on the city of deltona website under finance under budget documents fiscal year 26 27 documents so everything under bridge mayor is located there thank you before we get started just for the commission uh we will pause after uh the presentations that you do we'll go through the whole overview on incision one and then when we get to two we'll start pausing there for questions so if everyone can just write down your questions and hold off on pushing the button when we get to that corner or to that part i'll ask if anybody has questions and we'll continue that way mr mckinney yes sir uh so with that i would first like to thank my staff the finance budget team the deputy finance director and all of the fiscal financial business analysts that are behind us i do appreciate everything that they've done as well as all the departments directors and managers that have helped to put this together along with the city manager point of order just for the record commissioner caldwell's here hello sir okay so you know how we did may 18th a little bit different so i'm doing this a little bit different as y'all are aware finance staff we kind of like to do everything in fund order um this year we kind of done things by topic so i've we've put the book together more so by topic and we're gonna the powerpoint is in that order as well so today we're going to go over the high level overview previously we spoke about capital cip and special assessments at our workshops in may and june this month we're speaking specifically on all the operational overview of all the major funds as well as all sub funds we're going to go over the fund review and operational budgets and then we're going to talk about the next steps of what we have to do in the month of july august and september the fiscal year 27 budget overview the total budget has presented this evening request is 208 million 35 thousand nine hundred and forty seven dollars the general fund is 79 million eight hundred and forty five thousand two hundred and twelve dollars i'm happy to announce that your staff has put together a budget at the rollback rate as provided by the volusia county property appraiser at 6.4948 even at rollback mayor and commission we're still able to fund 20 million four hundred and six thousand one hundred and forty nine dollars in capital improvements eight million two hundred and ten thousand two hundred and sixteen dollars in fleet and equipment capital outlay and as of 10 125 going into the current fiscal year we still have an outstanding debt of one hundred and thirty seven thousand six hundred and sixteen i'm sorry one hundred thirty seven million six hundred sixteen thousand eight hundred and seventy six dollars every one of these items will be talked more in detail throughout the presentation the adoption of the annual budget we've gone through this every presentation that i've made mayor i'm just going to hit the final um bullet point on this the budget process is fluid right up until the final hearing on monday september 22nd you have the opportunity to provide to the city manager and myself any changes that can be made right up to the final adoption as i stated at 6 30 on september 22nd budget parameters the city manager met with all staff early march march 5th to be exact we were told at that time all operating budget requests are to be held at a two percent maximum increase this was based on the february february cpi index of 1.99 percent over the 12 month prior period if you go and you look at the most recent data that was released on on june 10th related to the may cpi it was 3.9 percent we did not waiver from the two percent max mayor we also projected back in february that we would see a five percent increase in taxable value increase that was well almost two percent less than the average that we've had over the last 10 years i will say that i'm very as i've said before i'm a very conservative conservative individual i'm glad i did because it actually came in at 3.93 percent the lowest rate of increase that the city's seen in in 13 years now uh putting this together the fire cba uh we budgeted or planned to budget five percent increase that's based on we're always one year behind on the fire cba from that of the general employees general employees for the current fiscal year received five percent so that's why they are slated for the five percent for the upcoming fiscal year and based on volusia county and others around flagler county and seminole county uh looking at the surveys that have been completed the average increase across the board is four percent so that is what we have budgeted as part of this request in february we were told to expect the five percent increase in property casualty insurance we met with our broker last week and both property and casualty and health and benefits we were told to look at a ten percent if you recall last year we came in um as i recall just over under three percent on property casualty and we came in flat for um health benefits so you know again as we talked to some of y'all yesterday because we made plan changes etc and we put went out to our rfp against all carriers we were able to bring that in last year we're still taking it out and actually we're expanding it to other property and casualty carriers this year that hopefully we can come in much lower than the 10 percent but again i don't want to come back to the the commission in october asking for fund balance the mantra going into that workshop revenue growth does not eliminate the need for discipline planning last year we were zero based and as we go through this you will see not only did your staff hit the target of planning we actually in most cases reduced hence why we were able to come in at a rollback millage rate part of the things that we did is we looked at all positions the city manager's office met with us and said any position that's been open more than six months why do you still need it every one of these positions that is before you has been open for six or more months there are other positions that were opened as discussed yesterday that we've also planned to zero budget not eliminating those positions but in order to maintain the millage rate and the fees whether it's solid waste storm water water sewer we are planning to hold positions open for periods of six to twelve months to be able to fund other necessary items to maintain low millage rate and rates of service this past 12 months y'all provided to me during last year's budget workshop y'all directed me to go out and do several studies so as previously stated i'm happy to state we completed over the last few months the updated water sewer rate study this going into next fiscal years year two of five on those rates we just completed and brought to you june 22nd the impact fee study and that will be a two-year phase in the building in general fee study which was also completed by rafatillas that was reviewed and confirmed january of this year and we presented to you last commission meeting as well the fire assessment and we will talk about that in further slides but that's a five-year study if implemented a couple of months ago house bill 1329 went into effect we have six bullet points within house bill 1329 i'm happy to announce that we were already compliant with pretty much all components of items two through six so we were already as transparent as could be regarding the majority of the budget document and the budget process this bill goes into effect january 1st of 2027 as stated we're already compliant with it but as part of this workshop this evening you will see that i've already complied with the help of all the directors and manager the 10 budget reduction that is in the packet as presented to you on how we would get there the statute specifically relays it to general fund we didn't stop there we did it the entire city wide unless it's a specialty fund such as ship or cdbg which is an outside funding source not part of a 10 reduction i've already gone through what our overall budget is we're going to go through this in detail i won't go through this anymore but there is your summary by fund type for both sources and uses now that we've had time to go through the information as provided by the volusia county property assessor's office not by your deltona staff we can only go through what were presented by other constitutional officers we broke this down into and this is just like previous years we broke it down into the parcels that currently do not pay taxes the individuals that pay when you look at the 50 000 exemptions the 50 to 122 000 122 to 193 000 the 194 to half a million and the over half a million as you can see we have very few homes or other properties that exceed half a million dollars within a city of just under a hundred thousand dollars so when we look at this we we have currently 8.99 of all parcels within this within the city pay no taxes and we have 61.36 of our residential parcels fall below the average of 172 250 dollars again as your finance team we do not know who has what exemptions and there are a plethora of exemptions or that are applicable to certain properties i wanted to go through the historical millage rate i did something a little different this year not only did i put the max millage for 20s fiscal year 27 i wanted to also put what the staff recommended millage rate is which is the rollback of 6.4948 but i think it's important to note that as taxable values have increased the city has steadily decreased the millage rate every year over the last six years i also wanted to take a look at the average taxable value in property taxes per household so if we look at the average taxable value of 172 000 here within the city of deltona your estimated tax bill for next year ad valorem only not including assessments is 793.99 so that is less than a 10 increase from last year to this year proposed i think it's important to note that not only has deltona heated the increase in property tax values but all taxing authorities within volusia county and the other taxing authorities applicable to volusia county such as the st john's water management district they have all steadily decreased their millage rates over the last 10 years your citywide debt as i stated previously we have outstanding debt of 137 million 616 thousand eight hundred seventy six dollars i wanted to go a little step further this year thank you and we broke it down into the four categories if we look at stormwater of our applicable stormwater parcels within the city each parcel currently has outstanding 33.63 your water wastewater utility we have just under three hundred thousand dollars in outstanding debt per account the center debt which is per capita all of deltona is sixty dollars and eight cents and transportation which is also per capita is 215 000 i'm sorry 215.81 cents as a whole volute deltona has very minimal debt for the size population fund balance we only look at the operating funds we obviously have access to all of that information that's available in the act for but we look at the operating funds these numbers as provided to you as an estimate as of september 30th of this year and this does not include restricted or committed funds the general fund has 26 million four hundred and forty nine thousand four hundred seventy one dollars available the building fund has none none water wastewater has forty one million five hundred and fifty six thousand forty one dollars solid waste four hundred and fifty nine thousand six hundred seventy four dollars and stormwater has seven million three hundred thousand five hundred sixty three dollars and when we look at restricted or committed that would also include for the those operating funds the gas be gfoa recommended 17 percent for a reserve now we're going into our budget summaries so we're starting on tab two after the second after uh tab two we're going to start questions so we broke this down mayor to all the major categories within the general fund we have city commission city managers support services public safety public works parks and recreation general government the one thing that i want to highlight here is if we look at general fund alone we have a 5.84 increase in personnel costs i stated previously 4 for general 5 for fire and 10 for the health and benefit cost overall the average operating increase was 2.32 percent and the total expenditures operating and salary and benefits 3.98 percent so as we go through this if a department was hit that four percent we were very ecstatic in the finance department we'll go through and hit a couple of items that if they exceeded that four percent we will we have the ability to explain why if there's any questions city commission summary so why this is here mayor and and this is again as i stated last year um as the commission body this is your budget so this is the one time within you know the process that if there's any questions related to your city commission budget would like any changes then we just need your input so that we can work on that over the next two weeks as we put together the proposed budget book that will be presented to you on august 12th so within this over the last couple of commission budget processes we were directed last year to set aside money for a hack so this year's budget includes 356 665 dollars for that a debt reduction of the same amount we went through the formula that the commission approved by consensus last year and followed the same methodology and stated we have a balanced budget at rollback but with that says we still have 135 522 dollars that can be obligated for other uses during this process whether you want more money towards stormwater projects transportation reduction in millage whatever that case might be i would need direction from the commission on how to use that money when we go through this you can see also we budgeted five hundred and seven thousand dollars in reductions that was the forensic audit that was the williams harvey scholarship program as well so if there's any other detail related to this we can provide it but those were the same numbers that we used for the 10 reduction exercise all departments utilize the adopted budget of 25 26 when putting together that 10 reduction are there any questions specifically to the city commission budget mayor we're gonna wait till we're done with the whole tab and then we'll do all the questions the next thing that we we will go through if you might recall at the may meeting for the mid-year budget you all authorized fifty thousand dollars to be put into the mid-year budget for additional um audit scope of services related to the your ordinance 2-183.1 for additional scope of services so my ask this evening for by consensus mayor is we would like to spend up to ten thousand dollars to provide capital asset policy review and recommendations compliant with the new gasby statement 104 the other thing that we would like consensus on this evening mayor is a review of the fund balance policy review and recommendations we have a very as stated previously in other budget workshops and and commission meetings we have a very convoluted fund balance that has been rewritten and rewritten on top of each other we would like the assistance of purvis gray to go in and help rewrite all of those and bring that back with the benchmark of best practices of other clients that they serve as stated there's currently fifty thousand dollars available and are asked this evening is seventeen thousand five hundred dollars i can bring that back for question under questions city manager division is the city manager economic development and communications their overall budget increases by 3.38 percent support services summary which is city clerk finance accounting purchasing city attorney planning and development human resources city facilities slash infrastructure and community events came in at five point three four percent are there any questions nope okay public safety thank you sorry mayor you know that's a habit you know uh public safety summary uh is our contracted law enforcement services fire services and code compliance we have very little say when it comes to the law enforcement um budget of the sheriff's office as that is a um as a constitutional officer they submit that to the county on by june 1st and it's certified by the state of florida so we have very little leeway if there's anything that we would like to change in future years now that we know all this information then we would need to talk about that in the january time frame of 2027 so that we can get with the sheriff's department so that we can make those changes if there was any required fire services i want to just note as we have this the fire administration and operations are shown in both general fund and the fire assessment fund until final adoption of a fire fire assessment fee the requested budget includes 14 million five hundred and two thousand nine hundred and three dollars in allowable expenditures applicable to a fire assessment fee public work summary is administration traffic operations engineering and field operations i applaud glenn and phyllis for their 2.51 percent reduction in their operating budgets parks and rec summary that includes administration parks operations recreation programs and the center and previously also included park events and as part of the next year budget we've renamed it to be park events has been renamed to community events and it's part of support services as it's specifically under the city manager and the deputy city manager's purview general government summary these are the items that are non department specific property casualty insurance other supplies and expenditures which would be transfers to other funds for capital projects debt service and capital outlay these are items that also under insurance claims as i stated to you on a previous slide we budgeted five percent originally and we had to budget for ten percent for increases in health insurance that is in here under contingencies special revenue funds these are all the funds that don't are not a major operating such as impact fees grant funds assessments uh cra etc they total the request for next year 35 million two hundred sixteen thousand two hundred and ninety five dollars and the new fund for this year would be the fire assessments fund 160 enterprise funds that's your water wastewater department solid waste storm water overall they have a decrease in their overall budgets from prior year of just over 40 percent that's related to the cip projects their request for next year is far less they need to get caught up and complete the current projects that are on the pipe in the pipeline overall their average operating increased six point four percent their total expenditures are four point three five percent increase every one of these funds water wastewater storm water and solid waste all fall under a guide of a rate study that the commission has already adopted in previous commission meetings and they all three follow that guide water wastewater summary overall not including cip their operating expenditures decreased four point four point four three percent solid waste we have an overall increase of twelve point nine seven percent that's related to our contracts with both waste pro and volusia county who provides all of our tipping and disposal costs stormwater utility overall they have an increase of one point three percent so an increase of one hundred and nineteen thousand seven hundred sixty dollars over the prior year question came up in a previous meeting where's the um the fund balance related to stormwater as we previously have stated the cip is a scheduled over a few years so glenn and phyllis have put together that program that's part of the five-year cip and all of those all fund balance less the gatsby 17 percent reserve is slated to be completely spent by fiscal year 28. then you have your internal service funds these are all operations that act like independent businesses for city departments only that's fleet information technology employee health care and risk management which is our property and casualty that's 17 million 379 9 434 dollars all of that money is already in another fund so as a reminder this these departments are double counted is there any questions from the commission at this time commissioner howington we'll start with you thank you mayor on page 12 are you excluding the nine percent of properties that do not pay property taxes page 12 on the average taxable value yes uh yes ma'am that that 172 000 ma'am that's average of all parcels within the city so it's all parcels it does not exclude the ones that are paying zero that is correct okay can we possibly get that of just the people who are actually paying yes ma'am i can do that we would just use slide 10 to calculate that for you okay yeah because i mean obviously 793 would be skewed if nine percent of the population pays nothing that's the average city-wide already right but i want to see what's the average of people who are actually paying taxes understood i'll do it based on page 10 thank you and then on page 16 um this morning i don't know about anybody else but i was kind of surprised by the frs changes that are being requested i'm not even sure if that's going to come to us for a vote is that included in any of this information because the senior management change with frs how does that play into what we're being presented here prior to the email that i saw this morning ma'am i was unaware when we met yesterday that that was on the website i can tell you that the city has been part of the frs program since the late 90s that is not anything new that was adopted by the commission when they went from a 401 457 program to frs and were legally required if there's any changes within there which is administrative in nature to add it the only the only position that i saw on that posting ma'am that's different is the facility infrastructure man director all other positions that were shown on there are already frs okay i just have to show because we're we're limited we have a maximum number of positions for directors that can be within the that class so i would like to still get the analysis that i had requested because obviously that does impact the budget if people are already part of frs and if they're already part of that senior management class then it should be moot but i would like to see that analysis on that it's in the email that i sent today yes ma'am i'll be quite honest with you other than a clip blurb i've not left the conference room no and i and i understand so i didn't expect to have that tonight but i would like to definitely see that understood thank you and then on page 25 the capital outlay increased by you know almost 40 percent yes ma'am are there any big projects in there or anything ma'am that's all capital outlay and i can refer you to um if you go to tab five okay i'm sorry tab four that is made up on those pages of fleet and equipment okay these are all per part of the vehicle replacement policy so any vehicle that's on here has to either be a certain age which our minimum age is seven our maximum age is 15 or it has to have x amount of hours on it or their expenditures for um fleet repairs exceeds 50 of their purchase price so there's three caveats in order to get replaced makes sense i i asked for a vehicle and i was denied because it's not within that policy that's true okay thank you so much that's all i have for right now any other commissioners vice mayor avila vasquez and then commissioner harriet thank you um on page 24 where you have the parks and recreation summary yes ma'am so is that what is on the budget for all expenses to work on the parks um yes ma'am okay yes um parks operations specifically okay so i went through the uh book that we were given which is what i thought we were going to be reviewing tonight but i didn't see anything in here about the boat ramp isn't that part of parks and wrecks that's already part of the this year's oh it's part of public works okay if it's part of public works then i'll wait till we get to public works thank you i was always thought it was parks and wrecks thank you commissioner harriet thank you mayor um i would john like to go back to not we don't not a particular slide but the um section one when you there's a there was a slide about the trim notification and can you confirm that the trim notification is going out for a higher the current millage rate but we are still anticipating being presented a millage of 6.4948 yes standard to notify on trim the seven or the current millage rate commissioner you're taking away my thunder for monday night so monday night you have to set a maximum millage my request tonight which will be the same as next monday night is 6.7 mils that's the current year millage rate this budget has been built on the rollback rate of 6.498 of 6.4948 okay we have my you must in my opinion go to the maximum that you want because for some reason if anything happens between today and september 22nd state revenues come in half whatever the case might be if you set a maximum millage rate of 6.4948 monday night and we have to increase it september 9th or september 22nd we would have to mail to every parcel owners within deltona that intent to exceed what was in the trim notice excellent that's what i was wanting to confirm thank you for that the um do you want a motion or consensus now on those two items for the additional policy review yes sir do you want to make it well it's just a simple it's just a simple consensus yeah uh and we can just so we're not picking speakers all those in favor just raise your hand please yes we're actually not jumping back and forth it's still part of tab two so go ahead john yes yes ma'am on page 18 i requested for two items i request as part of to be compliant with code of ordinance section 2-183.1 additional scope of services for our external auditor item number one is permission to do a review and recommendation of capital assets to be compliant with gasby statement 104 and an amount not to exceed ten thousand dollars and item two was a fund balance policy review and recommendation for an amount not to exceed seventy five hundred dollars all right all in favor all those that are in favor just raise your hand so we have a we can see who has a simple majority or not all those opposed raise your hand so it's four to two yep by the clerk it requires a super majority and i do believe sir that that's a super majority thank you mayor commissioner did you have anything else i've got one more um this law or the discussion on the um change in frs class the that change is reflected in the current budget that's being presented tonight and it's correct thank you commissioner nabik thank you mayor the 135 552 that's not obligated i'd like to get consensus on that that that be moved uh and designated to transportation reserve um as things come up through the tpo or other projects become available throughout the year regarding transportation i'd like to be able to have some matching funds set aside i think that's a perfect allocation for that we could have that also include four four roads as well anything for transportation that comes up that we we might have all those in uh favor for uh for that transfer just raise your hand all those opposed nice so anything else yes um mr mckinney can you explain uh on page 22 yes sir let me get there we're doing consensus the requested budget includes the 14 million five um can you explain the difference between that number and the 25 965 on page 26 uh yes sir as you will recall it's a five-year smooth on the fire assessment so we have to budget so here's our fees here's our expenditures and over the next five years it hits right there so that the on the fifth year our revenues and our expenditures will exceed the revenues for that year but we will have set aside over that five year four year prior period the monies to fund everything the five-year smoothing that is correct thank you sir and where is the ems component carved out uh sir i'm um that has to remain within the general fund so if you go back to page um 21 under fire services the portion related so the overall budget is 18 million 532 000 so that 4.1 million dollars is not eligible towards the fire assessment fee and if you go to page so what's the number for ems yeah i'm going there sir if you go and you you reference page um 73 it's four million four thousand eight hundred and forty three dollars and that's that's all fire transport and that is also four units and that's excluding the income from the billables that is correct that cannot go into the fire assessment fee um we budgeted just under three million dollars for next year thank you sir that's all i've got for right now yes sir thank you all right mr mckinney in um tab 2 section 17 well i mr commissioner novick got that question answered so that's fine uh page 20 we are reducing the city clerk's office yes sir with the new state laws that are coming into place for public records to be fulfilled a lot quicker is that going to affect our city clerk's ability to do her job so i will let me just have you reference page 62 the reduction in the city clerk's budget sir is not personnel it is a software so as all are aware we utilize granicus and granicus is software therefore as we talked about as this year getting everything put within the proper department's divisions and that should be it because these fine individuals over there and the non-general fund utilize it so it gets allocated as part of the it allocation to all funds understood uh page 24 yes sir do you and you don't have to give me an answer on this now but i'd like to get the information for recreation programs i see there's a decrease so that's telling me that we're getting rid of some of the programs can i get or can the commission get the details on what programs are being eliminated please yes sir thank you and commissioner harry you have another question i actually have two there thank you um follow-up to your last question is that uh actually an elimination of a program or would that just be efficiencies that are within the that were created within the department i apologize sir i was listening to my cohort here could you no problem the um follow-up to the mayor's question the reduction in recreational programs is that an elimination of of specific programming or is that just due to efficiencies within the operation i will go right there and tell you for operations sir it's a reduction in personnel cost okay and that's for the elimination of part-time positions that is correct okay so efficiencies within the operation that is correct thank you your parks director director has managed very well with the staff that he has and there is no need to fund those positions excellent thank you sir the next question is more of a comment that came up during our briefing and it was pointing out that they're through within the budget for the rest of the budget is i think where it was predominantly noticed that there are some shifts where there are significant reductions and significant increases and that's related to the reallocation or the the relocation excuse me of budgets from areas where they have been in the past to areas where they are more accurately reflected yes directly reflected so when we get to those areas can you just make note that this you know any of the significant increases or things that look out of place can you just make note and confirm that that is a relocation of a budget from a previous place i can sum it up this pretty easily jim parish over there manages the engineering division that engineering division supports storm water water wastewater and transportation projects we always come in under budget for those projects because we put in within within those budgets for staff time we've not tracked it and we're now tracking it because knowing that we're having to tighten our belt with potential changes with ballot language to make sure that we're covering those costs were applicable so that's the engineering division the other section is is within um jim's divisions and mine were co-shared customer service we have two positions that sit and handle solid waste calls all day long as well as code enforcement has of all their positions we have roughly one full fte that does nothing but solid waste reviews within the city so those three positions why should the general fund pay for them that's solid waste and that's why it's a enterprise fund and those are the only three employees that are charged to solid waste all other individuals was administration in nature so as we went through and things change we look at individuals that are between other departments we have miss phyllis we have a person in hr that again they they support multiple departments divisions outside of in amongst different funds so again general fund shouldn't have a bigger burden than legally required we're just appropriately allocating staff time and resources to the absolutely ones that are benefiting from we spent a lot of time recently going through every position citywide to make sure they're charged to the appropriate location excellent thank you guys and thank you staff we haven't said that yet but thank you very much all right mr mckinney you can continue to revenue estimates please okay okay so tab three annual assessments okay um this is just a regurgitation of what was discussed june 22nd but again it's part of your your overall um funds and we discussed everything at the fund level with the commission street lighting assessment the assessment needed for next year is one hundred and seventy seven thousand eight hundred and sixty one dollars and that will be the amount that i asked for on monday night per resolution the late mcgarrity annual assessment as stated we have over a hundred thousand dollars in fund balance we spend roughly five to seventy five hundred dollars a year in the maintenance of light mcgarrity we cannot eliminate that assessment without the homeowners um express permission so we're going to bring to monday night a zero assessment for next year does not mean that in two years from now we have to bring it back and do a 10 or 15 dollar assessment and i put all of these in alphabetical order so again as i stated we're going against the accounting way of numerical the fire assessment is new per the study we we went in here and this has been a a hot topic you know what portion of the general fund pays for public safety so slide 37 indicates both police and fire so you can see if you go back to 2018 the public safety cost exceeded that of um ad valorem but over the last 10 years we have pretty much stayed on par so our total ad valorem that we collect goes 100 for fire and police services okay so on the fire assessment impact comparison so the way we did this mayor is we had to look at three separate categories we looked at the individuals that had been here long term greater than five years recent sales so people that have bought a bought a new home bought a uh was a resale home of five years or more and then the citywide average so the citywide average um home value is 172 000 that number is is if we implement a fire assessment fee for operating only which was 433 dollars it would necess it would allow for a reduction of a reduction of the proposed or sorry requested millage rate of 6.4948 a reduction of 2.5139 mills which would mean that the millage rate that we would adopt september 22nd would be 3.9809 that means that the the average resident within deltona would see a two cent reduction in their overall tax bill above and below the line from the city of deltona and that is only for millage and the fire assessment that does not include any other assessments that are independent so so when we look to carve out fire operations and administration which is the only two segments legally authorized within the state of florida it would be a two cent difference if we add the capital component so at the may 18th you know workshop we talked about you know the need for either new or significant remodeled stations because most of you know we only have one station um that is you know 15 years or newer we have another station i forget how old station 62 is right now but our other three stations are um you know either two of them are original and the third one is basically a modular building you know still metal building so this fee would then bring in the required monies over the next 10 years to replace all fire engines all specialty apparatus excluding transport and the replacement of the current five stations uh four stations the remodel of the fifth station and the building of a sixth station so all of that is built into that component so if we go the full bore on the fire assessment fee looking at the citywide average their tax bill for those two items would increase to just under 146 dollars but if we look at the recent sales which is over 11 000 parcels within the city their tax bill would decrease by over 300 dollars but then the long-term individuals would see a increase in their bill of 361.85 so so we have you know if we again looking at just scenario one which is for operating components only then you're looking at just under 19 000 residents would see their tax bill stay the same or go lower and i guess to add to that whether you're talking you're talking you know about fgfoa the florida league of cities the florida fire chiefs association we're all looking at you know the proposal to the property tax changes in november the city of deltona started this process with you the commission last summer during the budget workshop so this is nothing that we did as a reaction to current legislative changes we've been in the works on this okay the maximum fire assessment fee that staff is recommending is 579 that does not mean that we're asking monday night for you to implement 579 we're just coming to you asking this is the amount that we want to put on the trim notice so we still have time to make changes if required on this fire assessment so that's just the maximum and that 579 is this the amount required over a five-year period per the question commissioner that you previously asked but again i want to be very clear commission that it is staff's recommendation that if the fire assessment fee is approved on september 9th that there would be a corresponding reduction in the millage rate that we would adopt as part of the tentative budget of 2.5139 mills so you know we you have to approve this coming monday night the the maximum assessment that goes on the trim notice but you must pass all the assessments on september 9th because it has to be approved prior to september 15th that's not my rules that is the tax collector property appraiser deadline imposed by the state of florida the maximum solid waste annual assessment is 287.76 again that is being driven by the the increases contractually under waste pro as well as the volusia county itself those are two main drivers to this increase our stormwater assessment year three 210 dollars we've been increasing it last year and the next two years by the twenty dollars so that by year five of the stormwater fee study we would be at 250 dollars is there any question from the commission vice mayor alvila vasquez thank you mayor on the um solid waste what is the uh contract that we have right now how many years is the current contract for uh 10 years i believe that's a seven-year contract which you all renewed last year last year last year so this 287.76 when does that start that would that would go into effect october 1st of this year yes ma'am but we have a contract for seven years why are we increasing it before the contract is over if we go back and look at the contract it had a set of increase for the first two years and on the third year it goes to a cpi plus so we actually have a reduced increase for the first two years year three through seven has a could potentially have a higher increase or it could actually have a decrease based on cpi okay my other question is with the uh fire assessment fee the 579 is that for five years yes ma'am and then after five years it'll increase again uh yes ma'am we would have we would we would be required to come back and with an updated study showing what that requirement would be for the next five years so year four we would come back to you with a updated study all right thank you yes ma'am commissioner howlington thank you so just from a high level it looks like the non-avalorum is going to be going up to about 1100 per household is that correct non-avalorum yes ma'am so and that will be on a presentation monday night right but i just i'm i mean i've kind of been very steadfast in the fact that our 100 disabled veterans that are service connected disabled veterans are going to be hit with this and those people are on very limited income i know that we've had millionaires paraded in front of us explaining that just because somebody's a disabled veteran doesn't mean they can't pay their fair share but we have disabled veterans in this community that 1100 a year when they're currently paying nothing is going to hurt them and i can't support any increase without protecting them them before we put this into effect so currently right now we have several non-avalorum assessments strictly because not everyone has lake mcgarrity or street lighting but they're already paying the solid waste and storm water so the increase would be 579 dollars to that we are bringing to you september 9th a policy for basically a hardship program of up to 250 000 for individuals that that is a hardship so within the ship programs we already have methodology in place for qualifying for ship and we've already looked at and we'll be proposing to use that same process for income verification and within that um if you come in for ship if you are a disabled veteran and you apply for ship all all income related to va benefits etc have to be disclosed so we would be able to verify very easily if someone has a true hardship that we would be able to through utilization of the general fund to pay them reimburse them for that portion of their non-avalorum taxes that's still a very long process and in the meantime we have people that are dealing with getting a bill like that i know that i've seen people who got a bill that went up by twenty dollars and they cried that's what i'm seeing from my residents so i just can't stomach that to look at a bill that's going from approximately four hundred and fifty dollars to saying now you're going to pay eleven hundred we have people in this town who pay taxes and pay less than eight hundred dollars i don't mind seven thousand but for those people who are paying eight hundred we're hitting them pretty hard and that's unfathomable at this point commissioner novick so let's say we don't do the fire assessment fee yes sir what do we cut and how do we fund it are we talking today or december first i'm talking tonight lower voice just a little i'm talking i'm talking tonight what do we what do we where where does the revenue stream come from if we don't do the fire assessment fee or what do we cut out of that budget so it's stated on slide whatever because what we're talking about is a shift in revenue stream yes sir we're not nobody's mentioned the budget so we're i'm i'm assuming it's a big assumption that we're okay with the budget portion we're talking about the revenue stream methodology so if we don't do the fire fee what does that do to the millage rate to fund the proposed budget as stated on page 22 fire administration and operations are shown in both general fund and fire assessment until final adoption of fire assessment fees so the current requested budget before you of with the millage rate of 6.4948 includes fire operations and administration and the the four two vehicle um the two fire apparatus and the two administration vehicles so we are 100 funded for the current year as is what would not be funded sir without coming back with a hard decision is how do we build the six fire station how do we replace or remodel the existing stations that's the money that we don't have so if we go back to tab one and we look at page 15 we have reserves within the general fund of 26 million 449 471 dollars that could build one fire station new fire station and potentially renovate two or three others as well as improve parks as well as use it for additional road resurfacing but again i would as i've said to you many a times um i would always suggest that we never use fund balance for one-time expenditures such as road resurfacing or something or or personnel that always should be used for cap or capital outlay that have a multi-year use and then if the exemption passes and we lose 17.7 million 17 million then what does that do to the millage rate to maintain the same level of service so i will go back to slide i'll go back to slide eight sir house bill 1329 so if you go and look at all the detail that is behind tab seven we've provided you with um over um 6.3 million dollars in cuts so if house bill if the ballot passes we've given you many items in here that can be cut which would involve personnel across every department within the general fund you could go in and increase the um allocations that come from water wastewater storm water solid waste your rate consultant would come here and tell you that you could legally transfer up to 19 percent of all revenues to the general fund without any issues with bond covenants as that's the acceptable level i would come back to you as stated um last meeting and with additional assessments for parks uh median maintenance enhanced street lighting and i would even come back and say you know we have a utility tax for gas communications uh etc but we don't have it for water which is legally authorized so i would come back to to you with that which would allow for 10 percent of all water sales for the general fund to get a piece of that so then that would impact water wastewater and that they wouldn't be able to maintain their their infrastructure etc unless they had an even bigger increase and as you'll recall when we met a couple of months ago they stood up here and said that we already have the highest water wastewater rates in this region and that's why we held the wastewater increase to zero and only increase the water portion so there will be a lot of hard topics that will go into play come december if the ballot initiative passes okay i don't know how to answer it any other way but i can tell you i've been relied on um the impacts of 2008 to 12 for the housing crisis i had to deal with it for the 2005 stock market crash as well as the effects of covet in in 2020 2021 so i won't i won't i will provide you the best alternatives possible to the city manager to present to you thank you sir vice mayor vila vasquez thank you mayor when you say cut doesn't necessarily have to be staff i mean there's other things that we can cut um in some of the areas events uh making our parks look much prettier than just making them safer you know we need to prioritize our work around the city and concentrate on what's important and what we need to fix that is urgent there's a lot of stuff in this uh budget right now that we're making look pretty so when you say cut i think cutting down on staff will be the last on the line and we can go back and look at everything that we're doing right now and there's a lot of stuff that we can cut that will not damage the city budget and i can tell you that i um listened to governor de santa's speech recently he mentioned that in 2019 and i forget the number that he used versus 2026 there was about 36 million or billion profits and he according to him not his exact words he finds it very hard to believe that a city in 2026 cannot meet their budget without cutting the necessary requirements and needs of the city so and this is the governor of the state of florida florida so i'm just sitting here listening what you're saying about cutting this cutting cutting cutting but i never heard cut you know whatever improvements we have to make in parks in in lighting i mean we have been without lighting for how long so right now we should wait until what happens with this tax uh in november instead of putting all these fees and more money on our taxpayers than to just come out and charge them because once we approve this we can't take it back it's going to be there so i think that we are just jumping the ball over the park or whatever you want to call it a little bit first of all i mean we can do with a lot of none of these improvements until this you know thing flies over in november but i just don't think it's right just to say well you know we're going to continue fixing this that doesn't need to be fixed right away but we're going to get rid of two staff people i think that's not the way it should be looked at commissioner harriet thank you mayor i think we're confusing two different conversations here i think you are um all right we're not going to start this because let's remain respectful to each other ultimately the conversation the initial conversation was what if we don't do the assessment fee if we don't do the assessment fee we still balance the budget at a rollback rate there's they've got a program in place ready to implement to help those that are financially disadvantaged but this assessment fee also significantly reduces the tax bill for a majority of the residents that are paying a significant amount the other issue is a discussion centered around amendment three i think it's disingenuous to associate the governor's comments on a statewide basis to a city that is primarily over 90 percent residential that doesn't have the commercial tax base we don't have that kind of growth that a lot of the other areas of the country or the state have seen and so when we have this conversation if we're having the conversation about the assessment fee the balance the budget's balanced at the millage rate or at the rollback rate that's separate we're just shifting to farther reduce the millage rate or adding sorry farther reducing the millage rate and adding an assessment fee or sticking with rollback the conversation about amendment three and i believe the impact to the city in year two would be about 17.7 million that's correct if we look at slide 16 just the general fund summary and we have to remember that amendment three only affects and impacts the general fund it only impacts the ad valorem revenue that 17.7 almost 18 million dollars would eliminate support services parks and recreation and a significant majority of public works if we don't make those cuts in other departments you can't you can't just cut capital projects that are one-time expenditures to make up for a reduction in revenue you have to cut operating to right size operating to match the reduction in revenue i think it's important to keep those two conversations separate yes may or may i um just reference page nine that's sure and then we'll just get started on tab four afterwards please so if you look at tab nine our total general fund budget as stated is 79 million eight hundred and forty five thousand two hundred and twelve of that we transfer out five point four million dollars for cip programs so that's whether it goes to municipal services transportation storm water parks etc that's there your next two biggest items are personnel operating and capital i can tell you a prior city of mine went in and they eliminated the replacement of fire engines police vehicles etc that they had they didn't replace any vehicles for close to 10 years they were putting two new engines or transmissions that they had spent three times the cost of a new vehicle operating costs that's your fpl that's your duke that's your your your fleet your it etc you you cannot cut 17.7 million out of there there it's it's just not there so i wholeheartedly agree with everyone on the commission that the last thing that we want to do is cut personnel i can sit here and knock on this table and tell you that in every one of the situations i've always been fortunate never had to cut staff during any of these cycles i can't say that that's always the case but you cannot do it when out of all the parcels in this city only 4.45 percent are commercial so we're over 95 residential we do not have the tax base of commercial industrial to smooth the effects of november ballot if passed you mr mckinney can we go to the next we're in fund and revenue budget thank you so going to capital outlay uh mayor everything on here is per policy so when we met may 18th again excuse me one minute we're in capital outlay or are we in tab four we should be in four yeah okay yes sir i understand sorry when we met may 18th we had that great workshop great format i look forward to doing it again we presented all the capital outlay in compliance with our our policy everything on here has to either be a certain age a certain mileage or certain expense so if you go back and reference the binder that was provided for that workshop all of those items are in here plus we we had several items that were enhancements we received no comments to exclude them and those have been included as well so we have 5.7 million in in vehicle replacements of those only one of those is outside the general fund and that is the um three quarter ton truck for storm water all of the other items are within the general fund commissioner novick if we pass the assessment fee on september 9th everything that's listed there under fire would be paid for by the fire assessment and would be removed as part of the millage um tentative millage those those are prepaid sir let's hold off all the questions please still after on the equipment um everything in here um on this on the first page is general fund related we have very little um items near the bottom that are outside the general fund in our water wastewater and storm water but again everything that's presented to you in this book is balanced revenues cover everything that's in here that's all i have on tab four sir all right commissioner robert can you repeat that question just so we can hear okay can you just repeat it because we i didn't i actually didn't hear you two ambulances were prepaid so that's yes sir as you approve that as part of this year's budget we know that it doesn't come in so that is an automatic carry forward on that so one of the things that i do want to just point out is if the maximum millage is approved next week then we would be bringing back in august an agenda item per policy um it's part of the purchasing policy that anything that has a long lead time is considered an emergency so we would pre all get pre-authorization from the commission to do the um letter of intents for all of these so that we can get in the queue because if we wait until october to do it then i said this we're a small fish in a big pond and the orlandos the seminoles the tampas they put their hundreds of vehicles and it we miss out so and not only that by issuing the letter of intent prior to september 30th the majority of our vehicles are done off of either the source well or sheriff's bid and by getting it in there we're able to hopefully beat the increase that goes into effect october 1st so we have a huge advantageous reason to issue the notices of intent that's all i have mayor any other questions from the commission all right those uh those other larger agencies are also doing the letters of intent also you know they're not they're not waiting until october 1st either so it's a smart move on our part thank you we're going to go ahead and move to special assessments uh sir we're on um tab five um cip if that's okay that is step i guess my book is different go ahead okay uh cip um no change on this from previous general cip capital improvements 1.3 million dollars that will take care of the fuel depot city-wide broadband improvements fire storage bays to be determined fire training complex at day road the funding sources are transferred from general front cwg fire impact and fire assessment again as we go through tab five as a reminder by policy every one of the items that are in this tab if the budgets get approved must come back before the city commission for final approval as it is a construction in progress item fund 302 parks capital improvements i won't read through all of these but this covers parks throughout the city it's just over four million dollars the funding sources transfer from general funds cdbg and park impact fees one of the things in all of these items as we just um you just improve approved the impact fees at the last meeting so again we have made sure as part of our five-year cip process that we are utilizing a hundred percent of all available impact fees by the fiscal year 28 transportation capital improvements fund five 303 it's just over five billion dollars again not going to go through all of these but i just want to highlight rhode island extension of two million dollars for design and right away and citywide road resurfacing of two million dollars this is funded by the local option gas tax transportation impact fees cdbg and cra fund 402 is just over six million dollars it's whether it's a treatment for water sewer distribution or collections or reclamation it's citywide throughout the city this also includes the grant that we were just a war um approved as part of the state's fiscal year 2627 budget of 1.25 million dollars for water main replacements so the funding sources is state grant impact fees and transfer from water wastewater wastewater stormwater capital improvements fund 422 is just under four million dollars this includes the lake baton clear water improvements i want to highlight lake windsor because as a reminder from prior commission directives any money that was remaining from the arpa funds is to be moved over to lake windsor so that that money there is being paid by arpa the remaining funds transfer a general fund and a transfer from the stormwater fund and again we've talked about this repeatedly and i'll just again put it on record you know the stormwater fee of 210 for next year cannot sustain the capital improvements needed from the fund so that's why we must transfer monies from the general fund to support the operations and improvements and improvements of stormwater that's all i have on this tab sir commissioner harriet then vice mayor vila vasquez thank you mayor on um the discussion about rhode island extension we had initially discussed or there was an initially a question about the method in which that was going to be completed whether it would be city only or a joint effort with the county has there been any additional movement on that plan i would need to defer to jordan to answer that question please we are currently working with the county to um put together an mou between the city and the county and legal is working on that right now fantastic thank you for that update and then um the on the stormwater fund when we approved the stormwater mill the stormwater fee increases increases last year if i remember correctly that that increase when we made that increase we knew that that wasn't going to cover the capital cost we knew that the costs coming from all of the basin studies and the work that staff has been doing to determine what what we need in in terms of infrastructure to address a lot of our flooding concerns was going to exceed the collection of that stormwater fee is that obviously that's still the case but that is my case i'm remembering that correctly that that was always the plan was that the stormwater fee would cover operating if we had additional funding above what was collect or what was spent for operating then we would put that towards capital but we knew that it wasn't going to cover capital that is correct in this year budget alone we have budgeted roughly two million dollars from the general fund to support stormwater thank you vice mayor vila vasquez and then commissioner novick thank you um i have a question more in the lines of the rhode island extension and maybe it answers it with the answer that jordan gave it but does this project also involve orange city funds not this portion um so this is just city funds still 20 city funds that is correct you currently have 15 million dollars set aside for rhode island and that's coming from that money okay and um is the city going to be involved in this project even though it was turned over more or less to the county if it's approved i'll defer to the city attorney so the interlocal agreement that is currently being drafted and negotiated with the county and will be coming back to you all for final approval and execution contemplates the county uh doing the construction and project administration but the city having approval as to design uh alignment um aesthetics all of the things that the city commission should uh provide input on thank you commissioner knobby then commissioner howington just on uh water wastewater on the on 402 fund uh the fisher plant chlorine relocation did you get a chance to look at the swap out with using ozone he broke it there we go uh yes we did discuss it with uh with our our engineer of record uh they're looking at that as an option we've just received 60 percent plans they had already had the 60 percent plans in the works so that would be a change that we would go to from 60 to 90 percent but that is something that we're we're we're currently very quickly like we might have a cost savings there and an operational cost savings as well it would it would have a a increase in cost the the either uv or ozone is more expensive than bleach however you have additional savings in other areas uh so just the the straight swap it would have more but it also has some water quality improvements also okay all right so we're still looking at that absolutely yes thank you sir commissioner howington thank you going back to rhode island extension so we already have 15 million dollars sitting there we're going to throw another two million at it for the design is the design really going to cost 17 million dollars usually it's up to 20 percent okay of the project estimated project cost and do we have any sort of a timeline on what the county is looking at for the project and beginning the project no ma'am but i do want to point out one of the statements you made it's not two million dollars of new money it's two million dollars of prior year um fund balance and then uh going back to 24 25 budget season the uh the commission had approved campbell park to receive fitness equipment yes ma'am and here we're going into 26 27 and i'd really like to know where the fitness equipment is for campbell that was voted on as part of the 24 25 budget because i don't seem to be getting it and my residents would like to have that um i'll i'll defer to mr manning on that we did discuss it with him immediately after yesterday's meeting okay thank you and it was fiscal year 24 budgeted by the way thank you mayor good afternoon commission yes that was a federally funded program we had an issue with the funding we are in process now getting the requisitions going for phase one and phase two based on the funding sources we're gonna have to do phase one which will be the equipment itself phase two will be the canopy that covers the equipment so that will be in process thank you i appreciate that commissioner harriott thank you mayor uh just want to clarify and confirm that the the two million dollars for rhode island is coming out of the fifteen dollars that we have allocated yeah sorry fifteen million dollars yes sir there was a capital m after that you just couldn't see it the uh out of the 15 million that was that's allocated and restricted to rhode island that is correct and then regardless of the outcome of the agreement we would still be putting all of that 15 million towards rhode island extension it would just be a matter of based off of the agreement whether we give that money to the county or we pay for vendors and contractors ourselves so we're not i just want to make sure that we're not we're not spending money that isn't going to benefit us throughout the remainder of the progress project based on the mou that would be approved and the funding sources that would come from it then it we the city would then be either giving the 15 million dollars to the county or as bills come in we would pay our pro-rate a share from the 15 million one of the two yep thank you really quick can i get a at some point emailed to all of us how much uh how many miles of road of roads two million dollars gets us in road resurfacing and then the methodology that we're using i know that you guys have one in place so explain it to the rest of the commission so we can publicly put it out there yes sir when we um submit we'll get all answers um within the week thank you vice mayor yeah real quick um i'm guessing it'll bring uh be brought to us when it's finalized the plans of which way the uh entrance and exit of rhode island is going to be taking whether through the um the school street front or the back because either way it's going to affect the school so i guess we'll be getting that plan ahead of time before it gets approved right as they go through the design process we would absolutely get input and be shared with us their design thoughts thank you that will be brought to you back to you from um through jordan's office all right we're going to get a motion from commissioner harrington because i i still want to give public time to speak so commissioner harrington i'd like to make a motion to extend the meeting for 30 minutes do we think that that would be enough for the to let people speak two hours on a two hours on a workshop did we start we did start by three okay all right then okay all right can we move to the next uh tab a budget recap now i got the right okay yes sir it's it increased to 142. so just to recap this evening is the citywide budget is uh 208 million 35 947 dollars the general fund is 79 million 845 212 dollars that we have balanced the requested budget at the rollback millage rate of 6.4948 we have 20 million 406 149 dollars in capital improvements 8.2 million dollars in fleet and capital outlay we have outstanding debt of 137 million 616 thousand 876 dollars as a reminder as we go through monday night's action items up to september 9th if we approve the fire assessment fee whether it's the 579 or 433 or somewhere in between the staff will bring back to you as part of the tentative budget the offsetting millage rate the current offsetting millage rate is 2.5139 mills that would reduce the the balance rollback millage to balance the budget to 3.9809 so that would be a decrease of night for 19 000 homes within the city limits of deltona what are your next steps monday night july 20th at 6 30 during the regular commission meetings you will set the maximum millage that is required by law as part of the trim process and you're approving the maximum limits of the special assessments for inclusion in the trim notice that provides for the required legal notifications for all non-advalorum assessments that does not mean that monday night that is the final amount you when they when the residents the property owners receive their trim notice legally it's a 20-day window from when you know from when they mail it before we can have the final public hearing and that is september 9th that is 23 days after the mailing so we're well within the legal requirements of notification you will receive based on tonight's action a proposed budget book no later than august 12th that is 16 days sooner than what is in the budget calendar that y'all gave us consensus on back in march we are slated and this was a typo on my last budget workshop and that is my fault i apologize for it but the next slated workshop if needed is august 31st i had said the prior monday night your millage and public budget public hearings where you set your tentative and final budgets is slated for wednesday september 9th at 6 30 p.m and monday september 21st at 6 30 p.m let me just i want to look one last time because i'm pretty sure i said september 22nd before so let me just double check my calendar thank you it is monday september 21st so i found two typos in my presentation so again making sure it's correct because that is what's in the resolution for monday night's maximum millage resolution mayor unless there's any other comments i have no other items for this evening all right if there's no other comments from the commission i would like to go to our uh public so uh city clerk can we please call the public tim blodgett please can we give mr blodgett a microphone instead of him trying to drive that all the way around oh there he is right there green light go um let's see where do i begin john 98 completely clear and concise it wasn't hard to follow for me at all outstanding job um zach i'm glad to hear we don't have any more attorney fees being tacked on this year i'm so proud of you uh public works holding the line outstanding i don't know what you guys are doing but keep doing it um i wish someone could figure out what's going on with the uh sheriff's office i mean we keep pumping more and more technology into them they have something new in their bat belt every year and the prices just keep on going up astronomically we've been taking uh taking uh criminals off the street hell we got a super speeder off of howland avenue the other day uh that's going to be worth something in uh dollars and cents it's very nice to see our two commissioners who had the most physical background putting their input thank you marissa thank you miss havington and uh aside from that your staff did a great job john uh there's not a whole lot that i could see with it other than i can't wait till monday have a good night christmas burgles please hey mayor while she's coming up there i would also like to point out to you we posted this afternoon the summary budget but since we've been sitting in this room we've posted the entire detailed budget presentation which includes all the department's individual recaps so that is available now for everybody sorry i wasn't laughing at you i was laughing at out um hi it's courtney crossburgos um the paperwork the i know jonathan that's why you said it because you know i was going to ask but i understand that it's online but you know some of us are used to having the budget books printed i get that it's kind of a waste but instead of having a gazillion in one of the white papers there maybe i mean there's like 11 of us here maybe we could have some books so that we can follow along i personally can't see that thing very well with my sugar and stuff but that's just me um with these fire assessment our residents are going to pay double this year if i'm reading it correctly you're shaking your head no well it's already with with the other isn't there a way for us to wait to make these decisions after november and we see what happens with the the um property tax vote how come i've asked a couple of times here i don't see the three minutes so um i've asked a couple of times before how come we haven't had anything like debarry that they have given us given their residents information and then different options to think about and see which what we think if it passes if it doesn't pass i know myself i go every other week oh i should say yes no i should say no it would help and they did a very great job of it um and i've been homesteaded almost 25 years here between the land and here and you guys are like just pricing you out of here i'm maybe that's the purpose but um you know when we did the impact fees it was all about okay well it's only going to be the new residents that are paying it not the old ones okay then for years we hear we need commercial to lessen the taxes tax burden for the residents okay but now this one is let's make all the old long people that have been here for a long time pay more and the new people will pay less you guys are confusing me what is it it can't be all three as far as i can tell and i i don't know i we i think we need more explanation of what's going to what could possibly happen in november with the property tax vote and to see what our options are for the city if i'm having to tighten my belt and cut down on things in my household i expect us to do it as a city as well and i know you have done some i'm not saying that you have not at all but there is still fluff in there i mean we still got the darn scholarship they should have been gone with the three minutes path logic please path logic i agree with courtney we need to remove the fluff like morita was saying we need to stay within what we can afford okay celtic festivals okay doc i'm sorry but if we can't afford it we can't afford it um waste pro i don't understand why it went up so much when do we get this dispute actually sit down and dispute the budget there are a lot of things on there that i don't agree that we need uh teresa mason study okay it's on the budget but where is it the budget for lakeshore okay what's going on with lakeshore you know we just need answers and we're not getting answers um okay we have a workshop but okay i'm i'm sad to say that where is everybody that's gonna say something they're gonna say it on facebook okay that's it thank you mayor they're close all the comments all right city manager uh mayor commission just want to let you know this was a surprise to john uh yesterday i brought it to his attention uh john mckinney our finance director florida government finance officers association uh sent me this letter that states your director of finance john mckinney serves as chair of the certification committee for the florida government finance officers association fg foa in addition he has served as past president and seminar leader at both the state and national levels through his service in these roles he brings honor and statewide recognition to the city of deltona the fg foa is uh consists of 3 300 members statewide professional finance officers knowledge integrity and dedication ensures the funds are trusted to the government are properly budgeted dispersed and accounted for you and the city of deltona should take great pride in jonathan mckinney through his service he demonstrates the city's commitment to good governance and exceptional public service john mckinney thank you job all right team this meeting is adjourned