lot of words. Why are we doing this? So as part of the FDOT project, and they're widening the... and some of their utility work, their stormwater work requires us to relocate our... the city utilities within the right-of-way, and then so instead of us having to go out and do the whole bidding process, we've already gone through the design process. We used one of the GEC contracts. So to do so, in essence, instead of us having to go out bid, get our construction done, and time for DOT to start theirs, it's much easier just to have one contractor doing the work, so there's just one person playing in the sandbox, basically. So if I may, broader view, we're actually required by state statute when FDOT is improving a roadway to pay for the relocation of our own utilities. Yes. Thank you. Yeah, I just thought it was important that the residents really understand in simple terms what was going on. Yes. And you said you've already gone through the design. So will the state go through their own design, or will they use our design? Yeah, the state has already completed the vast majority. They're basically ready to go to their bid set. But for some reason, I don't have the reason why they've moved it back, but they have. Did we have to go through design? Yes. But they don't use our design? No, they use our design plan. So what will happen when they send their bid package out, it'll have their plans for the roadway improvements, and subsequently our engineering plans for our utility relocations. And that also includes some coordination between the two design consultants on maintenance of traffic. Okay. And so basically, we have our stuff in their way, and they're saying, hey, you have to move it. And we're going, okay, well, what does that look like? Let's design it. And they go, that looks good. We'll move it for you. Yes. Wow. That's a great way to explain that. That was a very good layman's term of that. Thank you. Drop the mic with this. That's awesome. Coming from a C student, you know, talking to myself. And I, because, well, it all sounds really simple. That's a lot of money, $2.5 million. And could we do this? I know you mentioned it's easier, but for 2.5, and this is more for the residents, because I understand it, but why is it better, easier, or more efficient at $2.5 million? But most of the savings, well, so it comes down to twofold. One, the utility, the FDOT's contractor will hire a utility contractor to do the stormwater installation, the pipes. So that is the same contractor most of the times that can do the water and wastewater relocation. And in turn, so there's some savings in having a cost by one contractor doing that. The other savings come in maintenance of traffic and moving traffic and adjusting traffic lanes as people still maintaining the two-lane traffic while construction is going on. So instead of the city incurring all that cost for one project, there is a subsequent cost share that the city's part, as part of that, that $2.5 million, a part of that is our portion of the maintenance of traffic instead of all of it. We reference in your packet as the TCCP. And we only pay a seven percent, I think it's seven percent of that number instead of all of it. So for the residents who might look at that and have a little bit of sticker shock at the 2.5, if we did it ourselves, it might be even more than that. That is correct. And it wouldn't be nearly as efficient as far as the time is concerned. So for anybody who's using Curly Road or Alton 19 during this construction process, would appreciate the efficiency in getting it done faster by letting them do it. Correct. Instead of us coming in, taking several months to do something, disturbing traffic, bringing traffic back to where it was, DOT coming in and doing the same process, it all flows together. Perfect. Similar to what we did on Skinner with the roundabouts. Yes. Yes, sir. Very good. All right. Thank you. All my questions. Thank you. Commissioner Sandbergen. Can you explain exactly what at FDOT, three-party escrow, what that is? So it's an account that we will deposit that they use to pay for our portion of the contract. I mean, it's like a normal escrow account. If they're not starting construction and we pay, it does collect interest. So the $2.5 million, I'm guessing that's 100% Dunedin's money. That is 100% Dunedin's money, yes. Okay. And the utilities, water lines, sewer lines, that's what we're talking about here, not any type of underground cables or wires or anything like that? Yeah, just the city utilities, water, wastewater, and there might be reclaim, but I don't think so. Okay. I think it's just those two. Just if I may, Mayor, we are not intending to send them the money until it's due, so it will collect interest in our own account. So it is our money, we'll collect our own interest. Well, when I saw three-party, I had a feeling what the three-party... We'll wait until we have to. Okay. That's all I've had. Thanks, Clay. Great. Well, then I'm good. Okay. Commissioner Walker. Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Just so I'm clear, and at the risk of talking about both 2C and 2D, it's really just two different areas of Curlew Road, right? Correct. DOT had two different projects going on, one for the 2D and one for the US-19 and the intersection, and then they've since combined them into one project, so that's why there's... But DOT still uses their project numbers, so they'll let what they call let or bid with both of those numbers, and I think that's for their finance, so they can track where their spending is. Okay. Got it. And then in terms of the account that's referenced, is that a combination of funds, or where's that money coming from? Let me double-check real quick. I'm sorry. Yes. No, that is all of our... That's just our utility funds. Yes, it's water wastewater. All water wastewater funds. Right. Okay. That's budgeted then, I'm assuming. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Right. And then, clear, there was a question asked about the design part of this. My understanding, and this is more just for my understanding, is that when you are undertaking a design build project, you necessarily have to have a design component to it. Hence, you said we were involved in the design of the relocation of the utilities. Correct. This DOT was going to take this as a design build, but this is now a design bid build. Okay. So that's where we had to have our plans ready to go. And even if you do both, you sort of need about a 30% plan to sort of get everybody rolling on a design build plans. Okay. Design bid build. Yes. It's design bid build. Correct. I think at one point in time, this was supposed to be a design build, but they then changed it back to their normal process. Okay. Thanks. That's that clears it up. And then when you start looking at the cost estimate, I'm assuming that that the numbers associated with each of those line items includes both labor and material. Yes. Okay. All right. That's all the questions I have. Thank you. Great. Commissioner Dugard. Thank you, Mayor. We're replacing a number of utilities here, and I presume that some of those utilities have continuing useful life and some may not. In other words, if we hadn't had to do this, when would we be replacing these utilities? Do you have a sense of that and how much useful life we're losing? I would have to give you that answer later. I do not know at the top of my head. But at least we get new for whatever it is. We will get new, you know, new pipe that will give us the same, the 70, you know, 75-year lifespan. Will we be improving capacity in any way on these? No, I believe we're putting back the same size. Just replacing. Just replacing what's there. Capacity. Okay. It is a lot of money for moving utilities, though. And by the way, what is production well facilities? We're just out of curiosity. We're looking at the very last page on the relocation. It's the signature page. It doesn't have a total, it doesn't have footing on it, so I can't. It's a utilities and engineering statement, budget adjustment. Oh, I, okay. That was for the budget adjustment. That's where we were taking some funds. When, if this was going to have to go on April, we did have to move some funds, internal funds, to pay for this, because we were scheduled for 2026. Now we no longer have to do that. So that was a production well project that we were just going to push back one year. Okay. I just didn't think we had a well there. I mean. No, yes, that would be a bad location to put a well, yes. I kind of thought so, too. No more questions. Thank you, Mayor. Okay. I don't have any questions, and one of the best parts about being mayor, all the questions get asked a lot of times first. I'm going to open it for public input. If anybody, the audience, wishes to come forward and speak on this issue, please come forward. Seeing no one, close the public comment. I'll go to commission comments, and the maker of the motion was commissioner Walker. Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, I don't, the only thing is, is, you know, obviously, when you start talking about capacity, there's the utilities, the capacity, the wastewater, and that such. But the project itself is really all about widening curlew, and because that's a very congested area. So that makes sense to me. Thank you. Commissioner Sandbergen. No, it's a long time coming. That's a traffic nightmare through there, so I'm glad to see it finally coming together. Okay. Vice Mayor. I was wondering, you know, whenever there's a law or there's something, I always like to look at what happened to create that law. And allowing us to design our move, I'm sure there was a time when the state said, well, we'll design it for you, or we'll just move them for you. And then those municipalities had to live with the result of where they were moved. It was, oh, my God. And so I do appreciate the state that at least allows us to design. If you're going to move our stuff, let us tell you where we would like it moved and how. But as far as the overall project, yeah, talk about that intersection. And if we can give any type of relief and thank that the, and appreciate the FDOT for coming in and doing that for us. It was wonderful. So thank you. Okay. Commissioner Dugard. Yeah. I was lost on this project till Commissioner Gao gave me the explanation. So completely. I don't know how to say this is expensive as heck. I guess this is expensive as heck. And we're buying into a process that I think we all agree needs to be done. But is there any way to get this price down? Oh, that's a question. Sorry. Wrong area. I did. I blew it. I'm generally in support of this, but it's got a bitter taste to it. Thank you, Mayor. Well, I was sure that Vice Mayor was going to say we should not even do this project. Because we need to make sure people are on their bikes or walking, right? Just picking on you. I choose my battles, Mayor. I choose my battles. Right. No, I mean, this is a bad intersection. It's going to be quite interesting how they even do it, considering all the congestion. So, yes, I mean, obviously, I'm in favor of anything that moves the project forward. It's a big number, but it's what we have to do. So I'm in favor. So I'll ask for a roll call vote. Commissioner Dugard. Aye. Vice Mayor Gow. Aye. Commissioner Sandberg. Aye. Commissioner Walker. Aye. Mayor Franey. Aye. And that motion passes unanimously. Well, I will tell you, Mayor, if I may, the reason I voted yes on this is because I just don't like where our utilities are. And I don't care about the construction. I just wanted them moved. I like it. Okay. Okay, here we go. 2D, Resolution 25-05, authorizing execution of a State of Florida Department of Transportation utility work by highway contractor agreement and three-party escrow agreement for utility construction and relocations as part of the FDOT project, number 448041-1-56-02, State Route 586 Curlew Road, from east of Bogey Lane to east of Fisher Road in the amount of $270,801.84. A lot better figure there. And, Jen, could you please read Resolution 25-05 by title only? Resolution 25-05, a resolution of the City Commission of the City of Dunedin, Florida, authorizing execution of utility work by highway contractor agreement between the State of Florida Department of Transportation and the City regarding utility relocations for FDOT project, number 448041-1, State Road 586 Curlew Road, from east of Bogey Lane to east of Fisher Road, providing for an effective date. That was Resolution 25-05, read by title only. Okay, and I need a motion. So moved. Second. Okay, and we go to staff presentation with Clay. Good evening again. Vice Mayor and Commissioner Clay Watkins again, Utilities and Engineering. I'll try to make this one a little quicker, but it's still going to be a little long, so I apologize. Item 2D is the recommendation to adopt Resolution 2505, authorizing the execution of utilities work by highway contractor agreement between FDOT and the City of Dunedin. The utility relocation is associated with FDOT project 448041-1-56-02, SR 586 Curley Road, from east of Bogey Lane to east of Fisher Road, and to authorize the mayor to execute the corresponding FDOT three-party escrow agreement in the amount of $270,801.84, subject to commission approval. Again, FDOT is finalizing the design for their repaving of SR 586 Curley Road. The scope of the work includes repaving the existing travel lanes, construction of a new sidewalk on the south side of Curley Road, medians and traffic separators, and new stormwater facilities. The project will conclude the relocation of conflicting City of Dunedin utilities by FDOT's contractor during the construction. As stated earlier, the UWHCA will allow the FDOT's contractor to assist in quicken up the process by them doing the work for the city. The UWHCA outlines an initial deposit of the funds occurs 30 days prior to the project advertisement and as noted earlier in the other item on your packet that this date has moved from April 9th of 2025 to October 1st of 2025. This project too will follow this game schedule because it'll be bid as one project for AFDOT with city funds due on October 1st. Advertisement of the project by DOT on October 31st of 2025 with a projected award on December 3rd of 2025 with an estimated start of construction in the spring of 2026 and construction ending in fall of 2025. The city attorney has reviewed the resolution, the UWHCA, and the third-party escrow agreement, and each have been approved as form. As such, staff hereby recommends adoption of Resolution 2505, authorizing the execution of a utility work by highway contractor agreement between FDOT and the City of Dunedin for utilities relocated as associated with FDOT project 448041-1-56-02, State Road 586, Curley Road, repaving, and subsequent FDOT third-party escrow agreement in the amount of $270,801.84. Thank you, Clay. It was kind of shorter, but yeah. Okay. Questions for Clay and we'll start with Commissioner Walker. I have no additional questions, Mayor. Okay. Commissioner Dugard. I have no questions, but I reserve. No, I can't. Vice Mayor. No questions. And Commissioner Sandbergen. So this would only involve Curlue on the south side, which is the Dunedin side, not the Palm Harbor side. We won't be involved in that. No, this only affects our utilities, mostly, yes, on the south side. And I know I don't want to go spend the whole night talking about this, but that's probably two miles for $270,000 versus eight-tenths of a mile for two and a half million dollars. Could you just shed a little light on the difference in what we're looking at here? Yeah, absolutely. With this project, it's mostly DOT is just doing a sort of a mill and overlay repaving of the road, and they are not, they were initially, there was some thought where they would be upsizing some of their cross drains, their stormwater cross drains. Those are staying the same. There's a few areas along the road that we will have to, that our utilities sit underneath their pipe, so we'll just be deflecting them around. So in that, there's just a few locations that they'll be doing the work, whereas on alternate 19, it's all of our utilities being relocated into different locations. Okay. All right. Yeah, look, I was just trying to do some math, and I think that that first one came up to like $560 a foot that we were, that we just paid versus, you know, two miles. That's all. I'm glad you already looked into that and that answer. Thank you. Much bigger scope of work of what we're moving in the other project. I understand. Thank you. I'm good, Mayor. Good, good questions. Okay. I don't have any additional questions. I'll open it to the public. If anybody in the public wishes to come forward and speak on this issue, please come forward. Seeing no one, I will close the public input, and I will go to Commission comments, starting with maker of the motion, Commissioner Walker. I applaud my colleague, Commissioner Sandbergen, for his math. Well done. Nice presentation, Clay. Thank you. Okay. And I was just going to mention long division. It was always beyond me. Commissioner Dugard. Great job. Better price. Thank you. Vice Mayor. Yeah. Let's do two 2Ds and not do the 2C. No. And I guess to further explain Clayton, right? Also, this 2D is linear versus 2C is north and south and east-west pipes. Yeah. That's a good way to explain it. Right. And so it's much more, and the pipes aren't like spaghetti noodles, right? They aren't bendable. Is this where we're going to get smarter as the night goes on? I mean, our meetings, it's going to be good when our meetings are longer on Thursday night. They're getting smarter. I didn't want to say anything. We're holding the city manager up. That's right. That's right. I was just so happy that I actually understood something. I wanted to share it. That's all. That's all, Mayor. Commissioner Sandbergen. I have no additional comments. Good job, Clay. Okay. So I need roll call vote. Commissioner Sandbergen. Aye. Vice Mayor Gow. Aye. Commissioner Dugard. Aye. Commissioner Walker. Aye. And Mayor Freeney. Aye. And that motion passes unanimously. Okay. Thanks, Clay. Okay. We have next is the proposed agenda for April 3rd, 2025 commission meeting. Any additions or deletions? Are we good? Okay. So I just need a motion. So moved. Second. Third. Okay. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? I say aye. So motion passes unanimously. Okay. So informational items. I understand the city manager has an informational item for us. I do. I'm going to talk really fast, okay? Just talk about linear feet. That's right. And I'm standing in my own way right now. So under our current grant application process, we need to come for a grant of this amount. We need to come to you for authorization. We don't have time to request authorization of this particular grant, so we walked it on tonight and put it in front of you. That's why Camille is sitting back there all night long. That's right. All night long. I know. She was actually here on Tuesday, but I wasn't quite ready for it. So impressive. So we're requesting approval for the city commission to apply for the hurricane loss mitigation program. This is a state-funded program administered by the Florida Department of Emergency Management, and it aims to mitigate future storm damage on public facilities through activities like elevation, retrofitting, and hardening. The notice of funding available came out March 3rd, and they're due on April 14th. So we have a very short fuse on this one. It offers up to $250,000, and this is the best part with no required match. So we have actually picked out a project already. Camille met with other city departments to set up a priority list. We're looking at the water treatment plant, which is already budgeted for hardening. It needs to serve, this grant needs to serve more than half the population, and I think we would say the water treatment plant serves our entire population. It implements wind mitigation strategies. It really meets all the criteria of this particular grant funding program. So Camille's here, as you know, and she sat through our meeting, and she was here on Tuesday, but I wasn't quite ready, and the hour was late. So I asked her to come back this evening. And by the way, Camille is doing a super job of getting us organized as far as grant funding and direction. Well, that is no way to reward her, making her sit here on Thursday night. She offered, honestly. She volunteered, but that's how dedicated she is. So we are asking for authorization, and full disclosure, Camille is putting together the application tonight. I don't think you guys are going to say no, to be honest with you. Unless you are, in which case. Do I have any questions about it? I just want to make sure. Any questions? Vice Mayor? I don't really have any questions, but this isn't a match. But if we were already putting money towards the hardening, does this allow us to expand, or our thoughts to expand what we were going to do, or at least it helps reduce our costs? Reduce our costs. Reduce our costs. Okay. Thank you. That's all I have. Commissioner Sandberg? I don't, but going forward, I'd love to sit down with you and learn a little bit more about what you do and what's available, because it's all going to be new to me. So not today, but going forward. Well, on that subject, if I may, Mayor? Sure. Go ahead. We are going to be bringing a proposal for some amendments to our grant application process, and we can give you the full description then. Yeah. Okay. Commissioner Walker? Yeah. So really, my question is, if there's no match, and I really should know this, but I don't, if there's no match, what really requires our approval here? Well, that's why we're bringing the grant application policy to you. Okay. Yeah. I would agree. I absolutely agree. With some, and we'll describe, I mean, we'll show you the current policy, what we're proposing, and really, you know, a lot of these matches require resolution of support of the City Commission. This particular one does not. So, and I think it's, it's, A, it's really informational and for support of the City Commission moving forward for the, for the funding agencies. So, but it does, it does hamper us somewhat when we need to move fast. And we have actually, in the past, retroactively asked for authorization to submit for grants. When, when we see a really good one come up and we can get it, the grant application and fast, and then we, we come back and ask for permission later. So, yeah. Well, I, you know, I, I, I actually echo Commissioner Sandberg and I am really looking forward to getting an overview of what you do and what you're doing. Because, you know, I, I enjoy talking about this because it brings visibility to, you know, these opportunities. And, you know, this is a no-brainer and we're just standing in the way. And so, and that's all I've got. Commissioner Dugard. I have no questions. So, my question is, it says the intent of the applications request a full amount available to 250,000 toward a hardening effort and indicate a match of 250. So, we're not required to do a match, but we're going to match it. Yeah. We, we have it funded. So, that will put us in a very good position. Okay. I got you. Um, and I, yeah, I, I'll leave it at that. Okay. So, we're all good with this. Do you need a formal vote or you just need to, do you need a formal vote? It wasn't on the agenda. So, can we do a formal vote or? Yeah. I mean, you can do a motion while you're here, but do you need it or do you just? No, we don't need it. Just need your authorization to satisfy our policy. Yeah, we're good. Yeah. Okay. So, everybody, is everybody in agreement? Thumbs up. Yeah. Agreed. Are you agreed? Okay. If, I'm going to take a motion for this. Yeah. So moved. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. And that motion passes unanimously. Yes. Okay. I feel better about that. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Um, anything else for the good of the order? Anybody? Okay. Going once, hands going twice. Adjourned. Thank you.