going to get started with the city commission workshop for june 9th 2025 if i can please have the city clerk call the roll here here this time if we can please stand for the pledge and i will ask commissioner lully if he can lead us in the pledge of allegiance i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all i'd like to call a point of order what is your point of order commissioner howington i'd like to add a section for add for additions for this meeting we can't do that actually i was told by our attorney that we could we can add an item for discussion if the commission votes to amend the agenda they would have to vote to amend the agenda what is what is the discussion that you want to add i would like to put forth a motion for a temporary moratorium we're in the middle of a workshop we can't do motion it would be a discussion on a moratorium or temporary moratorium it would be direction to the city staff and attorneys to move forward and this is based on the information that zach gave me on friday yeah you all can add a discussion item so you can't pass a resolution tonight but you all can have a discussion and at the end of the discussion just like the last workshop you can say come back with an ordinance for us to review and that would have to be for a vote or come back with a resolution for us to review and that would have to be a vote but if the majority of this body wants to add another topic for discussion you can and then you can have that discussion if your motion is to have a discussion about a moratorium i would second that if that's your motion so this full paper is your motion is there a time certain for this yes it will be time certain based on one of two criteria so you have the first criteria with the nine months or until the second bullet there city attorney can we proceed or no so you can proceed it's just important that you're not voting to take action you're voting to add this discussion topic to the agenda and at in a course of your discussion if the majority of you give direction to bring something back for you to vote on that would be perfectly acceptable you just can't vote on the thing tonight you can't vote on a moratorium tonight you can't vote on an ordinance or resolution but you can have you can vote to put a discussion topic on to discuss this topic and i did run this past zach and jemma prior okay can you please call uh oh go ahead yes and i can't hear the city clerk just thank you commissioner colwell yes commissioner howington yes commissioner lally yes mayor bela yes all right so can i make my motion now you already did that's what we just did yes but i'd like for people who are here to hear what the motion is because they did not hear it go ahead commissioner i moved to direct city staff and city attorneys to draft an ordinance and hold a public hearing regarding the authorization of a temporary moratorium on the issuance of development orders and development permits for development of townhomes cluster homes and multi-family residential dwelling units residential development on lots less than one acre residential development over one dwelling unit per acre on any property property located within the city the during the duration of the moratorium should be the shorter of and to a date certain of nine months or the time it takes the city commission to enact regulations regarding implementation of all impact fees and determine the impact of new residential development on transportation police ems and public safety adequacy of public facilities recreation and open space accessibility for emergency and public service vehicular traffic adequacy of drainage facilities availability of public infrastructure including general government facilities like city hall roads trails sidewalks solid waste stormwater wastewater and water and the moratorium ordinance should also provide for exemptions waivers and appeals as required by law or as further determined or actually i'm striking that part for the determination of the commission keep it to as law if that's all right with everybody else i'm going to second that again because it's my interpretation that the first vote that we just did was not for that and i don't want there to be any ambiguity so if that's where we're able to move forward with i would second it again and i really think we should do another vote okay excuse me may i hold on everyone go ahead luce yes my question was i thought this was a motion to add this to the workshop for discussion that's what it's yeah so my understanding is the first motion and vote that you all took was to add the topic for discussion and this is commissioner howington's discussion topic that she wants to bring forward um again you all aren't voting tonight but you can discuss this i think she proffered this as the concept that she wants you all to discuss and then if there's consensus we would draft an ordinance and bring it back to you um but there just needs to be consensus but i believe and commissioner hampton please correct me but this is what you're proffering as what you would like to discuss and what you would like to see have happen um again just like at the last workshop when you guys said go research the tnr and come back with the tnr right like that's what you tell us to do and we bring you a product an ordinance in this case if you give direction and then you all would just like any ordinance we would you know you would have to review it and then pass it by two readings it would be noticed and you have to pass it by two readings if you wanted to adopt the ordinance yes and we've actually walked backwards on the calendar because we are under the gun with sb 180 that everybody keeps mentioning is going to go into effect on july 1st so with this what we're doing is we are setting ourselves in a position that if we so choose to elect to have a temporary moratorium have dates already kind of outlined i believe it's june 23rd and june 30th that we would have to meet to put it into place by july 1st and then if we did that the portion that people are not discussing right now is volusia county in 1970 became a home rule charter county point of order we're adding this to the agenda to be under section b which is the new added agenda let's hold all that conversation for then okay okay and then one last thing that i will add the governor hasn't even received sb 180 that's correct so this whole conversation is and we'll get into that for that discussion but that's that's fear mongering he he hasn't even made a decision if he's going to veto the bill so let's let's hold off but everybody keeps acting as if it's going through so i mean i'm not everyone i'm sure other people up here don't agree with that but let's we'll have the discussion when the time comes let's start with the the business that's in hand that that's been advertised and then we can get to your points so business a public works utility and projects excuse me mayor did we have to do another vote or the first one was sufficient the first one was sufficient you added this the topic about to discuss a temporary moratorium um to the agenda that's it that's it you've added it it's now added to the agenda and you all will be able to discuss it i believe the mayor said when we get to be miss wallace phyllis wallace public works i'm gonna miss wallace i think your mic is off can you hear me now better i'm green i can hear you perfect it's like directing i'm green um for ease of clarity i'm going to follow the agenda and then we do have a presentation but i'm going to follow this agenda that we should uh we were supposed to cover back at our workshop a few saturdays ago we weren't able to get to this so let's start with the flooding project citywide by no means is this a complete list but it is kind of our highlights if you will so we have elcam boulevard at lake helen oestein road that intersection we have submitted that for transform 386 uh the second phase um oestein elementary school on doyle road we know that that's kind of a joint project between the school board volusia county and the city only because we get the phone calls um been trying to coordinate a meeting with the the parties including the city to see what we can do as a joint effort um lake sterling we've looked into how we might be able to do some drawdowns to lake sterling so that we can offset the adverse impacts that happen downstream through and then on down to the drysdale area elcam boulevard that is also a project that i submitted for transform 386 at the second phase home acquisition and demolition um since hurricane ian we've had no additional submittals from any of our residents regarding them um blue heron stormwater park that would be kind of tied with the um sterling lake drawdown trying to basically mitigate what's happening there how can we move water maybe in two directions versus one um how can we improve the downstream impact so that we can take more water and then where do we go with that water when it gets to the end because there is an ending point so we need to be mindful of that um that also includes drysdale pond once again i did submit that for transform 386 want to bring you up to speed on some of the pipes that you've always seen out during emergencies that we start laying out in advance of storms typically there are 36 locations that we lay out pipes or lay flat hoses put pumps and start pumping of those this year we have buried 15 of those so we are way ahead of the game as far as being able to be prepared for the next storm event that leaves staff with the ability not to have to run around find pipe get fittings get it in the lay it down and then worry about some of our residents who have in the past decided to um undermine our efforts by damaging our infrastructure so that covers the flooding projects um i also want to bring up that the mayor along with um all of the other mayors in the city with the in the cities of the city of deltona are part of a stormwater subcommittee group um i attend those meetings with the mayor when i'm available and that is an effort to be a to look at a holistic approach to stormwater not just the city of deltona is a standalone debarry is a standalone how can we work together because our problems are not unique to strictly deltona problems we have our other agencies have those problems as well stormwater projects within your package you have the list of the nearly 50 million dollars worth of stormwater projects and i would be remiss if i didn't tell you that the stormwater assessment fee is falling short of us being able to do all of those projects finance we're working together to try to find different funding opportunities whether that's a bond whether that's a bank loan so that we can get some of these projects underway of that 50 million dollars is approximately 45 projects that we have identified in the last last eight years your stormwater crew has completed 51 projects that include pipelining new infrastructure upgrades mitigation so we are making some headway by no means are we ahead of the game but we spend our money wisely and we are limited with the funds that we have available next item was the hurricane loss mitigation program that is for the state of florida the city of deltona did not make any applications for that that was a short window of opportunity for application there was a very limited funding source available only one application per agency 250 000 and then the period of performance was basically a one-year period and for us we don't have any projects that are shovel ready that would fall under that criteria i did suggest that the windows for city hall might fall under that criteria but i understand that city hall has already made application through another grant in which to fund those windows or at least partially those windows replacements hazard mitigation grant that is one that we have applied for and as you've seen before in my presentation we have gotten the catalina boulevard elevation we have l cam those are both phase ones where we will get to 75 25 split city hall we just got the notification from the florida division of emergency management that fema has looked favorably upon our whole building generator and for those that are not familiar during an event if we lose power and we're activated here this is the only part of the building that has full power and as somebody who has slept here overnight when there is no power that runs the rest of the building with the exception of emergency lights little bit of plug-in at outlets no air conditioning and you're sharing space with a hundred other staff members in your downtime you're not getting a whole lot of rest but it also provides this facility is being a more robust facility that if we were to have a power outage for any reason duke energy has something that goes wrong they lose a grid we can still function and continue our operations here at the city with hmgp we helped um seven residents make application for different opportunities through that program one i did bring back to you which is a home elevation we just got the bids on that so we should be wrapping that up as far as helping that resident start that project we also i am presenting to you monday night for a demolition and rebuilding of a home so that's good news and then the rest of them are still in the process some of those were bundled not as individual projects but with other projects in the hopes that they would um have a cost benefit analysis that was positive so that's where we are um we have a second round of submittals which we just uh tidied up last week or maybe 10 days ago for five bypass pumps for five lift stations and that request was for 1.5 million dollars uh bypass pumps for nine pump stations lift stormwater pump stations that's a ask of 2.1 million dollars and then believe it or not folks when we don't have power our traffic signals do not work and we only have so many generators so we've asked for 15 permanent generators for our traffic signals uh at an ask of 1.2 million now we had to prioritize those because the funding that was now been allocated has kind of diminished so we prioritized them with stormwater being a priority lift stations for sanitary sewer being a second priority and we're hopeful we'll get those two projects and that is a 75-25 split so the city could come out very um very positive if we get those grants that was a total of 4.8 million dollars that we requested elevate florida is a program that is very similar to hmgp specific for home personal homes residential homes that the state has decided that they want to undertake that program versus going through the hazard mitigation grant program the positive to that is there's one less step the shortcomings for that is our residents don't have an advocate who understands the process maybe a little bit better than they do and we can't represent them now we'll try to help them any way we can any data that they need in their application submittals we'll try to get that for them but that is a shortcoming i think of the program in general i am unaware of any of our residents that we've advised of this program if they've made application or not i've heard some have tried and have had some difficulty so transform 386 the second round um just to clarify our first round we submitted two projects and the county had determined that those were maintenance and you can't submit for maintenance projects so the project that we applied for this go-around as i mentioned earlier the blue heron park stormwater pump station sanitary sewer lift station elevations as you know some of our lift stations were nearly underwater during the storms and we had to take extraordinary efforts to sandbag around them so it would be nice to get them elevated outside of the flood zone i put in for the l cam boulevard and lake helen osteen road and stormwater improvement we have an ability with a lake that is within the twin lake subdivision called lake sweet gum to possibly draw down water from their lake take it over to one of our lift state our pump stations and then take that up to the rip site so we've made application for transform 386 with that because that helps us harvest water and the benefit is if we can capture some water and draw down that lake ahead of time then some of the problems they've had in the past might be mitigated and then once again the sterling lake control structure and pump station so that totals 4.8 million dollars as well and that would be we've put this in as a 50 50 share with transform 386 we found that the higher percentage that you put in or certainly more than 10 or 25 percent gives you a higher ranking that's part of the process so that's where we are with that that's it on my agenda that we've covered and i'm happy to start the presentation to show you some of the projects that we have out there now if you'd like yeah and then we have questions from commissioner over the basket was right after the presentation okay right after the presentation but if you want to start getting on the board because yeah commissioner lully's on there already so we'll just do it manually we won't use technical things but the project that is ms katherine's there as well so um this is the projects that we're going to be going over now are all in-house projects that we anticipate being completed before the end of this fiscal year this is for faye court we have um nuisance flooding on faye court so this should benefit those residents over there where they're not um standing in maybe knee-high water at the end of a storm event whether it's a big storm event or just a regular you know downpour that we might get same issue over on diamond street for those that aren't familiar that's off of deltona boulevard and of course you drive in diamond street in which to get to one of our fire stations yeah and these are not big budgeted items and that's why they can be done in-house with staff these are projects that they can do in-house the tulsa drive dorchester drive area that was greatly impacted during hurricanes in nicole and milton so this will help with the runoff and drainage in that area through an in-house project and the same thing with hall over boulevard um we didn't get a before picture that was actually this visual uh from this standpoint but this is over off of fort smith at fort smith um near sandler that area where the contractor the minsey contractor has been in and has been cleaning up everything out there so um great improvement over there this is our sandbagging machines that we have and i do want to bring you up to speed on our anticipation we are readying to prepare for distribution in the event of a storm we're going to have 10 000 bags ready to go and we have decided that we think the location that's going to work for the city as a whole is to set up over at dewey boston because we can bring people in off of saxon two lanes of traffic 10 000 bags already ready staff will be there to help load those for the residents and as those bags are being diminished our team will be restocking those bags filling those up as you know we can do about 1200 bags a minute we have two two machines so we can keep up with that and we think it's going to be a a great benefit to our residents and and to staff it lessens the amount of staff that needs to be there and frees them up to be in other locations you've seen the listing for the milling and restriping and we do have quite a bit but two million dollars doesn't go very far i used to be able to get for 120 000 one mile of of milling and resurfacing not so much anymore and the thermoplastic that runs with that is nearly as expensive so we try to be as frugal and fiduciary financially prudent with the money and look at areas that um maybe there's a road that doesn't meet the criteria that it's 60 below with the pavement condition index but maybe it's at 68 or 70 and it's next to a road that we're going to do economy of scales is i don't have to demobilize somebody to go somewhere else and then bring them back next year so this is the list of the roads uh primary roadways to and from and new sidewalk installations i think you've seen this list as well and our goal is to have um five foot wide sidewalks everywhere throughout the city that we can we do run into difficulties with existing sidewalks with old sidewalks ada compliance once you start you may have to go down the street around the corner in which to end up with a sidewalk that's complying with ada and so these are the new sidewalk installations and you're familiar with the theresa basin study we are moving we are on schedule with that project we have a progress meeting this week so we can come back in upcoming weeks to brief you on where we are but they are on schedule and we do anticipate having a product with their study completed at the end of this year and that's it for my my side of public works all right commissioner vila vasquez you uh was that the end of the presentation no he's not oh okay go ahead just let me know when the presentation is over because i want to make sure that every commissioner has a chance to speak so now we get to the utility all right so all the all of the uh projects that i'm getting ready to discuss are things that are currently underway currently have already gone before the commission and have been approved and are almost completed or beginning um the first one i want to talk about is the the fisher project that's currently going on right now um this is a project to to reduce the nutrient load under the current configuration that we have to get better nutrient removal to meet some of the requirements that dep requires us to meet um we've been going through this project now for a little over uh 13 months um and it's it's it's one of those where we have a lot of planning and all of these projects have a lot of planning going up to them there's one that we'll talk about that there's been a 16 month lead time for it um but this project currently we're 70 complete uh the budget was was a little over 1.3 million dollars uh we've got about 500 000 remaining in and we should be finished with it um by august 31st of this year and basically what we're doing is we're we're changing how the flow goes throughout the tanks so that you get better nutrient removal which is nitrogen and phosphorus which is better for uh for the environment and meets the limitations that dep puts on us to actually you know before we can discharge any sort of reclaim it's got to meet those stringent numbers uh that plant was originally built in 1958 uh it had a a uh kind of a rehab in 1992 so our standards are at 1992 standards so we're trying to get it halfway in between where we need to before we have to have that full upgrade which we've we've begun begun to discuss and we'll be bringing before the commission uh for the full kind of upgrade for it um so that's the that's the first project that that the utility is is going through right now the second one is still at fisher and this is a very small project but but something that i wanted to to to give to y'all is what this is is this is taking the the one of the last parts of the process which is the filtration anybody that's got a pool has a sand filter and that sand filter you have to backwash every now and again to make sure that it can it can filter out anything that's been in the pool any of the say for example your uh sunscreen that's in there or any any bugs uh in there that are they're in there so we have the same kind of thing it's the sand filter there and it needs to be rehabbed it's it's it's not functioning the way that it was in 1992 as you could imagine right well it's a process that only takes a month to get done but we've we've had parts on order for 16 months in order to do this one process that that that's going to take a relatively small amount of time um the original budget on it was about 388 000 we've spent about 76 000 so far uh but we've got 312 000 once they start which should be in a couple days and we should be finished by about the 15th of july uh and what this is going to do is it's going to give give us better filtration plus it's going to allow us to have more flow go through it so that when we get into the hurricane season we can allow more water to go through with less um potential for there being any sort of substandard water that goes through the plant so it's a very you know very worthwhile uh project that y'all have allowed us to uh to move forward with third one that i want to look at is courtland water plant 11 um this is a a water plant that uh is off of courtland and fort smith and typically our wells for this plant are closer to the blue springs basin and one of the things that the blue springs basin prohibits us from doing is withdrawing a lot of water which affects our consumptive use permit our cup so so we got approval through this uh approximately two and a half years ago well actually it was longer than that was about four years ago to put two wells on roland uh which is by that courtland water plant so that we can allow water to be withdrawn further away from the blue springs basin and allow us to abandon wells that are closer to the blue springs basin so so we originally sunk wells 41 and 42 on roland that was one project which was completed some time ago and this project is the outfitting of those wells connecting those wells to our water plant on courtland so that we can then begin the process of using them and then also abandoning those wells that are closer to blue springs um so the impact that this has on us is it takes pressure off of saint john's to further reduce any capacity in our cup that we have making it so that we can allow for for any sort of progress and any sort of demands that we have through development for commercial or residential budget for this was about two two point seven million dollars uh we're about 92 percent complete on this we should be completed by uh the last week of june of this year we're just simply testing the water at this point and making sure that that all of the the tie-ins and all of the bacteriological samples pass through dep standards before we're able to actually implement it uh next one i want to talk about is lift station uh this is in the way cross area um this project is to rehabilitate or basically create a new uh lift station in the same area as the old lift station on way cross um the reason for this is the the lift station was very old it was actually small uh it only had two pumps this was this is one of our master lift stations where most of the sanitary sewer in that area flows from maybe two or three other sanitary sewer lift stations into this one as a master station so if you look at the picture up here the red box that's at the very top left hand corner is where the actual lift station is part of this project was to purchase the house that was next door to it which has already been demolished so that we can build the new lift station in that site uh put a facade up and make it so that it doesn't cause any blight in the neighborhood and then also increase that capacity that we have um we'll also be building a what's called a grinder lift station which is down in the cul-de-sac at the bottom left hand of the screen uh that will make it so that we don't have any sort of overflows in the houses that are in that cul-de-sac so they'll feed into the grinder station the grinder station will then feed up into the master lift station and it will be able to to take all the the existing capacity plus potentially any new capacity that might be in that area uh the budget for it was about 1.5 million uh clearwater solutions is our our partner on this they've already begun doing all of the electrical as well as the the bore of the uh the pipe that goes from the cul-de-sac up to the lift station so they're anticipating they're about six percent complete and they're looking to be completed with the whole entire project in january of 2026 our water meter replacements we've been talking about this one for an awful long time uh 36 000 water meters that we undertook about two years ago to replace all 36 000 of them in the entire community um big undertaking a lot of anxiety that we had lots of uh of small little issues that we had but i'm proud to say that at this point uh we have 1900 meters left to be replaced uh we're looking to be completed with those by the 30th of july uh and be completed with that that you know that whole entire switch out of every meter that we've got uh everything from the the residential to the commercial meters as well the benefit that we're getting out of this is we're actually being able to show what our true consumptive use is uh and we're we're billing the the correct amount of water excuse me mr parish can we please make sure everybody in the audience has their cell phones on silence thank you so the the accuracy of the meters is increased so we know the the water that's actually coming out of the plants is matching the amount of water that we're billing uh to the consumers uh it's also another piece for a consumptive use permit where the st john's water management district says hey y'all are doing the the the processes that y'all need to do and we trust that the amount of water that you're withdrawing and that we're allowing you to withdraw is accurate um that's that's one of those pieces that they have to ensure that uh that the amount of water we we don't show as much loss of water between those two so they're very happy with that i actually speak with st john's uh every month uh about this project they're very uh very interested to to see what our our numbers are so it's it's it's extremely important uh for us we're about 95 complete uh total budget for installation on this was about 1.9 million dollars uh and like i said we should be completed by the the 30th of this month so you know kind of the theme of what we're showing is we have some we've got a lot of projects that are going on some are in various stages of being completed some of them are brand new some of them we're closing up there's always projects that we're going through in different iterations and these projects take a lot of a lot of time and also a lot of of planning to make sure that we don't disrupt the public as we're going through these um then you know we're 95 completed on our our meter installs but that's not the end of the project the next project is the the advanced metering infrastructure the tower network that we that we talked about where we go from from those automated automated meter readers that we have now where we replace the meters and the uh the technicians have to drive through the neighborhood and get the readings so they're no longer hand typing them in they're actually going to them through automatic meter reading but that's that's reactive we don't know what the number is until that month of water use has already happened so the ami network makes it so that it's real time there's a series of 16 towers in the area where they ping every single water meter and it tells us within the hour how much water has been used so that's the next phase for the water meter project so we we finish one part up and we start the next phase of it so this project here um we're about five percent complete because most of the work on this is not done by city staff our our partner with ferguson and senate they do all of the work they're the ones that are going out and they're getting all of the towers and you know making sure that we have you know correct coverage for all of the the water meters out there and uh they've assured us that by the 30th of september that our network will be up and running so we will have all of them pinging at the same time instead of then even having a meter reader having to even drive around the entire city to get the number so that moves us from a reactive world of we don't know what's going on until that meter is ready to be read for the bill to every hour we know what's going on with it so whenever somebody has a leak there's reporting that spits out that says hey for the last 24 hours you've had continuous usage so it allows us to be proactive with the with the residents to say hey these are issues that you may be experiencing at your individual residence so um so that one's a a major milestone for us to to go through on the water meter side um lift stations for for uh for scada uh approximately two years ago we started and we were we were approved to uh upgrade our infrastructure at our lift stations we have 55 lift stations out there and those lift stations the sanitary sewer comes from the home through gravity to a lift station that lift station then pumps the sanitary sewer to the wastewater treatment plant these lift stations uh you know up until this two you know project two years ago whenever the there was any sort of issue with a station uh it was about a 27 minute response before that alarm made it to the on-call person uh what would happen is these 55 stations if there was an issue it was going around and it was polling every single one of those 55 stations so by the time it got around to it it may be 27 minutes this project that we started two years ago took it from 27 minutes to real time so now whenever there's any sort of issue as soon as a pump comes on we can actually see it on scada when there's an alarm when there's a high level whenever that that there's any sort of issue with it it's all in real time um we started it about about two years ago uh currently we have three stations that are left and there are three stations that are very very low flow we kind of prioritize these of course master lift stations first schools second high flow areas third and then you know other ones so we have three lift stations remaining they do about one lift station per week so we should be completed with this by the 30th of june uh about 822 thousand dollars of investment about thirty four thousand dollars remaining and what this does is it keeps us from having any sort of public health issues from having any sort of overflow from sanitary sewers so amazing project uh that as that one is finishing up the next one is scada for the water plants and the wastewater plants so as you can see we we kind of keep the ball rolling but we split it up so that we we see advantages and return on our investment before the the complete end of the project uh the scada system wide upgrade as i said is for the water and wastewater plants uh we've spent about four to five years specking this out as far as looking at every single uh what's called io for the plants every single pump motor plc so that it's very complex and very robust so the the bid that we received on it uh they can actually do the work with the with the constraints and the the the contract that we have um it basically replaces all the communication at the water and the wastewater plants so not only are we more responsive reactive and able to to make sure that that what's going on the plan the plants is is is appropriate for our inputs but it also increases our security uh making sure that no one else has access uh through any sort of uh malfeasance or anything outside of our network of being able to access ours as well uh there's been in the past couple years there's been a couple of utilities that have had some issues with that that's part of what this does too it closes any sort of issues gives us uh better portability and the the the usage that we're doing and what our operators are doing each day it's a big project uh we don't expect to see the completion of this until about june of next year it's about 3.3 million dollars of a project as well but uh but a lot of of like i said thought and planning that goes into this some of our projects uh we may we may be going through them six seven years in advance and getting them in front of you so that we can get that infrastructure in place before we see any actual growth you've got to have the you've got to have the infrastructure in place before we have anything so it's these projects that we're making sure the the city is prepared for if we have any sort of uh of need for it uh down the road six seven years we look at some of our planning outlook uh 25 years in advance i know it's really hard to kind of look and judge what's going on 25 years from now in the utility and the public works but those are some of the the visions that we look for to make sure that that infrastructure is in place and that you're able to make the the wise decisions that you do uh before we get to those points so um that's uh that's all of the the the presentation that i have uh we may have some expansions that we have on some of the the public works side but once we once we wrap that up i'd be happy to answer any questions for you good evening mayor commissioners um i wanted to add something that jim was talking about the meters the new meters in the end the third phase of that will be a portal for the customers to go in and look at their water usage real time um it's going to we got to get the communication network up first before we can actually implement that so that we should be uh start implementing around the first of the year you know january um and i am really proud of getting these meters finally done it's it's been a long road um and jim is right in the beginning there was there was a lot of uh we were thinking a lot of issues but it's actually turned out very well we assigned uh an employee to that project that's pretty much all he did and he's uh dale has been able to keep us uh out of trouble with that project we've had very minimal complaints you know throughout the process so i just wanted to uh to let you all know that and i know that we've talked about that customer portal um you know for quite a while once all this is done um also we'll be able to go in there we have to add some more features but we'll be able to go in there and it'll actually send a customer a text or an email hey you got high water usage for the last 24 hours or so so it's it's going to be a really big improvement go back a little bit since i went through my stuff at lightning speed for everybody the stormwater projects want to let you know that we have all the materials on order are already in stock ready to to implement these projects will include piping structures maybe a catch basin an outfall structure of some type the one over there dorchester and tulsa we're going to re-establish the pond itself that you'll see kind of in the center there we've already got a preliminary permit determination that we don't need any additional approval from the district but we'll finalize that but we're going to re-establish those banks and hopefully get a little bit more volume over there and tie that into some of the other work that we've already done in the area as far as emergency piping and getting that buried in the ground menzie forgot to tell you our should be here our physical piece of equipment that you all graciously purchased for us for stormwater should be here the end of september first part of october we already have one staff member who is going down for training and then before we get it and then shortly thereafter we'll be sending more staff members down to be trained with the menzie folks on the proper operations i by no means know how to use this i'm sure that some of these younger technical people that do the gaming and stuff it should be really easy for them to undertake that but we want to make sure that they understand how to use the equipment that they're safe our residents are safe and that we use it to its best ability and we will continue to use the contractor until we get to that point that you know we can take over everything that's being done out there so that we can keep up with everything once again we talked a little bit about the sandbags i think this is going to be a great improvement for the city also maybe affords us to set up sandbags distribution places throughout the city at other locations depending upon the need and where we think a storm might hit us when we do have some pretty good ideas the way mother nature has her historical impacts to deltona we kind of can pinpoint some of those areas once again the milling and restriping it's a long list by no means does it cover all of our roads we have nearly 500 miles of roadway in deltona a lot of those roads are from the 60s and 70s and i can tell you that's old because i was born in the 60s so some of these roads are very very old and once again we try to be as cost beneficial as we can in looking overall looking at a at a globally where are we and what roads can we do from an economy of scales that let's not remobilize them in a year from now if they're going to be on the list right now it's again sidewalks for those that aren't familiar the city originally had a plan to put sidewalks within a half mile then a mile then two mile of all of our school systems prior commissions have had had us deviate from that so we already have done half a mile and i believe we've already got them within one mile and so now what we're looking on is that connectivity if you will where do we have some of those missing links that it makes sense to bring those in and also looking at some of the areas that we're getting some calls regarding speeding and other concerns with residents and you know how do we how do we maximize the money that's allocated for us once again the budget of 250 000 does not do a whole lot of sidewalk installation and we also have repairs and replacements that we have to undertake as well questions that i can address now or things i need to look into to get back with you commissioner abila basquist and commissioner lally thank you uh mayor let me find um i have questions for jim and i have questions uh phyllis on the flooding projects um the uh outcome i've read the um the reports and stuff at home and the elcom boulevard lake helen um i read that city is um working together with the county um you know coming up to resolve the flooding on those areas um and i know i forget how much it costs us to bring in a person to you know reevaluate or that is the county uh throwing in something to those funds or is it just a city paying for it at this point the county has been a partner with talking with us about this originally we thought this might be just a strictly an in-house type project we've since determined it's not an in-house project it's going to have to be designed engineered and permitted that's a cost of about i want to say it was fifty thousand dollars give or take for our quote in our task authorization um i still think that the county should participate this is a lake helen osteen road is their road that's the reason why i'm asking you but of course as you know the phone calls don't go to the county when there's a little event and there was one there i think it was last friday actually it was at the public's and i went around and i was like oh there's a whole lot of water standing at this intersection i did go back an hour later and it was gone so the area does perk very well we just need to find a means and a method in which to get it whether it's down to lake foy or down to some other structures or maybe we need to look at having a retention pond maybe on l cam somewhere so my other question is the still with the flooding projects um i didn't see anything any plans for lake gleason um which causes a lot of the flooding in that neighborhood in district three or did i miss something that you uh was part of the projects that you mentioned no lake gleason has never come up with homes that were flooded we do have control of the outfall of lake gleason that is one of our basins of the four that we have that we have control over so water does flow from lake gleason through some other areas some wetlands and then eventually gets to lake monroe doesn't mean that there isn't nuisance flooding in that area but the homes have never been impacted to the best of my knowledge i have no record of any homes having been impacted so it's just these projects that we're working on are only projects that affects the homes because i know that when we had the last hurricane i went around driving looking for lake gleason park and i couldn't find it because the only thing i could see was the top metal of the swings right yes i understand that the lake rises up and the water will get on the properties and it does impact the rear of the properties including our park itself but we did not have any actual flooding of structures out there the homes themselves were not impacted we had a lot of impacts with the roadways where we have water that ponds out there and those would be areas that we can look into but once again with the funding that we have we have to be we look at them as are we having home flooding which is a high priority we don't want homes to flood is this really considered nuisance flooding which if it's in your yard or in your driveway or out on your street it's more than a nuisance and we understand that right and i'm bringing it up because um even though their homes were not affected because the uh water never reached into their uh driveway or the garage but they were somewhat affected because their cars were small and they couldn't drive out right because the you know the street was flooded the drive was was flooded and if they drove their car out the car was going to be flooded uh and it's like a cul-de-sac that i'm referring to i forget the name of that road i know which one you're speaking of and we just did a partial project down there um i can see the cul-de-sac and right and it has like a little run on the side that yes leads into the lake and um i know that the people that live on that lake maybe yeah i think it is yeah the people that live next to that um the side were using were blocking the runoff so i don't know if that was the cause of a lot of the flooding but there is a lot of issues going on there because they're sort of sort of like an island yes border by you know lake on three sides so i needed to bring that up that's the uh stormwater projects of course you know i saw that the clover leaf was worked on as far as the stormwater projects and so was lake gleason but um this last hurricane they still were they still flooding so is that going to be looked into after the fact we can certainly put it on the list and see what options we have available okay and i'm just going through my questions um also lombardi as i mentioned i think in one of the previous commission meetings you know there is a lot of flooding there caused by on the right of ways i don't know any and lately the last time did go on the road so if we could take a look at that one as well it's just that i'm surprised there's nothing listed for district three so i feel like the stepchild here well that certainly was not the intention and yeah i can go back to our master stormwater list because a lot of these projects are listed there and it's part of the master list of 50 million dollars so and then on the stormwater funding um it shows that 3.5 million was for improvement and it was going to or was used to um request for report for residential and commercial properties the benefits from this grant did we use funds for residential and commercial properties for that 3.5 million or is that something that you're looking into which grant was that ma'am i'm sorry it's under stormwater funding um i'd have to look into that okay i'm drawing a blank on which grant that might have been okay because um if it was used uh for uh residential and commercial i will i mean i would like to um get a report of the residential and the commercial properties that were um the funds were used for and my last question for phil is this hazard mitigation grant program i know that it says that um and you mentioned it today about um applications that were submitted and there was a mention of seven applications submitted on behalf of private property owners um and it was a mix of our housing department other non-profit organizations and stuff like that these seven application these uh these are home properties in deltona that were fixed with those funds they are applications that we submitted on behalf of property owners um two were individual applications and the other ones were bundled up for a total of seven residential properties that could benefit whether it was going to be a home elevation an acquisition demolition and rebuild or a total demolition and acquisition and those homeowners take their money and move somewhere else to build a home or maybe find a property these are homes that had no other cost but to uh get um torn down or yeah these were homes that were um have repetitive loss that we've documented not necessarily through uh fema and the repetitive loss because not everybody carries flood insurance if they don't own their home they don't have to carry insurance and there won't be a repetitive loss um history there but we do know um one over on tulsa we know one on riverhead we know one um i'm just trying to blank on the other ones but these were homes that had repetitive loss some of them had just gotten their homes repaired from ian and just finished up and milton hit them and they were back starting over again okay thank you phyllis that was it for you thank you so much you guys always do a great job i have a question for jim i know that um one of the questions glenn came up and answered which was the software for residents um to check in on their own but yes you know you said it's coming right yes because a lot of residents have been asking me um is that available right now that the city purchased the software yet so i'm glad that you answered that question no we have not purchased that yet like i said that and glad glenn alluded to that's going to be phase three of the project um you have to make sure that that all of the meters can be read first so we get the meters replaced then you get the network up and then the portal uh can activate on all of those 36 500 meters uh that is a very small portion of the project and it's it's a very minute part of the total overall cost of it as well um it's it's not even a a cost that is uh over any of the threshold that we have even without coming to the commission for once all these meters are installed that means that everyone is going to get their bill at the same time it's not going to be cut off like it is well they won't we will shrink down the amount of what we call they call them books uh we have a lot of different books which are different areas of the city uh we will reduce the number of books dramatically so there will be more consistency throughout but it won't be all at the same time as you can imagine uh getting out 36 000 bills in one week to everybody and then having nothing to do for the rest of the month makes it so that it's it's it's very very chaotic to get all that done but you can split it up into four or five books have things a little bit more uh cohesive and and a little bit better streamlined process so we will be reducing them down a a dramatic amount but they all won't be at one time but they'll be more consistent though the other question i have is i i'm i'm guessing it's a lift station uh again district three behind the old fire station i didn't mention i mean i didn't hear anything mentioned about that one is that behind the old fire station on lombardi of lombardi is there any work being done on that or is is um there's not a lift station oh you're talking about the water plant yes uh yeah there's a there's a water plant there there's water plant five and six there uh upper and lower lombardi uh those are are constantly being uh you know being monitored they monitor them every single day uh there was an issue with upper lombardi uh and that's one of those wells that we're actually taking out of service which is closer to the blue springs basin and replacing it with like the wells that i spoke of earlier 42 and 43 um so so we're we're going to decommission that well but we're still using well number six which is which is down and um a little bit further down but we're not having any sort of issues with any water quality or anything at those wells are we going to when you um close it down are we going to have any water pressure problems on that area no ma'am we we have all of our water in the entire system is a looped system meaning that all of the pipes are interconnected throughout the 12 water plants that we have so that if you do have one water plant or two water plants go down in the system they all back each other up and make sure that the water pressure is maintained in the area so we we won't have any issues with with uh any sort of water pressure thank you appreciate your call commissioner lully for me i think it's phyllis okay thanks appreciate you um you know i think flooding and stormwater issues are you know like the top three issues that we hear from constituents at least in my end that and land use um i wanted to ask about um courtland park because um you know we've had conversations with them and we have this this issue of this um i'm not going to use the s word today okay what was game and we we have a body of water um that has no outfall in it um and so as we know it stages up and i think this is sort of along uh commissioner vila vasquez's point as well uh you know this water stages up and in that particular case that's a new community and their um their recreational area uh is flooded out and then their mailbox area is flooded out and you know the you know the rest of the story um is what what could we possibly do for that instance i know we've talked about trying to move that water toward lake hutchinson before is there anything that we can do um to solve that issue um because i i know there's a lot of and we've all experienced stormwater challenges in our new developments but this is one where it's not just you know water that sits in a dry palm when it shouldn't this has actually risen up and and and maybe not flooded homes yet but gone into some of the community's assets well as you know and assuming everybody does um there's some issues with their ponds they do not function as design engineered and permitted um try to work with the engineer of record um that firm has been bought out so um we're kind of at a disadvantage now with the folks that we kind of started those conversations with i don't even believe the engineer of record is with the new firm but regardless um we are drafting up a letter to send to the district to put the district on notice with them um to see if at that point then we can start forcing a little more proactive involvement by the engineer of record and the developer and see where that goes um the design still is the only one that we think is a viable option is to take that pond that you're talking about that is behind their um the the the tot lot in the mailbox area and go down to the south to lake hutchinson actually we connect first into a pond that they have on the other side of the trail and then eventually discharge it to lake hutchinson okay so we're we're i guess we'd say we're in the middle of the process of trying to identify a solution we could say yes sir okay great um i i thought the sandbag um changes were great um i think moving the location is probably good because i think when a hurricane's coming um where it was before in my district you had sort of this confluence of sandbag traffic the gas station traffic now and then the people going to get the bread and milk or you know at the grocery store so um i think that central location is better and i guess you said too you might be able to target it based on the needs um as well right yeah very similar to what we did um in prior events we took like a couple of pallets out there with maybe about 300 sandbags we had somebody monitored because we know we need to document that they are going to city residents in order to validate our reimbursement to fema um but i think we have that opportunity because we can get them prepared in advance um we don't have a place in which to store them right now but if we prepare them now hopefully let me phrase that i'm hoping we prepare them and we don't need them and we just throw some tarps over them so that they'll be safe for the next year um that's my plan but we can certainly stage some in different areas i think we did over off of riverhead one time um we did do the setup over there on day road where folks could come and do the sandbagging but we can find some different locations great um we have um as everyone knows hurricane season june 1st um do you think we're positioned better now than we have been in the past few years um on the topic of the menzie um you know we have the new pumping station um near my house uh for smith and monument you think we're we're better positioned um and continuing to improve in in the hopes that we reduce some of our incidences of flooding i think we're better positioned um certainly um we never know what the impact is going to be from a storm um unfortunately and nicole and milton seem to focus in the same general area um that doesn't mean that the next storm isn't going to go hit somewhere else or yes we probably have seen some issues but we haven't seen them in recent years um but some of the activities that we've undertaken as far as getting these um emergency pipes in the ground that certainly frees up your staff um they're monitoring everything out there we do have control of the three basins um not the teresa basin as far as the outfall we are working on an application for an emergency field authorization in advance of the storm um it's a little difficult to document that now and demonstrate that because the lakes are coming down they haven't come down i think to the satisfaction of some of the residents that live on the lakes because they do have a heightened sense of of insecurity that any little bit of rain something might happen and you know that's that's a fair position for them to be in but we're doing everything that we can um you know we are as ready as we can be we have pre-positioned some of our vendors um for pumps that we might need materials we might need whether you know it's one of our pipe vendors whether it's one of our pump vendors we've already started our conversations with them all of our equipment is being serviced right now um so we should be able to if we have an event we know we're going to deploy equipment and get that set out there and our fleet department is taking great care of all of our equipment so i think we're we're better than we were i can't say that we won't have any issues because if i told you that that would just be disingenuous 24 inches of rain or whatever ian was will uh give us some surprises um uh final question on the topic of the road resurfacing when we looked at your list and the money that's um allocated for it hopefully this makes sense are there roads that were not on that list that have a pci that would would necessitate resurfacing and there's just not enough money yes there are um and of course we always know that some roads start to deteriorate the pci was done in 2018 we'd like to get that redone as well um to see where we are um but we also address roads you know some of the roads that you've brought to our attention um some of the commissioners have brought some roads and we get out there we take a look at it if it's something we can do the repair because we do have equipment and the ability to do that we will do so um but if we can if there's something that needs to rise to that list then that's what we'll do okay thank you i really appreciate the updates great job guys and girls commissioner colwell we're on the subject of flooding the uh blue heron lake um there are some homes that we're going to purchase around that area are they on both sides of fort smith road or we're just on the one side um we've not purchased any homes in that area since i've been with the city we're looking to purchase might be referring to at the bottom of the hill also originally there's a few homes there were a couple homes that the residents yeah but currently over in fort smith there were two homes that were flooded two homes that were flooded um they did want to make application through hazard mitigation um but once that transfer transferred over to the to the division of emergency management in tallahassee for elevate florida um they decided it was too complicated of a process for them um as i said the downside to that change is there's no advocate whether from the city standpoint one of our consultants or people that are very familiar with the programs and how to present an application for the most opportunity of a positive outcome when that area flooded did it flood across the road also across fort smith yes are we looking into resolving that issue yes that's part of the projects that i mentioned uh the blue heron part um drysdale park we're looking at um the drysdale pond that is behind those homes to see if we can expand that pond in any way and get a little bit more capacity we've also put in the emergency piping so that we can turn the pumps on and we don't have to worry about running pipe and then turning the pump on there were some concerns about the two developments that were built up on the hill above that do you feel that that contributed to the flooding in the area has that been resolved i understand there were some pond issues um i see i think you're speaking about lake baton and then hampton oaks hampton oaks hampton oaks um we do know that their ponds also are not functioning as design engineered and permitted um and we are once again similar with courtland park just not quite as far in the process with either one to try to get some compliance once again we're working on a draft letter that'll come from the city um to the district advising them of the problems that we have there has been some improvements that were approved by the city of deltona and staff that are no longer here um that we can't quantify the volume of water that is being taken from the area down to blue heron park and then further down downstream to drysdale into the ponds on l cam because they're underdrained systems exfiltration system type things and we can't quantify that volume but if you go to some of the structures the water is flowing all the time and the ponds right now might be dry and you're like that's water that's continually flowing on the uh the twin lake we're talking about putting a pump in there in the twin lakes is that the one that's in the development hoa development yes it is sir and which part which basin is that a part of that is part of the gleason basin and is there flooding upstream i know commissioner vasquez mentioned that there was in gleason park and stuff there was flooding um rising water levels around the lake there is that the only lake that is affected by that that basin right there is no um discharge from the city of deltona into um sweet gum and i forget where the other lake is in twin lakes i apologize um but we were thinking to be able to harvest some of the water to augment the rapid infiltration basin for reclaimed is if we could put a pump there comes to our property goes to an existing pump station for storm water and then we can take it up there um it wasn't intended as a private development improvement it would just be an intended consequence of that is they may benefit and not have some of the flooding that they've had in the past on the sidewalks we're dedicating four hundred sixteen thousand dollars to sidewalk uh new sidewalks or sidewalk replacements also new sidewalks and sidewalk replacements are we addressing the issue with the residents that are driving over the sidewalks and breaking them um i think i sent a picture to dock with a semi truck parked in the backyard um on several occasions and i know there's several sidewalks out there that are busted out are we spending the tax dollars money to pay that to replace those or are we going after the residents for this if we can document when we're called out to look at something whether it's called out to us we see it however we find out about it if we can document that somebody has driven over that and we can have evidence to that we are trying to work very closely with code compliance to make make it become a code case so that then we can recoup our money well code compliance answer to me always is if we don't physically see them do it then we can't hold them responsible when there's a camper sitting right on the other side of the sidewalk how they get it there right i think we can as public works and traffic operations and field operations um we see things maybe a little bit differently and um we're going to push the envelope because you're absolutely right our citizens should not have to be paying for the repairs to sidewalks because somebody is driving over them without the benefit of a secondary driveway or some type of formally approved means of ingress and egress i know the um we talked about a mid pump station sometimes on the teresa basin are we on hold on that because of the teresa basin study or should we be preemptive in moving forward on some type of pumping i'm sure we're all convinced that would definitely solve some of the issues yeah we're still working with um adura who's doing the teresa basin um study for us um we're still looking at different opportunities on where we might be able to find some funding for that as well that's all i have thank you all right one more question for the water department real quick um oh i'm sorry pardon me um i did want to remind everybody um that through transform 386 before the second submittals that we just did last week there was an interim submittal that we did um but that was strictly for basin studies and of course we were awarded 900 000 approximately 300 000 for each of the three basins so um the county is taking the lead on that on behalf of us we've given them our scope of work and what our end product is and it's we're looking for a very similar product not quite the extent that the teresa basin is because they're not as big but similar to what we're doing for the teresa basin study um jim real quick yes the um the expected completion date of phase three of the water meter replacement what is the expected time frame we're expected to be done right around the the same amount of time of whenever phase two ends which is that ami portion which should be somewhere around the uh september 30th october 1 somewhere right around that time frame as i said that's a very minuscule portion of the project and they're saying that that getting it implemented uh the the largest hurdle that we have is just getting staff trained on how we can train our end users on it it's it's really something that they're going to be working on uh after the next two to three months once we get further into phase two we'll then get with them and give them authorization for phase three so that all of that kind of rolls together around the september 30th october 1 date so our expectation is to be completed by the end of the year yes end of the fiscal year yes thank you one one last thing that i just wanted to kind of build upon um and i don't mean to be speaking for for phyllis but one of the things that we've spoke about in the past regarding their dura study is one of the things whenever we try to get permitted things such as the the mid-basin study or mid-basin pump station done is that there's modeling done and before we can go before a governing body like the st john's water management district they're going to want to see some of those modeling numbers so the the ability for us to get things approved through some of those bodies uh helps greatly whenever we do have that information from from a dura so so things like the mid-basin pump station going to be more likely to get approved once we have the the information from the study all right thank you thank you commissioner hallinson thank you um i'll make this one kind of quick uh the fort smith home that floods frequently the one that used to be owned by the city has there been any discussion on the city potentially taking that back given that it was purchased because it was a flooding home they'd intended to demolish it and then they somehow it ended up back in the hounds of a private owner and now it floods fairly frequently and the poor people who live there are frequently dealing with that i am familiar with the information i was not here when that that happened right it was a while ago and um i think there was a terminology it was used as a katrina home uh when katrina hit in uh in new orleans that some folks came down and were able to stay there um so i mean i'd have to look into the history on that who the grant came from what the conditions of the grant were and um see if there's anything that can um can be done to mitigate that and possible possibly purchase them out right and then the bond for hampton oaks are we still holding that or have we released that because i know that they're done building the homes now we have a partial bond for phase two yes okay so they've received some back yes do we have any sort of idea as to where those ponds stand as far as the repair work we don't because the contractor has not been forthcoming and telling us what they're doing that's part of the problem unfortunately yes yeah and that's out of that's outside of our control so um other than that thank you glenn thank you jim thank you phyllis for everything that you've done this listing has been something that we've asked for for a couple months and it's really important for the residents to be able to see this information so thank you for putting it together thank you for bringing it to us and thank you for just kind of shedding the light on what is actually happening stormwater and utilities are so important and that is a huge focus for us so i really appreciate it thank you so much and that's all i have thank you i got a like four or five questions uh can we make sure we just all get the list of the roads and sidewalks again please absolutely possible um this might be a gym question what's going to happen once uh phase three is accomplished to the actual people the meter readers okay so because i hate for us to have them out of a job because we know absolutely not so knowledge so there's there's there's there's different uh maintenance items that that have to be done uh that all fall around the meters and one of the things that we've spoke about and that that y'all have approved for us are those residential dual check backflows remember the ones that we said where we we don't want that happening that is the next phase for for the meter technicians once all of this is in place they no longer have to read meters they're going to be going to all the individual homes and they're going to be putting in those residential dual check backflows so we're able to to utilize staff in a different manner to be more proactive i'm all about being proactive and that's one of the things that our staff is moving greater towards of being more proactive instead of reactive so those meter techs are still going to be in high demand for us to uh to make sure that the residents are served served well great um the station on fort smith and monument i know it was it was something was asked about it i'm sorry i was trying to get more water um did we figure that out because i know it the last couple of the storms it's it's flooded or it's been underwater there's been an issue i know we've had issues putting some type of portable generator there are we doing anything to fix it or we are we've replaced everything out there so we are good to go yes we're good to go okay does that one have its own generator now i mean i hate for a certain commissioner generator but we have the ability to basically run one out there plugged in without any difficulty even i think i can do that as long as i can back straight in cool i have to turn around a lot we're out of luck is it too much though and i don't mean to interrupt you phyllis is it too much to ask for future stations can we not get those things integrated into the stations i mean like a a permanent generator yeah like where it's for that specific station with the applications we just made for hmgp originally for our our pump stations we pose putting in permanent generators in that program that's not a very well received thing so that's why we did the bypass because it's common sense well i don't know the reason but it just doesn't seem to it it doesn't pass the muster if you will and we wanted to at least have some benefit and a bypass pump does provide that as well so i'm looking at staff going out there in the middle of the storm because i've been one of those that sleep here too and it's dangerous there's things flying around the last thing we need is for certain winds to get down to a certain level so they're actually out there trying to get out and they're struggling to put a generator in there and and it's a it's a risk factor that you have residents that have to worry about if sewage or whatever is going into if we can if we can figure out a very constructive way i don't know if uh 365 can be one of those one of those things uh to maybe start implementing them for stormwater for for hurricanes for whatever i think that's the way to go mayor if i may i'm sorry please yeah you know i miss your face by the way i like i like to talk y'all know that everybody up there knows that um but we're we're putting something in budget for next year for skata for the stormwater pump stations also so we'll be able to sit at eoc like we do here with the utility we'll be able to monitor the levels we'll be able to turn pumps on and off we'll be able to turn generators are automatically going to come on the permanent generators will automatically come on so we're trying to be proactive with the storm to make sure that we get stuff staged out ahead of time and some of the bypass pumps that phyllis was talking about those will be going on those pump stations they'll be set up with skata they will have float system in there our transducers for the levels and they will automatically come on if the station starts rising doesn't matter if the power goes off or not those pumps will come on so we're looking at different things that you like lift stations and jim was talking earlier about way cross lift station lift station number seven we're putting two fail safes there a generator and a permanent bypass pump so we have the capability of going back and putting these bypass pumps in because a lot of times when you get an electrical storm what happens is in the electrical panel a something can get hit in there and a phase monitor anything like that cause the power to be out well even if you have a generator on and it comes on it's not going to pump because there's something in that panel with the bypass pumps it'll come on and run no matter if you got electricity or not because it has a 24 volt system backing it up for this skata so sorry to add to that question this might be a silly question but forgive me because i i don't know the answer to it right are we are we having scheduled testing of the stations just to make sure that by the time a hurricane does right prepare prepare for the worst or however the saying goes so by the time a hurricane does come we're not caught by surprise that oh look the station's not working stations are exercised on a regular basis and there is somebody at or i can speak specifically for the pump stations for stormwater there's somebody at those stations maybe not every day but that is their entire job is to go out there and make sure things are working accordingly so do and i know that fisher plan is always a tough go ahead excuse me mr mayor on the utility side because because the utilities have to function 24 hours seven days a week 365 they are storm ready every single day we take take all precautions to make sure that they are running they are functioning they're monitored through 24 7 skata and then also they're also visited three days a week monday wednesday and friday every single week to to physically put eyes on everything to make sure that all of those lift stations are uh are you know in good physical shape uh the water plants are visited every single day there's a minimum amount of time that we have to spend at every water plant and the wastewater plants are uh monitored uh minimum 16 hours a day so there's someone that's actually on on site there from 6 a.m and you know until till all of the shifts are over so there's a lot of of uh of you know precautionary work that that goes into into the utility side to make sure that whenever there is a storm that comes that we we have proper amount of chemicals we've got proper fuel for the generators that everything is taken care of and we do that day in and day out there's a few small things that we do whenever we know that there's a storm that's imminent but we do take precautions uh you know as a as a normal day for those utility stations so so the big elephant in the room is the fisher plant right um planning for the best preparing for the worst if we were to get hit with two storms like the last two we've had how how would the fisher plant fare fair well whenever we when hurricane ian came through i was physically on site at at the fisher plant and the fisher plant functioned with no issues other than there on the there was uh we have three pumps there that we call our master pump station that after all of the flow goes through the treatment processes and held and it is held in that pond it moves from the pond to the rib site the only issue that we had during hurricane ian is that we couldn't get the water out of the pond fast enough we could process it through the plant fast enough even with you know 24 inches of rain in 24 hours um we couldn't get out of the pond fast enough so now what we've got and the reason we found was there was actually turtles that because of the amount of flow that was coming through turtles were actually in the foot the foot valves of the pump so we have screening on the on the intake structure now so that that's been avoided so that mitigates that we also have gone through all the pumps one of the pumps we're waiting to come back right now so that we've had them all service before storm season gets here um the the ability for for fisher to process the water um i don't think is is more of an issue of where can we put the water that's that's the issue that we really have at hand of saying once we have all of this flow that's coming through the sanitary sewer system what do we do with the reclaim because no one's no one's taking reclaim the it's it's easier whenever you take all that flow when you disperse it throughout the entire city but if no one is turning their irrigation systems on because the there there's there's no need for the water and the rain sensor says hey don't let the irrigation system come on then our only recourse at that point is to put it to the rib site and once the rib site gets inundated and they're not perking anymore because of the groundwater level we then have to have another place to put it which we do we have backup strategies with volusia county to be able to send it to some of their spots uh coming up in the near future uh as we propose more of the the um the rehab of fisher is also with effluent disposal which is one of the things that fdp requires that we have is enough wet weather discharge currently we do have enough wet weather discharge but in extreme cases we have to be able to manage that well uh so as far as if we had two back-to-back storms if we had two back-to-back storms of of uh ian we're we're all we're all doomed um but you know throughout throughout time throughout history we haven't had much issue yeah sorry the other thing is we can manipulate valves with the lift stations and send more flow out to the eastern if we had a problem at fisher we can send it out there or vice versa some of the stuff from eastern can come to fisher since we've made that latest upgrade expansion it gives us more room at the eastern and then once we get these upgrades done the advanced waste treatment for fisher it's going to make a big difference there too have we figured out some of the roads by fisher by i think what's normac that's in district three that area regardless of how many inches of rain we get it tends to to literally flood out uh not necessarily the houses but those streets and they get pretty pretty deep where where is this by um where the other what is it the other lift station is close to the former mayor's house that whole road nordello i'm sorry i called it normac by nordello that that whole neighborhood those couple of blocks they they flood pretty bad how we figured something yes because most of that water will go down to the nordello pump station which we have next to the former mayor's house and then south of that i think it's oslo and a couple other streets they were inundated as well because that drainage retention area on nordello it filled up so we did that was one of the areas that we actually buried all the piping it was also one of the areas where a resident thought it would be appropriate to go and destroy what we had above ground on not once but two different occasions so hopefully now we can send that out we're interconnected with the county on doyle road as long as they have the capacity to take it we can send water that way as well so there is a plan there right right yes okay uh last question is um have we reached out to the county i've been literally talking about this i probably tumble in my face about getting sewer from low water to where the crunch fitness plaza is there's that little strip there and i know we've talked about even when the when the former city manager was here the interim um and i don't mean glenn because he's looking at me i mean mr chisholm uh we talked about um if we go a certain route it's going to cost the city a lot of money but if we are able to go through the county cra we might be able to get the county to put that portion of sewer in in and use some of their cra funds have we reached out to the county at all to see if we can get that ball rolling i believe and i'll have to double check i believe our finance department has been looking into that along with our economic development manager director excuse me about what is that agreement what does that cra say as far as the use of for um sanitary sewer and other infrastructure out there because i believe that would help with our economic development along with stormwater situations and and other stuff because that corner right there has had some standing water issues as well specifically by what i think it's a church right is that a church in that corner it used to be a bank yes yeah you kind of have those missing links if you will now is a medical thing yeah no are you talking about cra funds from the county because our funds cannot be used for for the county our city cra funds no i was told cannot be used for um sewer yes ma'am that is my understanding but i think they're working with the county or at least trying to start some dialogue with the county to maybe change that so that we can use it for that yeah okay that's uh i think that's all the questions i personally had um is there any public comment on this portion of the no no all right we're going to go ahead and move over to moratorium and uh we we have a discussion on the floor to try to bring in a moratorium and uh commissioner howington read what her her requests were so commissioner howington did you want to start the conversation sure um i still want to make the motion if the commission deems that as something that they would like to move forward with there has been discussion about sb 180 and you're correct it has not gone to the governor yet so we don't know what he's going to do however the reason that i feel that we need to move forward with this is because right now we're being inundated with applications we were going to discuss this at the prior meeting that ended up being canceled and right now we are in a precarious position because we don't know what's going to happen in tallahassee we are in the process of working on our impact fees as well as looking at land use and other things like that so right now adding a temporary moratorium based on the fact that we are working on bringing our infrastructure up to better standards we just sat here and listened to all the flooding problems we have all of the infrastructure problems that we have and these things are being worked on but it takes time and i just heard a lot of projects that are going to be completed within about the next six months to a year so the proposal for a temporary moratorium kind of puts that pause on projects i believe there were 23 to 26 that have been itemized as ones that a moratorium would not apply to that are already going through the process so this kind of puts a pause on anything new coming at us it gives our planning department a chance to catch their breath kind of get their feet under them and start to move forward with improvements and not just continually dealing with the new development that keeps getting thrown at us so with the moratorium that i've put together it does not impact commercial development i specifically excluded commercial industrial and business because we recognize that those are things that we need in this community so the intent here is not to impact any commercial business industrial that's wishing to come into the community is simply to ensure that we have our ducks in a row as a community and we can provide the infrastructure necessary for these new residents as we bring in these new homes so i can provide additional information as to my intent but you guys have had a chance to kind of read it over and see what i would like to propose after talking to the attorneys if 180 does pass as of july 1st given the fact that volusia county is a home rule county potentially have future opportunities with a moratorium that could be challenged against tallahassee taking away home rule from us and so if this is in place beforehand we could potentially look at partnering with other communities that have moratoriums in place today that also reside within home rule counties one being i believe edgewater has a moratorium in place right now so there are probably others across the state as well if that if sb 180 does not pass then we're still in the same situation where this gives us the opportunity to still continue to move forward get our infrastructure situations under control make sure that new development is paying their fair share towards the infrastructure that we need to support those homes looking at the rates that we're charging our fire service i mean 123 for a thousand square foot that is just outrageous how can we sustain adding new services for new residents if a house is only paying less than 200 to bring on fire services to service that one home so i'm pleading with people i'm hearing the residents they're asking for this they're asking for us to take a pause take a breath get the infrastructure under control and one of those areas that's been neglected is the impact fees given the fact that we do have an rfp out there now we are in the process of moving forward this gives us the opportunity to complete that process and given that it's temporary and has the two conditions once the impact fees come before us whether we accept deny whatever we so choose to do we can at least move forward for the community knowing that we have taken the right precautions to ensure our infrastructure is in place and can be sustainable in the future yes commissioner colwell then commissioner vila vasquez if we were able to bring this to the commission what is the time frame that we could do that i know next month's meeting is is quite packed can we get it on next month's meeting do we need a consensus to get that it was once this next meeting was already an agenda item to discuss but it may be moot if you're discussing it now so talk about the ordinance itself yeah so just to step back so you all are permitted under your rules at the workshop to give direction to the city attorney and city manager to do things right to draft ordinances to prepare things to bring them back for official action so you all can give us direction to do that um it does seem like the larger goal though is to pass this before july 1st which is when if sb 180 is not vetoed um it goes into effect so july 1st so i think that's the goal to position ourselves uh commissioner harrington correct me if i'm wrong to position ourselves that's correct okay so the way just a point of order really quick i don't mean to interrupt you and obviously you're the attorney i'm not but i keep hearing and i just i want to make sure we're not putting out misinformation because we we had our county chair telling everybody that june 1st this moratorium was going to take place and and we're not the moratorium but sb 180 was going to take place and it did it what the governor has what is it 10 days after he receives the bill to veto the bill so until he receives it it could be after july 1st and i know we have to under the state constitution they have to pass a budget by a certain time okay so i'm certainly not an expert on this and this is i was just looking at this while you all were in your other discussion but um my understanding and correct me if i'm wrong um is that the session just closed june 6th and according to the bill tracking it was given to the governor i believe already and there is that little flow chart right that that they put out um so when he gets it he can sign it uh he can veto it or if it goes without signature um it goes to the secretary of state and then it becomes effective either on the 60th day after adjournment with you know i'm not gonna i'm gonna butcher this sign d where they there's it's not restarted it's it's not you know we're gonna restart on july 1st or something or on a specified date or upon the governor's signature the bill specifies that it goes into effect on july 1st so if no action is taken at this point um it would either it would go into effect on july 1st or upon his signature or he could veto it and then it would go back and it would go two-thirds vote in each house to override the veto so in that little flow chart there are two paths that could become law and and still a path for veto but my understanding is that he has it it just he hasn't taken action he hasn't vetoed he hasn't signed and so it's in the there is still a path forward whether he vetoes or signs there's still a path forward for it and it does it would be an effective july 1st well wasn't it presented to him a while back and he needed to sign it by uh two fridays ago midnight and then it goes into the 60-day effect i'm i'm not prepared to answer that i'm happy to get you an answer on that um i just been looking at bill tracking like literally in real time during this meeting so i would i would need to get you an answer on that i can tell you commissioner as of last week i reached out to um one of his aides and they had still not received that bill that's the only reason i i was trying because i was trying to give some uh friendly uh advice to our county council or our county chair that maybe we shouldn't put dates until we know when he receives it so to be fair i don't know this whole week that's gone by had a death in the family i don't know if if he's received it or not but i know it's a certain amount of time after he receives a bill that he has to act on it according to the news i would need to get back to you on the impact of sp180 one thing i do want to flag about sp180 so um in the packet that went out for last week's meeting i'm not sure obviously you don't have in front of you but in the packet um jordan prepared two very comprehensive staff memorandums and so i just wanted to flag a few things about sb180 it would apply statewide it would it would not allow us to make any local new local rules from august 1st 2024 to october 1st 2027 with respect to land development or permitting that's more restrictive or difficult than before it would block moratoriums so it would say that local government such as deltona could not pause block construction or redevelopment of hurricane damaged properties during this time and it would make the moratorium effectively apply statewide because it would be retroactive to august 1st 2024 and it would find that any local rule that's passed since august 1st 2024 that violates this new law is considered invalid from the start now that's all sort of background the key sort of relevant point that i want to make is that there is a section of yeah there's weird feedback i hear it too and i don't want to be screaming in your ear yeah i hear it too i just don't want to if i'm going to blast your ear out just tell me it's fine i just i can hear it okay i just don't want to hurt your ear um so the the key is that in the bill itself so it's just in case anyone's following along at home it's page 47 of the text of the bill it's lines 1346 at page through 1363 and then on the next page 48 it's lines 1364 to 1372 a resident or owner of a business in a county or municipality like deltona can bring a civil action for declaratory or injunctive relief against the city if we are in violation of senate bill 180 so to commissioner howington's point certainly we are charter we are a municipality in charter county we can elect to challenge statute if that is a direction of the commission however what i suspect is more likely to happen is that someone would bring an action under sb 180 we could respond and we would figure out a litigation strategy at that time but the the point i want to just really point out in this section of the bill is that um the if they win if we don't lose if we don't win if the city loses the resident or business owner is entitled to reasonable attorneys fees and costs um so that's always the hammer um that they put to to get it's what they did with uh um they were trying to deter public camping right that was the kicker to get everyone to fall in line and draft our new ordinances if someone brings an action and wins you you have to pay their attorneys fees and costs and i would say that the most likely litigant based on our other people that have brought cases against us of late would likely be a developer and so they're likely they would have significant attorney's fees and costs if they win um so i just wanted to flag that for you now there we would there is an out under this section um which is subsection b of this section attorney's fees and costs and damages may not be awarded if they give us written notice that our proposed or enacted moratorium in this case is in violation of this section of senate bill 180 and then we withdrew it within 14 days um or notices notices notice and intent to repeal within 14 days after receipt of the notice and repeal the moratorium so so i will say this if you all elect to give us direction to draft this ordinance and the ordinance moves forward and senate bill 180 passes and someone brings an action you then would have another bite at the apple if someone sues us to say okay you know it's been a month it's percolated we've gotten other reports we've talked to other cities we can still withdraw so we're not gonna necessarily this noose is there's a way to get out of this noose is all i'm saying there is a noose but you will you can elect to get out of the noose if someone throws it over our neck the other thing i want to flag is in order to make this july first deadline it would be relatively tight and we've we've gone back we did the math so for it to pass it's an ordinance so it needs two readings and they have to be noticed 10 days out so we would have to put the advertisement for the ordinance and we only have to advertise the ordinance by title which we can do because the title of the ordinance is relatively simple by tomorrow we would place the ad tomorrow it would run thursday we would need to hold a meeting on the 23rd and the 30th and planning and zoning would need to hold a meeting now technically they're not they don't they don't have to but we recommend it because we recognize there may be a challenge and so we just want to make sure that every i and t is dotted and crossed so we would recommend that planning and zoning also hold a meeting on the 23rd before your meeting so we would have them ideally meet first on the 23rd then you all would meet and then you'd meet again on the 30th so that would be the path forward to pass it by july 1st there is enough time to do all these things um but it is tight and certainly we would need to have quorum at both those meetings uh again there's a little flexibility on planning and zoning like if we couldn't get a quorum it could still move forward without them but we would prefer for it to go to them and for them to approve it before it went to you all for your for your vote so sounds like what you're saying is worst case scenario if 180 passes we can back out of our moratorium yes yes yes you can back out of your moratorium anytime whether 180 passes or not um i'm if 180 passes and we do a moratorium and someone sues us under 180 we would then still have 14 days to you know say we intend to repeal our ordinance and notice the repeal that is my point yeah we can back out um if that is what happened so what do we need to do from here then i guess so that commission rila vasquez commissioner allington and commissioner lulli thank you mayor well that was my one of my questions you know where do we go from here but i just want to say that this is not the first time this topic has come up here at this dais there was a motion uh on a workshop may for this moratorium to take place just like a lot of other things that happens in the city it falls between the cracks and it never came to a city commission for approval so this is not the first time it was approved in a workshop and i think it was with the prior commission but since then we have changed so much city managers that everything seemed to have fallen between the cracks so i just want to let people know that prior commissioners were in favor of this uh moratorium we got beat up we got by you know developers and stuff like that but it never got a chance to actually go through the whole process come to the commission for an official approval so like commissioner uh steven says here we go from here what's our next another thing i want to say there is nothing in writing says that you cannot make a motion in a workshop there's been many times that we have made motions during a workshop so i don't know where this idea or this thing comes that we cannot make a motion in a workshop if it's an urgency if it's emergency like you say it is motion as long as everybody's in approving approves that the motion can be made so there is no way that says that we cannot make a motion during a workshop you certainly can make a motion during the workshop just to be clear you can make a motion um like i said you can make a motion to have an item be put on the agenda uh at a regular special meeting you can make a motion to give direction to the city attorney or the city manager and tell us we're your charter officers so you can give us direction at any point and i will tell you to your point i think you're right i think when there's a lot of turnover it's hard to move the ball i mean you know we're at the 26th ordinance of the year which is wild since we're in june um that's an insane amount of ordinances to have passed in a six-month period this commission has done an incredible job um but i just want to say doc and the staff and my team we've been cranking um and and we certainly intend to keep delivering but you're absolutely right when you have stability and staff um you can move things forward i mean candidly we just laid you out a path to pass a moratorium in uh in today's the ninth in 21 days so we we can we can do great things and and we feel fortunate to have such a competent manager and and great staff that he has brought but um to your point commissioner we're happy to if if if the commission directs us the city attorney's office i don't want to speak for doc but i'm sure the city manager's office would direct his staff to work with us um to get that done uh timely to just a point of clarification commissioner because i think what we're saying is not that we can't do a motion we can't um we can't vote on things it need it's not done it has been done before we we can't vote on stuff unless we advertise them is that not correct we can we can have a motion to put it on the agenda and it gets properly advertised and then we can vote on it but we can't vote on stuff that's not advertised unless there's an emergency and even then we still have to give a 48 hour notice oh that's the attorney you tell me because that's that's the way we were told from a prior attorney so that's a lot of things i'm going to say a couple things one um state law and the guidelines the operating guidelines and meeting rules and procedures for the deltona city commission are different so under state law um you certainly can add you can add anything to agenda to an agenda if the meeting has been properly noticed so there has there's a number of attorney general opinions and cases on point that say as long as a meeting is noticed where the public has said a meeting might occur by this body that's enough notice for the public to know that anything that's in your purview anything that's in your purview including i mean anything really accepting a grant to uh saying yeah we're going to build a new city hall whatever it is you have the right to add that to the agenda and vote because that notice is sufficient that you might take action on anything so you would need to have a majority of people vote to add it to the agenda and then you need to vote to approve it but you can even if it hasn't been noticed you can add things you can vote on them at a regular meeting now i'm going to pivot that's what i was saying not at a workshop correct so i'm so i'm going to pivot workshops guys i can hear you all the way over here again there's a little latitude under state law because workshops are public meetings however this is when the deltona city commission guidelines come in right so this is where the local rule kicks in you have a local rule under the operating guidelines and meeting rules of procedure this is the one revised 3-20-23 so this is the current operative document you have a section on regular meetings and you have a section on special meetings and a section on workshop meetings and it does specify that they they may i'll just say that for items it doesn't say whether you can add or subtract items but state law says you can so you can add items that's fine with respect to votes no official action can be taken according to your guidelines except to recommend items to be considered at a regular special meeting or to give direction to the city attorney or city manager which is action right i mean you can give us direction to go do a thing and like i'm telling you with this thing this ordinance we still bring it back to you for a vote i mean it has to be noticed you get to vote on it twice and planning and zoning will get to vote on it as well so you can give us direction you can tell us to take action but those are just so you know those are your guidelines not that's not the state law so your guidelines do are a little more restrictive but you certainly can give either of us direction finish commission review so where do we go from here what's the next step on this here if it's the will of this body commissioner howington i believe has can make a motion to make the motion give direction that's right and the way she has it worded i would say is right except i would say instead of say staff say city manager um because you can direct him you can direct us to go forward and draft this and then hold the public hearing as in we would schedule it and i am telling you those dates so you need to make sure if this is your intent to do this please make sure you all have a quorum and you can be here to vote on those days the 23rd june 23rd and the 30th i know planning and zoning is not here but we'll call them after this meeting and see if they can come 23rd um we have a budget meeting scheduled for the 23rd that's correct so you all already are on the docket but we would like to get the planning zoning here before you but then the 30th that's an important date as well so that would be the second reading and what our intent would be is the ad that we run tomorrow would have all three dates so it would say planning and zoning the 23rd at four o'clock and then um special meeting 23rd at whatever time o'clock and then the 30th special meeting at whatever time o'clock i did not confirmation the governor still hasn't received the bill okay um commission are you done commissioner villabasca so i can go to commissioner howington commissioner lully um i was going to make a motion but if commissioner lully would like to speak before i do that then i'd be happy to okay i move to direct the city manager and city attorneys to draft an ordinance also notice the public hearing tomorrow to be published thursday and hold a public hearing regarding the authorization of a temporary moratorium on the issuance of development orders and development permits for development of townhomes cluster homes and multi-family residential dwelling units residential development on lots less than one acre residential development over one dwelling unit per acre on any property located within the city the duration of the moratorium should be the shorter of and a date certain of nine months or the time it takes the city commission to enact regulations regarding implementation of all impact fees and determination or determine the impact of new residential development on transportation police ems and public safety adequacy of public facilities recreation and open space accessibility for emergency and public service vehicular traffic adequacy of drainage facilities availability of public infrastructure including general government facilities roads roads trails sidewalks solid waste stormwater water and wastewater the moratorium ordinance should also provide for exemptions waivers and appeals as required by law and the public notice should be for meetings on june 23rd and 30th so motion by commissioner howington there's no second can i can i just ask june 23rd and 30th ideally assuming we can get a quorum if not we will be flexible and figure it out you could just add yes i agree to that would you agree to that on the second who made the second commissioner colwell yes and that's to give directions so um commissioner lully did you want to speak yeah thank you let me turn these off so pio doesn't get mad at me because last time i left it i'm when i was talking to phyllis and then they turned me off because it was too much um i think that the whole intent here and thank you for bringing this commissioner hungton and the rest of the commission for um talking about openly and sharing your thoughts it sounds like your goal here is to um increase our impact fees to what is sustainable for this city and i i was in i was down in southwest florida last week and that's why i was going to zoom into the the commission meeting that that didn't happen um and and when i looked at some of what was going on down there i mean it was pretty shocking uh the difference in the impact fee scheduled down there compared to here and and like an unincorporated collier county which you know unincorporated county you'd expect less services in a city but this so this is not even inclusive of water wastewater or fire okay so take those three out of it their impact fees for a house like mine here in deltona is almost 32 000 and that's before before you even account for the fire which their fire in that particular fire district it was 94 cents a square foot which was i think more than six times what it is in deltona um and so it just seems to me you know um that maybe historically um and maybe as a result of of so much turnover in staff we've relied more on the existing residents um to carry the burden as the new developments have come in so um i'm really pleased to see this and i think we gotta get we gotta get closer to to those numbers i'm seeing down south because there's a reason why they're unincorporated county and they have these fire stations that are i i mean absolutely state of the art and this isn't a knock at our our great firefighters but you know we have we have stations in my district where the water is leaking they were meant as temporary stations and they're permanent they're have become permanent now for you know two decades so um i think it's well past time for us to to do a harder look at this and make sure that that new development is is paying its fair share because i think when i looked at what our current fire is in this city i mean every new house that's built i mean you're not even really paying a week's salary for a firefighter um so it's really not addressing those needs um and of course we we've seen some initial um uh discussions and conversations about going to budget season about um those needs um whether it's you know new fire stations and districts or replacement stations and so i think this is a really serious issue and um i certainly would love to see this moratorium lifted as soon as possible but not a single day before those impact fees are addressed so thank you supreme public comment uh commissioner uh just want to clarify uh the commissioner howington when you say residential development just for staff you're talking about development projects not an individual house just want to clarify if someone's going to build a single house that was actually going to be a question i had so now so someone buying building a house on their lot can't build their okay just want to clarify thank you so how how do we even manage an infill they have individual property rights if somebody buys an infill i mean the city doesn't even have a say over an infill that was a question your question is would this apply to infill yeah i i mean that's a candidly we would need to talk with jordan um i we can try to get him on the phone and ask him it's not necessary it's coming to a commission meeting for we can definitely have an answer before it comes back to you and if you want we can um again jordan's not here but we can work with him to make sure that he adds it to his his memorandum um and we can just talk with him so your question is would this apply to infill lots this would this apply to infill lots that's correct don't they have to come in for a permit anyway and follow yeah but that's all staff that's not before the commission but don't doesn't staff have rules that they need to follow in order to approve a permit for something and and then go back and make sure that procedures will be in follow correct but if we have a moratorium and it includes because it says here uh a house under one one acre i mean most of the the infills around here quarter acre lots it would apply it would essentially apply to an infill as well so they wouldn't be able to get a permit clarification the intent was to gear this towards residential because it's the residential that's using the fire services using the law enforcement using the parks using the roads so that was the intent it was not to focus on the commercial and the business and the industrial is to focus on specifically the development that is impacting our infrastructure significantly right but when they're talking about infill they're talking about right piece of property that is owned by someone and somebody's building a house there well if they already have the application then this should not apply correct so yes according to jordan's memo from last week's meeting there are 23 projects that already have they're in process this would not apply to any of those projects they they would be exempt um jordan has advised that infill is your decision uh and you can give direction if you would like it or not we could exclude infill lots he's not here but i don't think we have that many left i think most of the the lots have been we have a lot oh okay well it's up to you and i'm sorry i don't want everybody to get out of focus because we still have to go by by you know by the logger i just want us to start we're not talking about a developer now now we're talking about an individual who has an individual lot and we're individually violating their property rights no we're not because it falls under the same rules that she's trying to make about the fees the impact fees they still have to pay impact fees just like everybody else who's building a house anywhere else am i not am i correct or am i wrong yeah but individuals have never been treated a person has never been treated the same as a developer we could definitely consider adding a clause in there for infill lots this is directing them to come back with something and we always ask for options so that can be an option that can be offered if the if the will of the commission is to exclude infill lots then that i don't see an issue with that commissioner colwell you're up thank commissioner lowell with with all that being said i believe on next month our next week's agenda don't we have the um to change the undersized infill lots for approval is that correct that's a consideration for the next agenda we're going through this process here should we remove that from the agenda do we need to get consensus for that it could staff will discuss in the morning uh where you want to go with that okay then also we need consensus to remove that or no no no we can do it the day of the meeting right under additions and deletions no it's it's a project coming to the commission it wasn't requested by the commission so we could take that off okay and hold it yes all right commissioner are you done commissioner commissioner lawley thank you mayor um a couple points i just wanted to make um in edgewater their moratorium currently um within the florida shores drainage basin uh basin is includes infill of new single family homes and any area that is decreasing impervious land um within that within the area that it covers and there's isn't the city-wide this is i think a little more um targeted um so i i i think that it was from a legal perspective and i understand where the conversation we're going i think we're covered but i absolutely think um i don't think we should reduce it down and remove infill new single family residential and i'll tell you why in my case i bought a house here new construction infill in 2021 um this was not a deltonian who and i understand that there's case by case basis and there are deltonians who would you know be building and living there my house was built by a guy from orlando uh he came he comes he came in he comes in there's many houses around our city buys our infill lots for twelve thousand dollars which is pennies on the dollar and the reason why they're so low is because the impact fees are low and so you're able to to come in cheap you know turns around sells this house i was left with two busted windows and and two sliding glass doors on my three hundred twenty five thousand dollar house it didn't open but he's gone back to orlando uh and he's he's really you know taken us to the cleaners here he paid his i think my impact fees in my house were don't quote me but it's something like eight thousand to ten thousand i mean nothing nothing so that he can turn around sell it for cheap make a lot of money off of deltona um so i i feel very strongly that we should include the infill on on the moratorium um and i i i just think we got to do it and that's i think the impetus to to be expeditious with the impact fees um because we we can't be we can't be down in eight ten thousand dollars for you know these brand new massive houses like mine we we got to be closer to what other places in florida are doing because they're seeing the benefit of that to their existing residents and getting better services um particularly on the public safety front so thank you all right did you did you say we have any public comments okay so go ahead it wasn't on the agenda so i didn't fill out the phone hey tara dierko um so love the conversation because it's it's long overdue maybe a different way with the infill lots is if it's if it's someone who's who a developer who's buying it to sell it that's one thing to make a profit but if it's a private resident who's who's buying that lot to build their family home that they're going to live in and occupy maybe there could be just be a different scale right the developers maybe have to pay one scale and then someone who's going to occupy and then maybe we can look into if they sell that within five years they've they've got to somehow offset that a little bit but if someone's going to maybe build something with the intention of living there for 20 25 years maybe we could look at that a little differently that's just just a thought i don't know if it could be done but just wanted to bring it up thanks all right can you mayor if i may just one thought we could build a process into the ordinance and this is like i mean this is something we would recommend anyway and we probably would have put in for a waiver so that an individual applicant could come before you all and have a public hearing to request a waiver of the moratorium has a waiver thing in here so yes so that would be an exception and i will say that jordan has advised that we don't get a lot of infill applications i understand we have a lot of lots but apparently we don't get a lot of applications for it we get some certainly but we don't get a ton so he just wanted me to flag that um so that would be something you could if you wanted infill you could okay can we do a roll call please uh liz to bring this to the commission commissioner abila vasquez yes commissioner calwell yes commissioner howington yes commissioner lally yes mayor bella yes all right at this time we're going to go ahead and uh city manager comments uh just real quick there was uh one of the items the cra we talked about earlier three grants that we're still waiting to hear from the the federal government state government one is for uh sewer up and down the cra area uh we haven't uh received the positive or negative on that and two state grants one is for an injection well uh for up to two and a half million dollars with a match to push water into our rib section or rib side a lot quicker into the aquifer as well as another one for the mid mid basin uh about 750 thousand dollars for the engineering and planning so that we could pull water from the mid basin into the rib site so there's still three grants out there we're hoping here in the next few weeks as government's closing up feds and state levels so hopefully we have some good news in the near future thank you okay meeting is adjourned adjourned adjourned adjourned adjourned adjourned adjourned adjourned adjourned adjourned adjourned adjourned adjourned adjourned adjourned adjourned adjournedrok