City Clerk, can you please call the roll? Commissioner Vila-Vasquez? Present. Commissioner Colwell? Commissioner Howington? Here. Commissioner Santiago? Vice Mayor Harriet? Present. Mayor Vila? Here. This time we're going to go ahead and start with the invocation and the pledge to the flag. If I can please have Commissioner of District 4, Commissioner Howington, please lead us. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. And then I'd like to just have a moment of silence. Everybody may be saying it's our prayer for all of us to have a good evening and make it through tonight with the best interests of the residents at heart. Okay. There's a request. We're going to go additions, deletions. Seeing none, there's a request to move up presentations B and C. Sorry. Let me see here. C and B, ahead of A, would there be an issue with, we can do, doesn't matter, just those two before. Would the commission be okay with that? Yes. Okay. All right. We're going to go ahead and get started with recognition of the retirement of Fire Chief Bill Snyder. Okay. So let's, if I can have the dais please come to the floor. I believe the city also has, it's just that? Okay. Great. If I can please have Fire Chief come, or former Fire Chief Snyder come up. It feels so weird saying that. And if I can please have everyone here from the Fire Department to come up as well, along with family members, friends. Yes. Yeah. I said family. Family and friends. They're coming. Okay. Can you help me by holding this? All right. I'll hold this. Chief, we appreciate so many years that you've given the city, this community, so much leadership that you've given your firefighters. I know if I were to put Marenza, who's probably had the most relationship with you, which I will give her the mic. Don't worry. There's so much I can say. I don't want us to start getting emotional again like the other day. But I would love, on behalf of the city and us, to give you the key to the city of Deltona. I will tell you, that is so minimal to what you've actually given us as a community. And that doesn't even describe how thankful we are as a community to everything you've done for us. Because I've only given out three in my life of those. I don't just give it out for any reason. They have to mean something. And I would be so foolish to not give you that because you've obviously, you didn't deserve it. You earned that. So thank you for all you've done for us as a community. Thank you for building up the Deltona Fire Department. And we wish you the best on your retirement. And try not to travel too much. Commissioner Avila Vasquez, out of courtesy, you've known him a lot. Thank you, Mayor. So I can tell you that key is well earned. For those of you who don't know, when we have a hurricane and there's a lockdown, the city gets locked down, this room becomes our emergency center. The first time I met Chief Schneider, it's very hard to get out of that habit, was when Maria hit the Caribbean Islands. Do you remember that? I came to City Hall and I said, I'm doing a fundraiser and I need to get all the organizations that can help all the people moving into Deltona that were affected by Maria. And they said, well, work with Chief Schneider. And we fill up this room with organizations we didn't even know existed. And ever since then, we have been blessed to work together for the community, for the city of Deltona. And even though you retired, we're still going to bug you. I know where you live. I know your wife. We already talked, so you can't hide. Thank you so much for all your service. Thank you to the family for lending them, lending him to us. But we're giving him back to you nice and safe, right? So she's the one that's known you the longest from the Dias perspective. I think Emma, Commissioner Santero, has known you the longest because she's worked for the fire department. Chief, we talked already. Thank you so much for your service to the city. You just don't do the fire department thing, one of you. I appreciate you for what you've done. Back to school fair. And it just wasn't you. It was your family as well. So thank you. Thank you so much. You've heard my stories. Thank you for signing off on all my travel. I appreciate that. And I only wish you the best. You deserve it. You worked hard. So congratulations, Chief. Chief, I want to thank you for all the service you've done for me. I've probably known you the shortest time, I guess. But I really appreciate everything you've done for us. You will be well missed. Thank you. Thank you for all your service. And I think I have you beat. I've known him less than you. So it's been just a few months. But thank you for all that you've done. You've done so much for our community. And I know that I've heard nothing but wonderful responses about you and your team. So thank you again for everything. And Vice Mayor Harriet. Chief, thank you very much. Thank you for not only your leadership in the community, but the leadership of the fire department. And then the other night, we thanked you for my sacrifice. Without y'all's sacrifice, I could have never done near what I did. And I love y'all. And thank you for everything. I've got my fire department family. Thank you. It's been truly an honor to serve with y'all. And just thank you so much. Thanks to the staff, city staff. Thank you for supporting me throughout this process. You know, it's a team that makes things work. Our team here, our team here, our team here, that really make everything work. And thank you for, you know, everything that you've done for me. I want to thank the citizens of the community here that I've worked with many times. A good, positive group of people, for the most part, that have, you know, just really helped to make things a lot better. And I'm proud to have served this community. And I would like to thank the mayor, vice mayor and commission. Thank you so much for this. This means more than you can imagine. It really does. And, again, I'd just like to thank you. So, Chief, we're going to take a picture with you. Oh, Chief, sorry. Sorry about that. All right. Next, Maritza, if you can please come here to the front. I'd like to invite Vima to please come up. So, Commissioner Vila Vasquez is being honored. And I'll let, I always call him Groot. I don't know if that's what I'm allowed to call him or not. But he's Captain Harlem. So, you've been letting me call you Groot when it's the other guy's name. Come on. He's a real tall guy. Okay. So, I'll let him do the honor. But this is a big honor for, obviously, a commissioner to be receiving this. And, obviously, Commissioner Vila Vasquez does a lot with you guys in the community. So. Appreciate it. A lot of you guys know me as the Deltona commander. But I got a special treat tonight because the national commander actually came down from Jacksonville for this honor. So, I'm going to pass the mic off to him. Wow. Thank you. I feel special. Now, really, it is a special night. As I can see, a retiring first responder. What a great occasion for us to show up. Because all these men and women that you see here, that's what Vima's made of, first responders. All of us are either serving the military, retired, veteran, or active duty, or our side as a public servant and a voice for veterans, first responders, and the causes that matter most to us. In both words and in actions, not only does she talk about it, she executes. Commissioner Vila Vasquez has gone above and beyond her title, advocating for the veteran resources, public safety, and meaningful community partnerships, such as the one Vima has had the honor and privilege of establishing with the city of Deltona. Her respect for our service and her constant support for those who have served has not gone unnoticed. Today, it is our turn to serve, not through speeches or resolutions, but through something that means the most to us. Brotherhood, trust, and respect. And when I say that, it's what we word. We're all wearing the same thing because that's what it represents. And so, with pride and gratitude, we present this class A. We call our vests our class A. The symbol of who we are and what we stand for. And we welcome you, Commissioner Maritza Avila Vasquez, as an honorary member of the Veteran Enforcers Motorcycle Association, also known as Vima. Hence, we saw more with you. On behalf of Vima, welcome to our family, Commissioner. So, we want to present a little plaque to you. It reads a lot of what we already said, a recognition of your unwavering support and advocacy for our military and first responders. The Veterans Enforcers Motorcycle Association proudly bestows upon you the distinct honor of honorary membership. Your commitment is reflected in our mission, and from this day forward, you will have the loyalty and respect of those who ride for those who saw more. Presented today, Vima riding for those who saw more. Thank you. Welcome to the class. And as the national commander, we don't take this lightly. We present this to the chapter commander who requested it from you, and we approved it, and we will present it to you. Captain Harvey. So, Maritza, I remember the first time I came up in here, and I asked for support for the memorial ride, and you were the first one to show up to me and let me know that you had our backs. So, it's a pride and privilege. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you guys so much. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. You know, everybody here knows, it's no secret, I am a number one fan of our veterans, and I will do anything and everything within my power to help our veterans get what they deserve, and then plus. So, obviously, you know, helping, working with you guys is close and dear to my heart, and I will continue doing so, as well as our firefighters. You know, these, my families are veterans and firefighters and enforcers in New York City, so this is why it's close to my heart. So, I want to thank all of you guys for recognizing me. I didn't do it for this. But I appreciate it. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We've got one more presentation coming up. Next, we're going to do the Proclamation for Hispanic Heritage Month. Commissioner Santiago. Thank you, Mayor. Today, September 15, marks the beginning of Hispanic Heritage Month, and I have been honored to present the Proclamation today. So with that said, I want to invite the Volusia County Hispanic Association to come up front. We have Cassie Landron, the President, Elaine Daniels, Secretary, Felipe Espinosa, our Vice President, City of Deltona Proclamation. Whereas National Hispanic Heritage Month, known as Mes de la Herencia Hispana, is celebrated nationwide on September 15 through October 15 each year. And whereas the observation started in 1968 as Hispanic Heritage Week and was expanded to a month by President Ronald Reagan in 1988, at which it is celebrated today. And whereas Hispanic Heritage Month reflects on the history of a people who were part of this land long before the birth of the United States. And whereas the Hispanics were among the earliest European settlers in the New World, and Hispanics as a people, like their many cultures, share rich history and great diversity. And whereas Hispanics have had a profound and positive influence on our country through their strong commitment to family, faith, hard work, and service. They have enhanced and shaped our national character with centuries-old traditions that reflect the multi-ethnic and multicultural customs of their community. Now, therefore, we, the Mayor and City Commissioners of Deltona, Florida, do here proclaim September 15 through October 15, 2025 as Hispanic Heritage Month. And call upon public officials, educators, librarians, and residents of Deltona to observe this month with appropriate ceremonies, activities, and programs under this year's theme, collective heritage honoring the past, inspiring the future. 2025 Hispanic Heritage Month recipient is a Volusia County Hispanic Association. Thank you. You guys don't mind. Again, I'm A. Bespinosa. I'm the Vice President for the Volusia County Hispanic Association. Just a few minutes. I want to invite everybody. On Saturday, we have our 29th flight and festival at Dewey Booster, which should be a great time. We're going to be out there from 11 to 7. Great food. Great music. We want to celebrate our Hispanic culture. So, everybody's invited. So, it's a free entry. So, see you there. All right. Oh, no, no. Commissioner, you're supposed to wear that the whole commission meeting. Yeah. Listen, not every city can say that their commissioner is an enforcer. Thanks. Yeah. That sounds nice. All right. So, we're going to go now to, and I'm sorry if I botched her this name, but, Echelonos. Okay. Echelonos audit presentation. If you can just state your name so we can call you by your name. Is this a note presentation? Yeah. I believe it is. If you can just put the mic towards you. There you go. Thank you all so very much, and congratulations to the chief, to the commissioner, and thanks for having me. By way of background, as you all might be familiar, I was introduced to the city here and to the work that you all are doing vis-a-vis audits through the state DOGE initiative. I, myself, come from the federal DOGE team. I'll share a little bit more about my own background, but that is sort of by way of introduction here. Really a cutting-edge AI tool for government efficiency, fiscal responsibility, and taxpayer stewardship. So, I'll follow this presentation along and share a demo of our product. I'll share a little bit about my own background, get into the product, talk a little bit about our capabilities as a tool, and then a little bit about the terms. So, just a little bit about my own background and the background of our team. I grew up in Houston, Texas, went to Princeton, and then maybe the most relevant part of my background is came down here after school to Florida, to Miami, to work at Citadel, the hedge fund in the office of the CEO working for Ken Griffin, who's now, I think, one of the great Floridians. In January, I got a call to join the DOGE initiative in Washington, D.C. Give me one minute. I'm sorry. Interim Chief, can we please, Chief Bush? Sorry, as we can hear it all the way up here. Thank you. Continue. So, back in January, I got a call on a Wednesday morning to move up to Washington, D.C., to join Elon and the DOGE initiative. So, I resigned that afternoon and then moved up to Washington, where I participated and joined in the DOGE effort. I myself am proud to have several billions of dollars in cost savings to my name from the federal government. Following that work, I, along with some others, incubated at OpenAI, the leading AI company, thinking about how to bring some of the learnings that we have into an AI product that can be offered to other municipalities and so forth. And now, with the support of the state DOGE program being introduced to various municipalities here, and that's sort of the context that I'm arriving here today. So, we've built this platform that I'll demo in just a second here that is really an AI forensic audit technology. So, we work, we partner with municipalities from our own and also enterprises and state governments to identify efficiencies, opportunities for modernization, and ways to elevate and improve operations for all citizens. So, happy even to just jump into what it is our platform really, really does. So, if y'all are all able to see here. So, one way to sort of think about it is any enterprise, any organization, a municipality has all sorts of fragmented enterprise systems. HRIS, contract life management, CRM, and all of the rest. What we're able to do is deploy an AI agent that sits on top of all of these various systems. And you're only able to do this today because of the nature and point that AI's reached today, where we can sort of unstructured, unstructured data, right? That is to say, historically, if you were to have your HRIS system speak with your CLM system, these two different systems would be like apples to oranges. But what we're able to do is make them both apples, both oranges, or whatever, and really understand your organization in a holistic way to come up with these opportunities for efficiencies. So, here is our platform Echelon, Echelon OS operating system. And I'll give you a quick run through of among the things that we offer. So, initially in this knowledge base here, this is like a 3D map of your organization. This is where, again, based on these integrations and this AI layer on top of your fragmented system, you can let me know if I'm going too into weeds or not enough into the weeds. But we're able to basically build a 3D map of where people are spending time, where people are spending money, and where resources are being committed. And we extract from that your business objectives, the strategic priorities, basically, of a municipality. And then we map a dollar through the organization. Where is money coming in from, whether that's revenue, allocation? Which team is that being assigned to? Where is that money being spent? And is that money being spent on a strategic priority? Asking the first principles question. Even if we have a contract, do we need that contract in the first place? Even if money is being spent, do we need that in the first place? Is it in service of a business objective? And then we put this all together here in our money center where we map all of your various contracts. I'll pull here, you know, sort of this view is a demo. This view is from a real client who has said that we can sort of share. It's part of our demos here. So every contract gets a baseball card where we have a summary of what that contract does. We pull alternative vendors, a cost, payments cadence, and all the rest. Business objectives, terms, how do you do on pricing? Do you have a duplicative contract or what have you? You can add all sorts of additional tracking as well in custom metrics for a contract. And then we make a recommendation for that contract. Hey, you have a duplicative contract. Hey, there's 50% utilization. You can renegotiate terms. And because we have this full 360 review of every contract, we can also answer kind of secondary questions. So for instance here, hey, this is very low utilization, but this has important reputational value for your organization that you have this contract. So really this full 360 review of every contract of every spend that you have through AI. And this is the type of work that one might spend really millions of dollars having consultants come in and do manually. We can do it in one day and bring more data to bear than anybody else more effectively. In instances where we recommend renegotiation, for instance, we can actually give you the points of renegotiation for that contract. Again, this is like really, really cutting edge AI, what we're able to bring together and the recommendations that we're able to bring to bear. We also additionally have these other views across people, for instance, where we understand, hey, here's your organization and we built an org chart for you. And then answer, are people really spending time on the right things? We're able to look at where people's efforts are being put and ask, are they working really on a business objective? The other thing we're able to answer among other questions is how does AI play into your organization? There are a million AI tools. There are a million different ways people think about AI. What we can do is actually give you a bespoke plan for how AI fits into your organization where each individual can utilize it. So for instance, in this case, a director of operations can use high radius autonomous receivables for this particular use case. We show you exactly what AI tools fit for your organization, for your needs, again, because we have this whole 360 view of your organization. And answer, I think, one of the most pressing questions of every organization, where can AI fit for me? Again, this is really just, I mean, cutting edge. Putting this together, we can actually track your progress on one of these plans, on a transformation plan. How are you doing against one of these plans? And why might you be missing a goal? And then simply hit refresh here to re-baseline. Significant pain point in executing a corporate transformation. And then we can also give you actually a step-by-step sequencing of any given plan, say that signing a contract or renegotiating a contract or what have you. I'll kind of run through the rest here because I know I'm coming up on time. Workbench is what folks have kind of thrown to various team members to look at. And in chat, you could pull anything that we have across your system, whether that's pricing an initiative, whether that's asking for financial forecasting, or understanding, hey, what's the sort of background of a given contract, hire, et cetera. And then in our inbox view, this ends up being something very important, especially on an ongoing basis. This is an AI layer on top of your new incoming contracts, on top of your new incoming hires. So you can ensure, hey, you have AI spend controls. Say, for instance, we don't want to spend any more money on this particular initiative. Say we want to grow only this team and not that team. This can add that AI layer really on top as an automatic function. So that's just a very quick demo of some of our capabilities here. So kind of pulling that together, we offer visibility across operations, contracts, and resources for the whole of your organization, recommendations for cost savings, headcount planning, enforced spend controls, and contract compliance monitoring on an ongoing basis, a bespoke AI implementation roadmap plan, and continuous identifications for efficiencies. As opposed to other types of audits that are really manual and only able to bring a fraction of the data that we're able to bring to bear, we do all of this in a single day. In a single day, we deploy our AI agents, and not in our network, but on your network, we don't see anything. It's totally up to you. You see it, and is a turnaround time in literally a single day. Because of our integrations, we're able to identify millions more in savings than any manual process and do this in real time. In terms of even pricing, we exist as an enterprise tool, and that's really where our customer base is, but have a partnership to offer a discounted at-cost, really at-cost price for public partnerships that we were able to, you know, we're sort of doing in partnership with the state Doge program. And then lastly, vis-a-vis pricing, anything is done on a performance basis rather than, say, a project basis or anything like this that you get with consultants or any sort of other type of forensic audit. You know, you're not paying for warm bodies. You're paying just for a software. So it's actually, you know, really just a fraction of the price. So pulling that together, right, this is, you know, again, my background coming from the federal Doge here, and then through a partnership with the state Doge program, just glad to be here and share a little bit more about Echelon, and hope to be able to help out here in Deltona. Vice Mayor, Harriet. Thank you very much for coming and presenting to us. I appreciate that. I've got some questions that I've written down that have come up during your presentation. At the previous workshop, it was noted that this, you got, your organization thought that this was a good fit for Deltona. Yep. Can you explain why you think Deltona is a good fit for your solution? Yep. Yep. And this was done, again, in partnership with the state Doge. Part of the thought was that this is sort of as a, I suppose there are a couple of reasons. One is, as far as the size of the city, it's sort of a perfect size. That, you know, it's like, on the one hand, it is large enough, I think the budget's somewhere in the order of 400 million, that it's almost inevitable that there are opportunities for efficiencies. But on the other hand, it's sort of also the size where you could really wrangle those, right? It's not completely out of control and too large. And then I think that there's also, like, a deep faith in, you know, the commitment to fiscal responsibility from the leadership here. Thank you for that. Are there any other agencies in Florida that are using this software yet? Yep. Yep. So we're moving forward. Not sure what I can sort of share otherwise. But as far as other municipalities that we're sort of engaged with. Do you have contracts with any other municipalities similar to any size and scope? Happy to follow up with them and then kind of connect with you just to... I appreciate that. Yep. In the presentation, you've mentioned a couple times that you guys are working in partnership with the state. So is this... Would this be the state doge coming in to Deltona? Or would this be Deltona working with or contracting with you guys as a third party? This would be contracting with us... As a third party. As a third party. Okay. And then that cost that you identified as a shared cost, we'd be getting it essentially at your cost, right? What would that be? And how do you build based off of performance rather than project? Yep. So as far as at cost goes, right, like it is a function of the data in our compute, right? So kind of looking at your understanding basically if I were to ballpark it, what that would look like given the size of the municipality, kind of estimation of what data would look like based on comparables, it would be $300,000 for the technology itself, the infra cost, service cost. And then as far as performance goes, what we have is up to $200,000 in cost savings found. We find, you know, $20 million cost savings. Not a crazy number, by the way, for $400 million, right? You think about how contracts can be adjusted, what, you know, kind of the... We call them zombie contracts, zombie subscriptions. You know, God bless, keep all those savings, pays for itself, but we will capture up to $200,000. Okay. And then, you know, but that it's a performance, we find nothing, never happened before. Then, you know, we don't collect anything at the end. Does that make sense? No, it does, it does. I appreciate that explanation. Yeah. And that kind of leads me to another question. It appears then, based off of that, that your AI program is going to be specifically looking mostly at contracts. And how does it incorporate, and I don't know, I know that in the past, the city has been a late adopter to technology. Yep. And so, having a lot of paper records and whatnot in the past, how does that play into your system? What's, you know, in terms of, you know, getting everything scanned in and computerized? Yep. So, that is to say, like, if a set of contracts are literally only on paper. Part of copies, yeah. So, kind of the beauty, so number one, it does need to, like, be on a computer. Yes. But, but what's kind of, like, the beautiful moment that we're in is, in our technology, it can read PDFs, can read scans. So, it's not as if someone needs to sit there and enter a million things. You could literally take 5,000 pages, put it in a scanner, you know, and it zips through. And then we process all of that, understand the contracts, understand the data, know what to pull, and then can immediately structure it in the way that we're showing. Give it these baseball cards, these ratings, recommendations, identify actually who's the best person of contact within the agency to handle something like this. You can email that person of contact related to that contract. And, you know, we understand who engages with each contract and so forth. So, this being contract-centric, is there any consideration given to operating budgets and efficiencies within operating budgets? Or is it just strictly contract-related? What do you mean by that, like, looking at? When it comes to looking at how we spend money that is outside of contracts. Yeah. So, if it's, you know, if a human is analyzing an operation, they can look and say, we spend this much labor on these tasks. Yep. If we contracted that out, but we don't. But if we did, there could, you know, you could do it a little bit more efficiently. Yep. Or just overall reviewing, maybe we spend just ballpark $100,000 on toilet paper because we buy it, every department buys it separately. Yep. You know, is that something? That is a classic use case. Okay. So, that is, you know, I kind of use contracts as a catch all. We call it our money center. We integrate with your spend. So, we can actually even identify, hey, if there's an employee with, you know, you know, 100x the spend of everyone else flag, you know, we can understand if something like that's going on. Hey, you can, in a sense, there's also a way in which this enters like the GPO market, right? Hey, you've got all these duplicative contracts. Hey, you should consolidate them. Hey, you only need one. Something like that. Or you're getting a bad price, whatever it is. So, we identify all of that. That's like extremely classic use case, let's say. How does it analyze, say, for your example, if an employee is, you know, the primary spender and spending exponentially more than somebody else. How does it know whether that employee, you know, what the reason for that is? Yep. So, ultimately, right, like our data is all based on our integrations. So, one is we can, if there's not enough information to answer the question, we will just flag it for you and everything's human in the loop, right? Everything, the human makes every decision, but we will give you all the context that you need and all that that exists. But what we can do is, let's say, like, you know, if someone was, like, I don't know, doing city business on their personal credit card and then had to reimburse it. If that's recorded anywhere digitally across your network, the AI will pick it up, right? So, that's, for instance, what I was sharing about, like, this contract. I just kind of pull it up as an example. Very low utilization. You know, price is okay, but it's important for reputational value. Folks were discussing in email and understanding in email that it's important for the reputational value of the company that they're kind of engaged in this particular contract. They were, it was, you know, to your point, technically a contract. They were part of an association. Okay. So, it picks that up. I've got two more questions and I promise you'll be done. Good. So, how, does it interface with our existing ERP solution? Yep. And you have examples and it's been, it's interfaced with our ERP solution in other jurisdictions. So, what I can share, let me put it this way. One of our most recent customers was a hundred year old vacuum cleaner manufacturer in rural Michigan. If I ever thought I saw dirty data, or if you ever thought you saw dirty data, you know, welcome to this particular customer. So, it's like, and we were able to turn that around literally in a day. That's part of the innovation here, the types of agents that, AI agents that we've built that can extract data. It can pretty much extract data for anything, even kind of from a technical sense. I don't mean to kind of get into the details, so you can tell me to move on. No, that's perfect. That's kind of, so it can weed through those contaminated data lakes per se, or polluted data lakes. Exactly. And like intelligence. Exactly. And then the last question that I have is, how does it, throughout that process, how does it determine what is waste versus what is maybe a quality of life project that the commission has approved or that, you know, it's something to that effect? So, that's that first page, like the map page that I showed, why that ends up being so important, because that actually maps out what are the strategic objectives, the strategic priorities, the city priorities, you know, the mission, and so on, that everything should be mapped to, right? So, any spend will be mapped onto a goal of the city. And where we find instances that spend or people's time and resources are not mapping onto a priority, flag that for you. Hey, this is kind of wasteful, right? And again, just like for your review, but that, you know, kind of logic page of the map ends up being really important for that. Or we, you know, can identify, you know, in some cases 50, 60, depends on the organization, how many business objectives there are, or, you know, strategic priorities, political priorities, and then we'll see what kind of work towards those goals versus not. Okay. Does that answer the question? It does. It sounds like that's probably the area where we're going to have the largest gap, because I don't know that those have been prioritized or documented formally. So, what we do there is typically, like, pull, like, just, I mean, that's integration with documents that you have, public and then in kind of like the drive or whatever, to understand, hey, what are people talking about? And what are y'all talking about, right? And what are your priorities? And then we map to see to it. Okay. Yep. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Oh, 100%. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Commissioner Vila Vasquez. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you for coming out here and giving us the presentation. So, I'm listening to a lot of my questions you have seemed to, you know, answer currently. So, you're reviewing contracts. So, what we do, right, like, is we integrate across your network, across your various enterprise systems, and then we ultimately understand, we kind of call it contracts, but it's really any money out the door. So, we review all of that money to see that it's, and I could sort of run through the various metrics that we track for, and you can add more, but we track that you're getting good pricing, you're getting good terms. You're not spending duplicates with duplicatively. What you're spending on has utilization. What you're spending on actually advances one of your priorities. So, we track all of that, as well as for people, as well as for your team to understand folks are spending time on strategic priorities as well. And then if not, it's like, hey, flag, you know, they should be, you know, spending time on X, Y, Z. So, I used to be a software analyst in helping develop software for tellers. We did what we used to call a mini audit in-house before the big orders came in. And I'm just going back many years, so I'm just going to put it the way we did it, and I want to compare it to how you, you know, you guys are doing it right now. So, you have an expense. Yep. You turn in your report, you put the expense with your receipt together, and that matches. But we also look at the policy. Mm-hmm. Is there a policy that says that you can spend this money on what you spend it on? Mm-hmm. Do you also do that, or do you just look at the finance part of it? Yep, that's also in there. Right, like, ultimately, these questions end up being sort of big data questions, and then how can you structure it accordingly? But we ensure that everything is compliant with, yep, spent policy. So, I mean, because I can go out and spend money on anything I want, but am I allowed to do that, right? Mm-hmm. And it's all based on the policy of the city. Yep. In my case, it was the policy of the bank. So, I was just wondering how, you know, how do you title that together if you're just looking at finance? But now you're telling me that you do look at policies as well. So, happy to kind of, like, run through the various integrations that we do, all of the data that we ingest. But one way to sort of think about it is kind of as a company, we're disrupting consulting work, the consulting industry with software. What has been done manually, we're just doing now with AI. So, you can do it, you know, you're not paying for the people, so it's cheaper, it's immediate, but it's exactly the same goals. Our background for many of us is in consulting exactly that. So, as we're finding with customers, it's like, oh, I could have brought in PwC or brought you in for, you know, factoring the cost and so on. It's more or less exactly as a manual audit. It's just that now it's more automated, more sophisticated. And again, the question was already asked, but I wanted to find out, you know, if it's compatible to the equipment we have or do we have to spend money on bringing in a software like this? So, this is like the payment is for the software for that. I guess the answer is like it is compatible, but that's what you're paying for, like the agent that can understand the data of all of these various systems and then format them and then make the recommendation. Does that answer the question? Maybe I'm not understanding it. So, we already have our software, our hardware. Yes. Can we, is that software, can we bring it in and make it work in our hardware or do we have to go buy more equipment to make it work? Sorry, I didn't understand the question. Yes. It's built for this. So, it's an AI layer that sits on top of all of your systems. Okay. One of the issues that we find, right, is like there's so many vendors out there that recommend like rip and replace, pull out, here's new software. We say you have your stack. This will be as minimally disruptive as can be. It will be behind the scenes. It will sort of, yep, this AI layer just on top of all the system and does a data extraction from all, you know, HRS, ERP, CRM, email, whatever. And do you train our IT department to work on it? Or do we always have to go to you for information? So, we continue to have like, you know, service and so on. The intention is, right, like there would actually be very, we just need like initial access, right, like permission to the systems. And then we hand it over to you. And then the UI should be like ready to go and pretty intuitive. I kind of walk through very quickly what that looks like. All of this, by the way, is exportable to Word, PDF, Excel, if that's just an easier way to work. We find for most folks, you know, they don't, some folks like using the dashboard. Some folks want the insights and recommendations pulled out into a, you know, a PowerPoint or an Excel so they can send it around. But, yeah, it's kind of we hand it over to you and then it's, you know, like, I don't know, like Salesforce or Gmail or whatever, right? It's a SaaS product. So, you're able to use it. Thank you. Appreciate your answers. Thank you. Commissioner Caldwell? Yeah, most people, most everybody here has already asked many of the questions I have. So, I'm just going to have a quick question. Could you give us a number of the contracts you have with municipalities as, without naming names? Let me, let me see what I, what I can share. And then come back if that's all right. Just because, I don't know, that's sort of like the state doge. You know, don't want to step on anyone's, anyone's toes, so to speak, but happy to follow up if that works. Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner Howington? Thank you. Thank you for coming out and presenting tonight. So, this sounds like, is there going to be some sort of like a data warehouse that would house all the parameters that we provide and things like that? So, as it is going through and looking at our data, it's able to analyze what our expectations are. Is that kind of how it's going to hold the data and how does it? Yeah. I guess I'm trying to figure out when we set the logic and the parameters, we're going to set goals and targets. Yep. And so, how much data can it hold? Is it, does it have the ability to look at a budget and know that we've budgeted X amount of dollars in various funds, accounts, things like that? Can it monitor those or is it specifically project-based? Yep. So, sort of in like this map page, right, where we have it marked as revenue, I think that would be best as like allocation from budget, right? That's more fitting to the, to a public sector partner. And then as far as contracts go, you know, you can sort of take a look at some of the various items that we track sort of as part of our typical process. So, the pricing, what's the pricing for this, duplicity, whether it's advancing a strategic priority business objective or the terms like if it's business critical, but you can actually add those custom metrics as well. Whether that's for the individual contract, for a team, maybe that's just for whatever department or for the whole organization. So, this is actually something that, you know, we sort of can hand over to you and then very, like the UI, I think, is very intuitive that you could sort of just add, I don't know, like, I don't know, like owner or whatever, right? And then you can track it across the, all of, all of your contracts and that'll come up in the same way that we have like business objectives, terms, business critical, you know, that new kind of tracker will, will pop up. Does that answer the question? I think so. Okay. And so, we actually, as a city, we can set those parameters. This is our decision to make. This isn't somebody else making it on our behalf. Totally. We hand it to you, all human in the loop. Y'all are the boss of it. And how does the licensing work? Because the way it sounds, if it's being handed over to us, it sounds like it's more of a perpetual license. Is that the case or is it subscription? Yep. We have a yearly subscription. So, it's a yearly subscription. Yep. Yep. What's the annual cost on that? Right. So, again, it'll just depend on the size of the organization, but kind of looking into my understanding of a city of y'all size, 300,000 for that. Per year? Yep. And then that, you know, continues to give the ongoing review of new hires, of new contracts, et cetera, to ensure that, you know, you don't need to bring in, you know, consultants every couple years because you're staying. And, you know, your money is being, you know, your money is being, you know, spent effectively, efficiently at all, at all times. Okay. And I think that was the end of my questions. Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner Santiago. Is your mind not on? Well, I can hear you anyhow. It's more for public. Oh, gotcha. Commissioner. Hold on. Gotcha. Thank you. Oh, much better. Thank you. I was looking up your company, and I couldn't find it. Yeah. Can you tell me, are you licensed in the state of Florida, your business? We're incorporated in Delaware. That's our incorporation. And then we're headquartered in San Francisco. And that has to do with, you know, part of the, it's kind of the beaten heart of AI, right? So that's like, you know, where the talent that we're leveraging is. Okay. It's licensed in the state of Florida. What do you mean? Like, we're sort of, yeah. Well, you did say you partner with municipalities. Is it those municipalities in the state of Florida? Yes. So we don't have a particular license, or maybe I should for, maybe I'll love to understand a little bit more about the particular license that you're kind of asking about. Just to do business and license. Yeah. Do you want to go on the search for businesses in the state of Florida? Yeah. And I can, I was putting it on there and I couldn't find it. I was just wondering. We should be, our incorporation is Echelon Technologies Corporation. Okay. Maybe that OS was thrown in there at the end, but Echelon Technologies Corporation. And how long have you been in business, Echelon? How long has that been in business? We've been, so literally a matter of, literally a matter of months, right? We came out of the federal doge effort. And how long? Sorry? How long, how many years? Oh, months. Months. Okay. So you're new, well, this is all new. All new stuff. Yes. Yes. This is like an edge. Okay. And you will get back to us on how many contracts you have currently? Because you don't have that number right now, right? Correct. Well, yes, correct. Yeah. know AI is very very new and this audit is all new but my question specifically is to our IT director who's sitting right here if you please sorry to put you on the spot Robert but I just trying to understand AI is new how do you how will it compare to the city like will it work with the city what they have now can you give me your thoughts well this is a new way to actually approach a solution like this so we would actually talk to the vendor we really interview them and find out examples of how it's being used in other places and other entities so right off the bat there's we have our data is not just here in the city it's also in the cloud so there's not just integrations on premise it's also integrations remotely and then we have to have those vendors agree to release the data and analyze it as well so it's not a simple solution I'm not really sure how the solution works I can't really speak about whether it can or can't but the there's it's very complicated in how you communicate with different vendors and different solutions internally by itself our on-premise solutions are both in a binary format and blob data as well as encrypted so you'd have to go through encryption keys you have to guess that's quite a few hurdles you have to go through so the I'm not sure what the agent's going to look like it's it'd be very complicated so it'd be important that we know the type of solution we get an example or in a demo from another city or another entity so references are very important in this case including the where the data is going to be stored so if the data that they're going to generate is being sent to their their their cloud systems where is it staying is it protected usually we request SOC 2 compliance reports to ensure the vendor has adequate security those takes those can take years to generate to ensure that the vendors are secure that they keep their data encrypted at rest and in transit and that they're they're you know they're hiring legitimate employees if they're doing background checks those are the simple things that a SOC 2 compliance report requests from so we want to be sure that we ensure our privacy for the citizens and the data that we have internally so it's a little bit more than just hey here's our entire budget go for it it's a little bit more technical than that yeah if it was just our budget we have budget documents online you can you can probably pull analytics from the budget document all day long it'd be wonderful but it's more than that if they're going to hit every single system the question is what is that agent doing what data is transmitting out and in and outside the city that's there's a it's a lot more complicated if it if it wasn't it'd be mad to me it's magic when it's something like that that just works right wouldn't that be nice yeah you wouldn't have a job thank you for the explanation i think ai is just too new i don't feel comfortable just handing it over to a company that it's probably been here a few months had just operated a few months um and without other municipalities knowing how the outcome has three hundred thousand dollars a year is a bit a bit too much for that but i appreciate your explaining that to us and that's all i have thank you so happy to share happy to as we've done with um just last week in it manager of another municipality share the tech architecture that we have to ensure that everyone feels comfortable with with the safety kind of call it our lock box right kind of um oh i don't need to get into the tech architecture here but um to ensure that it's that it's safe we're leveraging uh delve um out of san francisco to move forward with sock two um and then uh yeah safety number one priority especially as we move um to think about um uh federal um clients as well you know fed ramp which is the ultimate like most secure standard as well um built on aws um to ensure that you know where the cloud is as safe as the government's cloud um that in each um yeah kind of technological decision that we've had it's been safety has been number one um because we are aware no one's going to work with you if you if safety is not not number one so that's totally been you know like front and center for us since the beginning um you know the tech happy to chat more but like if the technology decisions that we've made aws versus versell etc have been with safety in mind all right i have a couple questions myself um i'm off for ai right i i get that it could be new and stuff i look at cities like altamont springs they're probably one of the leading cities in the country they use ai for everything i mean literally they're put up on all these national things i think ai is the way of the future on some things on some things i think it's going to be the death of intelligence but that's neither here nor there um i have some concerns when i hear things like a simple question of how many clients municipalities you have if i look at my attorney right now i say madam attorney how many clients you have without mentioning any names i don't think anything legally restricts you from telling me so to be clear i think that has more to do with like the political aspect of the state doge right that i'm working with uh folks from the governor's office so i don't know how like public they are with how many folks like they want to use i mean they're very public because yeah blaze has come out and said that it's very brand new technology and they're going to start working on it i just have concerns because a couple months into the business we can't answer a simple how many how many municipalities it's nothing against you i mean i for goodness gracious i was the one that initially mentioned it uh not with your company company specifically i wanted to see doge um but those are just simple things that i think our residents want to know and then obviously we talk about you know thankfully some of the commissioners asked already software purchase one-time use multiple times and you've described it as a subscription right um and i know this is a tough question to answer because you've only been in business a few months but what would be the recommended uh the recommendation on renewals i mean because after a while once you've quote-unquote semi-doge because this is a different company i don't know how to call it uh i mean is it efficient or even is it is it profitable for the city to continue to use you guys if we've already been doge and we fight very little or whatever the case is 300 000 is not a little bit of money 100 100 and it's guess like i gave up my life working in in finance in miami because i'm committed to the to the notion of fiscal responsibility to to taxpayer stewardship so 100 committed and appreciate appreciate the size the size of that number and that just has to do with our compute right to actually like run the llm costs money um so that's what that number has has to do with um and you know even as compared to our private sector customers like that's you know this is at cost like that's literally just to to run the um compute i know it's it's just just to follow up on that the reason i'm asking these things is for example uh one of the creators i think it was for chat gpt said that they spend i forgot their percentage so i'm not going to try to quote it but it's a massive and normal amount of money just replying to the users thank you yeah from people saying hey can you say this and then they give them the whole script and they're like thank you and then they respond you're welcome yep so so that's what i'm trying to avoid is us having some type of redundancy with ai right that's why i look at and i was hoping to hear you say that maybe you're working with altamont right uh because they are such a leading city when it comes to ai technology so that i guess that helps with the question yep no totally understand it's the question of whether to renew the subscription whether this works for you every year or this is just a one-off kind of like bring in one one type of audit that that's just up to y'all um you know to your point we don't because we haven't been in business for many many years the technology hasn't been here for many many years we don't know if most folks will leverage this as hey we use this and we'll bring it in every five or six years to kind of review our contracts or whether it's you know like useful on an ongoing basis um what we can say is that folks have been um very um like so even even take a step back maybe this will help kind of as you think about hey where has this been used and so on so on the private sector sort of our go-to-market is as is as follows um right private equity firms by companies with a mandate for corporate transformation cash positive cash flow positive businesses where they're looking to extend to expand margins to cut costs so what they've been doing and where we've already had like tremendous success is deploy on one portfolio company and they usually do a pilot just kind of and then they love it and then they deploy across their whole portfolio so that's where like already you know kind of really taken off um and i'm happy to yeah share numbers for those shows references i know kind of that was coming up whether from uh it folks who we've worked with happy to share references happy to share references from business executives um that have found this to be extremely successful in in identifying efficiencies in in saving money etc um but um yeah as far as far as the cost go definitely appreciate it we have found time time again it pays for itself right in identifying we call it the zombie contracts right um you know the zombie terms or whatever um so but the question of whether you like subscribe year to year is you know a question i only got a couple more questions yeah so how do you how how would you guys do an operational audit using your technology specifically because i think that's probably where we can find some of the deficiencies is within operations how how would that work yep give me a ninth grader kind of version of what you're going to tell me yeah okay so so there are like a few different ways to kind of attack that um one of them is to think about right like as i talk about like the ai implementation plan so what we're able to do is understand actually what are the tasks of every given person in the employee base right what does everyone actually do and then we're able to say okay given their task here's like the off-the-shelf ai agent that can augment that work um and can help increase the efficiency so for instance say there's a team of 10 lawyers here um and they're absolutely like at capacity but there's you know so much work we can actually say oh given their workload like here's harvey ai this is like the ai that's best fit for what they do let's say there's like a sdr team here um well hey 11x is an agentic sdr hey that that you know you bring that in and that's you know kind of proven to increase efficiency by 50 percent here are the ai tools that actually fit for your organization that's one way in which we just i mean really um expand help with recommendations on replacing uh maybe a tool or a person or a technology to make it more efficient we think about augmenting like hey like your people are constrained um and um you know we can sort of bring in these additional tools to increase increase efficiencies and so on so that's that's kind of one way one way to think about it um the other way is like hey you know this this operation's using these 10 contracts actually you only need five of them whatever it is right like this is not actually in service of the goal here okay that's more of the question that i wanted to answer um security right yes that's probably one of the most important things you're you're working with government uh obviously if you're doing business with the state which i would still like to get information on some of your clientele yep you know that maybe you can't release publicly but uh many of us can say we work with so-and-so but it doesn't mean it's actual factual not that i'm doubting you but uh what i want i don't want to see is be in the news for a leakage for using a ai company and all of a sudden another ai company thinks it's oh look it's cute let's hack them let's let's see what we get any amount that you don't want that to happen i don't want that to happen anymore uh but but really again like we are um building this like in a closed environment like happy to run through all the tech architecture as we've done to ensure that it's you know uh uh you know to y'all's preferences so i don't mean to really i guess my question comes down to because even our government can get hacked at any minute right nobody's perfect what what when it comes to securities what type of liabilities do you guys have to protect this let's say you do get hacked right because you're not perfect let's say you get hacked what type of protections do you guys put in place you know like equifax when they get data breach what they call it they give everybody free credit monitoring for a year whatever what what type of protections is what the question i was looking for so i guess they're they're um like what um so even i hope this is not getting too much in the weed but we're like built within aws right so like our safety is like within kind of right which is owned by amazon the government uses them you know government cloud right like the government aws for government right so we're like built on their cloud so that we're like basically just like using their security protections right we don't really have to build our own that's you know kind of what we're doing by building on their on their cloud um and calling apis from other um parties that are appropriately credentialed right so like um right now we're going through um like three pao for fed ramp so that we could even be used for the federal government which has to become fed ramp approved so that is the absolute most secure of any um standard in the world um so that's that's you know really the standard that that we we hold ourselves to um and appreciate that yep it's it's number one as far as like what can be offered um for if there were to be an issue um happy to i don't know that i have an answer at hand but happy to work out whatever whatever works but again like we're built on aws so kind of like in in their cloud so we leverage that what what they've built out last question uh do you guys offer some type of a simple dashboard for residents to look at um in case you know let's say you ought to get done whatever uh yeah simple dashboard that can be implemented into our website where residents can go through i think that's fantastic so one of the things that we did in federal doge was we had we called defend the spend where we would show every expense and then everyone who would anyone who would like actually be spending that would write a description of why that was needed and that's actually still public online so i've always thought that the idea that you could have this on the municipality level would be really special and this is kind of the way to do that um but yes i mean that's that would be like super easy to do and can definitely definitely do that let me also just super quickly just name on the because i hear it as like a repeated concern about like the other municipalities i'll touch base with eric soskin who's the contact from the governor's office who made the introduction here for me um and we'll just yeah touch base with him with what can be shared maybe put him in contact with you if that's best um for him to share about our our involvement with with the state doge um and then i i just don't want to step on his toes you know what i mean but can bring him into that conversation if that's helpful and again all of our tech architecture happy to share references from other it folks we've worked with all of that okay vice mayor harriet then commissioner avila vascos thank you mayor i appreciate that discretion if we were on the other end of this i would absolutely want some consideration made um the mayor's last point that he brought up is um something that one of the ones that i was going to bring up as well in terms of uh you know sharing this publicly what what does that look like it sounds like you guys have different thoughts and whatnot in mind so that's uh there's definite possibilities for that to happen totally and that'd be super super easy list from our end to make that happen okay thank you and then the other the other question i have is since ai is an emerging technology and they're the ai space is full of new coming companies are there any other companies that are similar to what you guys do that are currently out there so one of the things that make us special is we're like a lightweight agent that can be deployed on top of like a legacy tech stack so the um that's what other systems allow for call it like ramp for instance if y'all are familiar is rip and replace right so that is where you really have to pull out your erp system or your expense system and put in a whole new one that's very high friction that's very expensive but we're the only one doing it with like the methodology of hey here's like a agent that can be deployed agnostic to the underlying system can integrate basically with anything and then make these recommendations so this is one of the ways in which we are unique no one's doing anything like this okay and built actually right out of the government use case for the government thank you very much for that um and do we have his contact information if you don't we do okay awesome thank you very much i'd like to touch base after just to totally i don't stick around here as well if that's helpful i i'll be honest with you tonight's meeting is probably going to go for a little while so i don't want to waste your evening commissioner viva vascos thank you mayor so i have a question that i've heard um a comment doing the other comments so what you're saying is that um your system will interface with our system and your system will follow the um security setup in the back that our system has so in other words our system will catch something that's not allowed and stop it on your side you understand what i'm saying so you have programming yeah and then you have the beautiful screen that's in front of you without seeing all the you know the programming in the back and whatever i tap on tap into this beautiful screen it talks to the back and then the security set in the back is what stops all the uh high you know hacking and stuff like that is that how your system is set up so taking a step back about like the architecture um right so if you imagine um otherwise you don't have a security setup you go by our security setup no so um we are um we have our security right like we are built in the aws on the aws cloud right so aws is amazon web services so the vast majority of websites have their cloud in aws even for instance the u.s government has it right the government doesn't have their own cloud it has it in amazon's amazon's cloud so we also leverage aws um and then we have our llms um right like the recommendation models that then are sent and those are not connected that's not on the internet that's not something that someone can log into that's actually just like a code base right that then is run on the data that we've extracted from your systems right we can't see that no one can even access that it's not like this is live on the on the internet right this is like a contained environment um and that's where the recommendations happen so it's not even as if this is like someone can come and can come and penetrate it right we do call apis um but it's not like it's a um yeah it's it's not like it's a live environment on the internet that someone can just hack hack into it's it's it's kind of like technically contained right thank you that is it was that clear okay commissioner kawa yeah i have a couple questions about cost um so there's an initial cost to get you in here to deploy your programs there's also a cost to deploy the agents in each particular department is that my understanding of it no so it'll be like one um initial infra infracost um and that is that call it three hundred thousand dollars and that and then we also put it this way net net five hundred thousand dollars three hundred thousand dollars for the infras infrafee and then up to two hundred thousand dollars assuming we find at least two hundred thousand dollars in savings and then is there a cost to access our data annually um so this is like a yearly subscription right a sas subscription so we'd sell it for a year and you'd have this program for a year um and then it would be up to you whether you decide to renew it or not to keep this ongoing function like on thank you like a sales force or something like that okay thank you so much for your time and your presentation okay thank you all so very much and please let me know if i can answer anything thank you all right at this time we'll ask uh katherine barker to please come up uh for community events and miss barker in your presentation uh just a reminder if anybody wants to contact you to put any presentations up can you please let them know how they can do it okay we have a few we have a few more events coming up uh for this month uh let's see we have our movie in the park that is this friday night we are showing twisters uh from last year's version 2024 um this was uh the movie we were supposed to uh play last month but it got rained out so uh we're going to try it again uh this friday night it's over at campbell park uh movie starts at 7 45 approximately or when it gets dark and as always there's free popcorn and lemonade uh while supplies last and when then we have a ton of stuff going on on saturday so we're doing our annual storm drain markup event uh we're doing our storm drain markup event uh if you'd like to volunteer you can reach out to uh sonia clay in our public works department uh they're going to meet up at the del parking lot of the deltona plaza at eight o'clock in the morning to do that that's 1200 deltona boulevard and then vima uh they are doing their uh a car and motorcycle show uh that is also saturday from 11 a.m to 5 p.m and this is to raise awareness for veterans suffering from ptsd and this is also in the deltona plaza and then saturday again saturday is uh this is a huge event uh that's being put on by the hispanic association uh the annual latin fest this is event is a ton of fun always a big turnout live music uh food and drink vendors dancing it's just a ton of fun uh that's 11 a.m to 7 p.m over at dewey and again saturday night uh uh we have not had good luck with our concerts of late uh there's been a lot of rain on the weekends uh frank bang the blues band that was supposed to play uh this past saturday uh they're going to try again uh this saturday night so go to land fest uh and then go over to the uh to the amphitheater uh concert free concert so ton of fun 7 p.m is the start for that show and then this is a community event that i was alerted to uh the deltona community gardens they are doing a fall festival and plant sale and that's october 4th and that's over at van park uh 11 or 10 a.m to 2 p.m and i wanted to mention a couple more october events because they're at the beginning of the month we're doing another community shred day uh these have been quite popular in the past we've done a couple but it's going to be october 11th uh 9 a.m to noon uh here at city hall in the parking lot any old paperwork you don't need you can bring it in and they will shred it for you right there and then uh we are doing a another spruce up deltona that same weekend uh both saturday and sunday 7 a.m to 5 p.m we'll have uh dumpsters on day road behind the the post office you can bring things like large furniture mattresses yard waste household items things like that we don't accept uh large appliances or hazardous materials but that's just a good opportunity to clean up and that's what we have going on over the next few weeks but uh like the mayor said if you have any events that you want this uh residents to know about contact me i will share it c barker at deltonafl.gov thank you miss barker this time we're going to go into old business if i can please have the city attorney read section 7a your your mic's not on and she is there's only two people up here so there you go it's probably not charged that's what probably it is thank you so much oh very good you're going to want to have to share with the city manager as well because his doesn't turn on you got it all right um this is resolution number 2025-123 a resolution of the city of deltona florida authorizing the city manager or designee to execute the amended and restated agreement with waste pro of florida incorporated for solid waste collection disposal and transportation services in accordance with rfp number 18021 and the exclusive commercial solid waste franchise providing for implementation and an effective date at this time i'll entertain the motion vice mayor harriet in a second i'd like to uh approve resolution number 2025-123 awarding an agreement between the city of deltona and waste pro to provide solid waste collection services there's a motion by vice mayor harriet is there a second there's a second by commissioner santiago is there any public comment pat blodgett please miss blodgett can you please click on your microphone so i can turn you on light in january uh waste pro gave us something that gave us paperwork that it was going to be $22.83 that was in january and in march they came back to $23.01 okay that's 18 cents difference in two months okay um now the city proposes $260 a year per person per household does that cover the tipping charges and admin charges and it looks like uh waste pro says that this includes recycling which we don't do so i just want some answers to these questions david masco please dav markle hanley street uh good evening mayor commissioners um as the previous woman just stated january 30th of 25 we started to look at the the contract and then again on march 6 we looked at the contract again and then in may of 25 it was moved to the city manager to negotiate what i'd like to know is why weren't bids open to shop around for rates you know any fiscally responsible commission would ensure that we're following the proper procedures when we're up for renewal for contracts additionally as the lady just mentioned about the recycling i think we need to look at our charter because in our charter it says me as a resident have to provide a recycle day a yard trash day and a regular trash pickup it also says that the city manager will provide information to the residents on the recycling program so if this is true why don't we have recycling also the math is not mathing up when you look at 1594 a household for 12 months that's 191 dollars and 28 cents okay but we're going to 260 dollars a month four percent of 191 is seven dollars there's a note in here about 600 000 in savings well when you take the 23 that was given on march the second time that we spoke with waste management and you take that time the 36 000 residents you get 250 000 of savings so i think there's a lot of fluff in this contract along with the budget but i think that we need to investigate this more it's probably late now but i don't understand why time after time we come down to the final month four weeks to make decisions that affect every resident that is moving people out of our city except for developers it's ridiculous that is public comment commissioner howington thank you um yeah i had just looked at the numbers as well and the chart that we were given it looks like as of october 1st of 2025 the annual cost will be 191.28 and then as of october of 2026 it would be 214.56 followed by 238.80 in the following year so i'm not sure what the difference is am i looking at something that's not accurate because i'm quoting the same numbers that he had as well good evening mayor commission um i'm not really sure where those numbers are coming from what's attached to the agenda item is what the yeah so the the total monthly cost that was negotiated with waste pro was 1594 so where the 600 000 number is coming from is that when we were told in march a total annual assessment of 276 12 it's 276 12 minus 260 is 16 dollars and 12 cents times 36 419 parcels so that's where the total reduction in pricing is coming from i guess what's confusing me is that 1594 for 12 months would be 191 28 so i don't but but we have the 4.19 cents per parcel tipping fee the dollar 50 per month administration fee which covers administrative staff and the additional it allocate all the allocations so that's where we come up with the 216 annual assessment so what's not this this this agenda item only covers the waste pro component it doesn't cover the the tipping fee which is a pass-through from volusia county that the city pays directly nor does it cover the city administrative fee of the dollar 50 and was there a third fee there that i missed i heard the four dollars the dollar 50 it's those three fees only that adds up to 2163 times 12 which is 259.56 so with the collection of the monies that are out there then that keeping it an even number is that will help to curb the increase that's next year which has already been set in stone by waste pro that they've guaranteed the rates for the next three years and weight the tipping fee from volusia county will increase by the cpi index that's um cpi and fuel adjustment will be determined by the adjustments as addressed in the contract and both the increases are the same cpi index that waste pro redmond consulting and volusia county are following so it's universal across all three and then to answer the question on the contract the initial contract that we did in 2018 for waste pro allowed for a seven-year renewal um i don't have it up but i can put it up but except for the county all the municipalities in this region use waste pro its economies of scale we did look into based on what was done by a neighboring city when they put their bid out it's just no one else is coming into the area because waste pro has this region for waste management come back to me in a minute i have another question commissioner caldwell yes i believe maritza asked last week if we could have a copy of last year's contract or the last contract and the current contract that we're negotiating um i don't think that's been provided to us so you know it's hard to see what we're losing what we're gaining i understand that uh mr redmond spoke to uh waste pro the following morning and was able to get some of the things put back in um that we are lost um with that i'd like for him to speak on this is that possible there's not an issue with the commission sure redmond would you like to speak mr redmond i'm looking for i want to be clear on what was added back in during the talks from the initial night we had a vote on it to table it uh yes sir uh bill redmond with the redmond consulting group first of all mr mckinney is correct in the uh tipping fee the tipping fees from last year to this year went up by the county 4.8 percent and that's totally out of your control that's the county um what we did do um when we met with uh miss hayes and mr mckinney i stated based on the contract renewals and recent bids of municipalities in the area to expect a rate of in in the range of 1662 to 1732 that waste pro would be uh probably seeking as it turned out the city has been fortunate enough to negotiate a price somewhat under that estimated number and the price of 1594 for the first year and you won't even reach what i had uh contended what waste pro would be looking at uh till the second or third year um what we've added back in to the contract is the administrative charges that is the teeth of the contract for compliance and one of the issues that was brought up in the last meeting was the placement of the containers and how after after collection that is actually a waste probe requirement that was put in place by waste probe management previously due to the fact that we were receiving a tremendous amount of complaints from residents here about leaving the containers in the middle of the driveways blocking the mailbox and impeding the mail delivery and containers being blown over by passing traffic waste probe management implemented this requirement on their on their collection crews to eliminate these complaints and currently has required required it in other contracts as well as requested it um mr dolan had made a statement that it was 150 dollar penalty and it's not it's 25 penalty and we uh we make sure that they comply with that but the way but what we added back in commissioner was the administrative charges that we had originally written in 2018 2017 and like say that's the teeth of the contract for compliance and you've got 37 600 residents here and there's multiple opportunities for non-compliance so i'll be happy to ask there any other questions you might have thank you thank you commissioner howington i'm going to go back to you thank you um one of my concerns is that this is a seven-year contract with three-year pricing now would it make more sense to do a three-year with two two-year options or i mean because it seems weird to sign a seven-year contract without a guarantee in pricing typically that would be tied to cpi or something so it does cause a little bit of concern to sign a seven-year contract without any sort of guarantees and that we're just locked into that mayor may i respond so the contractee is right behind you so let him respond first and then we can go back to you mr redmond ma'am um if mr redmond we're going to hear from them first and then we'll go back to you um there is a five percent cpi cap built into the agreement so that would be so each year for the full seven years it would not exceed the five percent even if so if cpi happened to be seven percent which we hope that would never happen right it would be capped at five okay okay thank you my response ma'am is that in our review and and with the contracts and the various municipalities that we deal with the involution flag the county i believe if you would have gone out to the marketplace you would not that your crew would not have been able to obtain the price that they did thank you so much mr redmond is there any other questions on the dais no can we please vote motion passes five to one this time we're going to go to new business new business 8 8a if i can please have the city attorney read the resolution thank you mayor this is resolution number 2025-136 a resolution of the city commission of the city of deltona florida relating to the provision of solid waste services facilities and programs in the city of deltona reimposing solid waste assessments against benefited property for the fiscal year beginning october 1st 2025 approving the assessment role providing for application of assessment proceeds providing for conflicts severability scrivener's errors and an effective date thank you at this time i'll entertain a motion and a second before we begin discussion vice mayor harriet i'll make a motion to adopt resolution number 2025-136 it's a motion by vice mayor harriet is there a second second by commissioner santiago is there any public comment okay is there any questions from the dais all right can we please vote motion passes five to one this time we'll go to section 8b as in boy if i can please have the city attorney read the resolution please thank you mayor this is resolution number 2025-135 a resolution of the city commission of the city of deltona florida affirming the estimated assessment rates for the fiscal year beginning october 1st 2025 for stormwater street lighting aquatic weed control and nuisance abatement providing for conflicts severability scrivener's errors and an effective date okay at this time i understand a motion vice mayor harriet thank you mayor i want to be uh very clear that the the aquatic weed control is only for lake mcgarrity i believe yes so it's not um what we have all discussed we know at nazium so um i'll make a motion to adopt resolution number 2025-135 there's a motion by vice mayor harriet is there a second second by commissioner santiago is there any public comment tim blodgett please oh you went too far mr blodgett if you can just push the button so i can turn you on there you go okay uh just following through on uh stormwater kittens turn into cats puppies turn into dogs and floodwaters turn into sand hills so let's not forget why we need the stormwater uh taxes to go up uh seem that uh we did a lot of catch-up last year we need to forge ahead we need to pump we need to dredge we need to open up those swales we need to um find a storage area where we can put a burrow pond and um maybe then we can kill the swamp monster that lives here in deltona so uh i say vote yes bye have a good night by the way you look marvelous thank you mr blodgett that ends up the comment all right let's try any questions from the dais all right can we please vote motion passes six to zero this time we're going to go ahead and enter into the consent agenda item is there any city attorney first and then i'll go no uh commissioner avila vasquez may i like to pull um b b as in boy yes okay thank you all right is there any others that we need to pull no all right vice mayor motion i'll make a motion to approve consent agenda items a and c there's a motion by vice mayor harriet to approve consent agenda items a through c commissioner avila vasquez second second by commissioner avila vasquez is there any public comment on those consent agenda items okay all right can we please go ahead if there's no questions on the dais can we please go ahead and vote for a and c motion passes six to zero at this time i am going to give the floor to commissioner avila vasquez if you can just turn on your speaker please there you go uh regarding uh the request for approval and if i can please just have the city attorney read it out for the record uh this is a request for approval to suspend taking payment for animal licensing while staff and legal review chapter 14 animals um and this is just while we do that work um which is that review of chapter 14 of the code the recommendation is to just suspend licensing collection uh of those fees while we're in review but i'll turn it to danny thank you commissioner avila vasquez before we turn it to danny yeah so okay so you're saying is that we're no longer going to be giving our licenses or they can go somewhere else what would be their option while we are working on this uh good evening um danny round co-compliance uh just for the evening tonight on this agenda the item is just to suspend taking payments from the customers from the residents when animal licensing this is uh we are currently reviewing chapter 14 which is the animal ordinance um one of the recommendation i think um the vice mayor cup couple of workshops ago recommended maybe just eliminating the fees but still have the licensing i think that's the route we want to take um but we we we're working with legal to kind of clean up um chapter 14 some suggestions i think there's no state law when it comes to dangerous dogs we are updating that information and that's just a request tonight it's just to spend suspend taking payments to the residents on animal license we will still issue them but no payments and that's all that was my question um you know are you still going to issue them even though you're not uh requesting that is correct we still don't issue it's just we would like to spend uh taking the money in okay thank you mayor i'd like to make a motion to approve uh consent agenda b um resolution no that's not it um just the um item b there's a motion by commissioner viva vasquez and a second by vice mayor harriet uh before we go to a vote i still have a couple of you on the board uh commissioner colwell um yes can we can we make this a time certain can we make this time certain how much time do you need uh mr ron and we're going to bring this back in october um we already oh sorry we our goal is to bring it back for first reading in october um but we i would prefer to give you a time certain next week if that's okay just so we can make sure we get it all ready and advertised in time for first reading in october meeting okay commissioner howington so the intent at this time is to remove the fee going forward after the suspension is that kind of what we see happening that is correct ma'am i actually like that idea thank you vice mayor harriet thank you mayor i um appreciate calwell's perspective i do like the idea of doing a time certain but we all know how this commission shuffles things around so i just want to make sure that we're not um handcuffing ourselves and putting us getting us into a spot that you know we're running up and we have to rush an ordinance versus getting it done correctly okay can we please vote motion passes six to zero at this time we're going to go ahead and go into ordinances and public hearings if i can please have the city attorney read the public ordinance thank you mayor um this is second reading of ordinance number two three dash two zero two five an ordinance of the city of deltona florida amending the general ordinances chapter 66 traffic and vehicles to update regulations related to parking and vehicles providing for conflicts codification severability and an effective date thank you is this time i'll entertain a motion and a second commissioner avila vasquez yes i make a motion to approve public hearing ordinance ordinance number 23 dash 2025 amending the general ordinances chapter 66 traffic and vehicles to update the regulations related to parking and vehicles at the second and final reading thank you commissioner vice mayor harriet second i have a motion by commissioner avila vasquez and a second by vice mayor harriet is there any public comment matthew bergens please mr smith can you please click on the mic so he can thank you so much matthew bergens el tono um going through this tonight i didn't know there was a first reading i've been trying to pay attention for this um but um i want to first wanted to point out that uh i live over over by tivoli and saxon and there's a fire department over on providence maybe five six minutes away if you're driving normally i had a resident near me pass away that was the first responder it took six and a half minutes for fire rescuers get there because they're weaving in now traffic and you want to put add three cars for the house to park on the sides and back uh you did a youtube video it says you went from that same fire department station down by the racetrack in four and a half minutes and using um using the saxon it was it was on the you had it on your uh i think it was on deltona channel but it was like a youtube video it showed you right in with the fire department but but it took six it took six and a half minutes to go from the right there at that fire station to where i'm at and it's it's not even that far so um that's because they had weaving out of traffic and we want to start allow parking on the streets parking everywhere else this ordinance is saying that you want to increase from two to three parking on the streets um because for the side and back and then you want to increase two to three for rvs and recreational vehicles uh you want to allow you know all these other things going on it's inconsistency because you're saying that you can't park in front of your yard and that you have to park on designated sparking on your lot but then you're allowing this extra parking so there's no consistency in this chapter as well and then we set aside for a committee to come together to do these ordinances and then we're reviewing them now so there's a lot of different things going on that's not lying aligning to what was told to the public so you know there's a lot of things just going on that doesn't line for this section as you know for parking in deltona and then lining with the committee that was set up for reviewing ordinances but um there's a lot of things that need to be reviewed before it's passed because the terminology is not lining up you put ada on some of it then you list as disabled uh and then like i said you're you're adding two to three to add more parking on the road or more parking on the side of somebody's house and but then in another part of the same section you're telling them that they can only park in designated areas that's allowed on the lot and then you're having people who have three to four house bedrooms have six or seven cars in their yard and then we're having issues with code compliance and all this other things going on in deltona and you drive down sacks and drive down other areas and you see nothing but cars parked everywhere so there's a lot of things i think needs to be reviewed before we approve it and get it the final approval thank you that is public comment thank you uh jordan if you can please come up and i know commissioner call while you're on the mic good evening mayor commission so for clarification um we're allowing a maximum of three vehicles may be parked in the side or rear yards so that's for clarification um at the last city commission meeting commissioner call asked about vehicles that were under 10 000 pounds um so we revised the ordinance to say smaller vehicles that have been substantially modified with equipment or attachments can have the same impact as larger commercial vehicles these will not be regulated as if they exceed 10 000 pounds enforcement officers will use state david system or the vehicle's compliance label to confirm the weight um cdl requirements and registration and then we also built in an ada exception to ensure residents with accessibility needs are not penalized vehicles equipped with wheelchair lifts or other ada devices are allowed to and do not count against the vehicle maximums and those are the changes between first and second reading thank you commissioner call while you were first and then commissioner i have a question and referring to his question there as far as parking in the side yard the three vehicles what do we do on a corner lot is when you're parking the side what is designated as the side you're on a corner lot you're on two adjacent streets this is on a corner lot you would essentially have parking behind the house it would be behind the house okay um in the uh 10 000 pound ground weight does that include box trucks now we were using the database uh what florida state uses is the drivers of vehicles information database okay and that will provide us the the vehicle gross weight on that vehicle um and that's how we would determine if it's a commercial commercial vehicle you know with when it comes to box trucks we also got to look at the height the length from front to rear and and the weight and it all falls in what category as a commercial vehicle what are those parameters just well if it's under the 10 uh 10 feet um under 10 000 pounds we do allow them on the property as long as it's probably parked behind the front face of the house okay anything over 10 000 pounds we would not allow in the residential area at all yeah and just i'm going to clear up when we say three vehicles parked on the property in the back or the rear that would include a vehicle a boat and a camper that's correct okay all right thank you commissioner vila vascos thank you mayor so um jordan when when we say going back to the question when we say the three allowed vehicles we're not saying that they're allowed to park on the right of way and we're not saying they're allowed to park on the streets they're parking on their property in a section that's identified like the side of their house am i correct that is correct commissioner because i can say um from the gentleman's comment i have to go through tivoli to go home and i can tell you that while i'm driving home at night there's no room available on the right of ways on tivoli so i'm thinking that maybe that's the problem that we're having that there's too many cars parked on the right way on tivoli and um i don't know if um the new chief can answer my question but are we are we still having problems on the turn on tivoli with the fire trucks or was that that was um fixed remember when they first put the uh the medium yeah they accidentally put a pole there they took it down they took it down they also they also took the center median in a little bit so that there was a turn radius so that's not the cost of no delay in anything no it's time of day is really the biggest thing school zones traffic that's on at the intersection time lights that are activated so but the cars do get in the way in at times everywhere in the city yes okay i i that's the first thing i thought about because i know when they first put the that middle part i mean the trucks had to drive a little further down to make that turn to go around the area so but thank you for your response and jordan thank you and danny thank you thank you commissioner santiago yeah i just have a quick question for i think danny um this will prevent people from parking on the right-of-way correct so you'll be correct we are eliminating parking in the right-of-way so how will you so if you see somebody parking there um the what they'll they'll get a what's good tell me the process that you're initially going to start um promoting it letting everybody know it's it's a big change when it comes to parking because we do allow them currently right you know no more than two days within the seven-day period you know um as long as they you know traveling parked in direction traffic and all that so we will put out there campaigning and let them know hey this is a new ordinance and we need we need to make get this corrected um i would depending on the commission how long that will take um i'm thinking maybe 30 days and after that we'll start doing enforcement actions on the right-of-way parking okay i just don't agree with the right-of-way parking giving somebody a ticket and then i guess come back because there are people we have residents here that have family and how can you differentiate someone from visiting their parents or their kids coming and parking on the right-of-way i just think this is excessive i really think that we're going to come back and change it we are i do believe that this is not uh i just don't agree with it i that just don't know how you're going to handle over 100 000 residents here in deltona parking in the right-of-way so okay thank you commissioner viva lovasquez thank you mayor so i'm going to talk from experience um i don't think we're stopping people from using the right-of-way to a certain length of time um but i can tell you that what's underneath that right-of-way are pipes electrical wiring cable wiring that's what's underneath that and i can tell you that one morning i woke up and from my house up at the hill i heard a gush of water and when i went downstairs my street is called waterfall i literally had a waterfall on my street i don't know how much the city spent to repipe that whole round circle and what we found was a dumpster that was put on the other side of the circle i don't know how long it's been there but that that part is there's a stream underneath am i correct danny there's a stream underneath um of the side of my property and that dumpster just kept sinking sinking and sinking for the long time that it was there that's what cost the water main bright pipe and it cost the city a lot of money to fix that so i don't think the city is saying you can't park on the right-of-way and maybe you know family's over a day or two but i can tell you that when i first got elected my first ride along was with danny and danny said that car has been parked there too long and i said how do you know he said look at the tires they're sunk on the road so if you ever see a car on the right of way and you think that oh they've been there a day look at the tires like danny said to me and you'll know how long they've been there by how into the dirt that the tires are so you know we just have to protect i i don't think we're restricting anybody from parking on the right-of-way but i think we have to watch out because there's a lot of water main breaks that you know a lot of piping and wiring that are being affected by that thank you danny i think danny for clarity we are talking about restricting parking on the right-of-way correct yes that's what this law is that's it we're eliminating parking in the right way yeah under a different ordinance they're different or this it's it is in this chapter right this is a chapter this time okay gotcha danny before we go to a vote and commissioner caldwell i'll come to you right now can we just clarify visitors we will take consideration right i read it but i want to yeah we'll take into consideration when there is most of the times on the weekends gatherings we can tell the difference it's it's also protecting our stormwater system the right-of-way that's where our stormwater is supposed to be going as long as we educate residents that's really all i care commissioner caldwell please go ahead i must have the button hit but to maritza's point i hope the resident with the dumpster that damages thing was charged for the repairs vice mayor thank you mayor um i think that we do have a lot of issues with this across the city and um and it's not the issue with people parking on the right-of-way and and being active and coming and visiting and going it's uh in my district we have a lot of people that are i don't want to say abandoned but that's borderline the vehicle's been abandoned on the right-of-way where the grass is dead and it's it's now becoming an issue with stormwater eroding away the right-of-way yeah okay um no further discussion can we please vote motion passes four to two at this time we're going to go ahead and go into section uh action items 11a uh if i can please have the city attorney read the action item and we'll go directly to commissioner howington because it is her appointment thank you so much mayor before we move on i just want to clarify in the last ordinance so one of you made a comment that you want the residents to be updated can you just give us a little clarity what your vision for that i said i wanted to i want to make sure we're educating the residents on for example if they're there for two days great third day you're going to get some type of citation that's what i mean it's educating the residents it's not that we're going to catch it on the third day it's that we have the ability to catch it and if we do catch it then this is what the ordinance says so you might get away with it for however long but this is the new ordinance and i i to staff's point i think they're they've already acknowledged that there's going to be a public uh information campaign on this which i think is absolutely critical it will state in the ordinance if there's like uh let's say a party at a house and they're parking on the right-of-way it will state that that that will be there there is language about that um mr ron if we could get you back here if we can have those conversations outside too because it's kind of tough we're we're having multiple discussions in the in the inside the chambers we we really only need to have one i i believe they have a question for you i believe the city attorney has a question the chapter include the parties cars parked there or just using our own opinion in the end you click on the podium please i everybody's clicking on the button we we already voted on this let's not make it a thing let's get a simple answer and then we'll go to calwell because he's been waiting for a while and then commissioner howington let's give her the dignity because she's up next so let's let's try to move forward okay yeah we want to be clear that is not in this ordinance it does not have a definition about parties it does not talk about parties that that is not a portion of this um we we had talked with staff they're going to do a 30-day implementation period and a public information campaign um and during the 30 days they'll only issue notices not citations but after that they will move to citations as long as it's in there we can add it on there commissioner calwell i saw you you've been on for a bit so hold on give me i just want to clarify your question that you know the people will be noticed for at least 30 days before anything's implemented that's correct all right that was it okay perfect so let's go ahead and let's move forward uh city attorney you're going to read the action item please i i again i'm so sorry i just want to close the loop back on this ordinance so you all moved it and passed it at second reading so it's been adopted correct however it sounds like you want there to be language about party no you do not you're fine with it as drafted we not defined my comment i was the one that made the comment was make sure we educate our residents very good that we have a bad habit we pass ordinances and then the residents surprise you know i i get not knowing something does not exempt you from the law but i just it doesn't take much to go on social media or on our website and just educate our residents so if you can please read the action item before we one thing mayor i just want to clarify dan if you can come up for a second what is the rule on vehicles that we have because we've gone around this for some time so we ticket a vehicle the vehicle moves how many days do they have to move the ticket gets thrown out three days later they park in the same spot we ticket them the car moves the infraction is corrected there is no bill right ticket two days later they parking its vehicles move so how do we do we have a rule that's third offense fourth offense or is it every time they move it um depending on state law i know in um in our fee schedules i find schedules it does multiply the first offense is fifty dollars second one is a hundred dollars and it goes up like that um of course it has to be ruled in front of a judge um you know guilty the first time if not we'll be going to repeat in 50 to 50 50 50 50 until we actually get a um a judgment from a judge on a on a guilty verdict and when it comes to that but if we warn them and they move the vehicle the next infraction starts over again correct there is no automatic step up this ordinance changes everything on this policy this is an entirely new way of doing things there is that that way that old way is gone it is absolutely prohibited there is no time limit and there is a escalating schedule out that's accurate but there is no three days and then you get it waived that is gone this replaces that it is absolutely prohibited full stop yeah thank you can you please that was an issue with staff in the past we're good then thank you for indulging us we just want to make sure we enact your will so thank you very much um this is uh action item 11a consideration of appointments to the planning and zoning board um and i'm going to turn this over to uh commissioner howington commissioner howington your mic is on thank you i move to appoint the following member to the planning and zoning board for a term to expire on march 15th 2026 larry french there's a motion by commissioner howington is there a second commissioner colwell there's a second by commissioner colwell is there any public comment all right can we please go ahead and vote motion passes six to zero and uh city attorney do we have to pick on a on the torn alternative would that have to be done today we prefer it done today we can wait till we have seven we could do that yeah yeah let's go ahead and wait till we have seven on the dais all right all right so uh let's go ahead and move forward city attorney any comments thank you so much mr mayor um i know that we've had a lot going on lately so we appreciate all y'all for the the good work and service that you you give to the city um and uh we wanted to just give you a very brief update about the um litigation in the senate bill 180 matter um i did reach out and and connected with jamie cole at y serota um and they're they're the firm that the city has contracted with to lead this uh litigation um there are uh two counties at least at the moment and and a good amount of other cities um that have joined they are do plan to file in leon county in about a week so it's going to be in or around september 22nd um and we just wanted to keep you all posted once it's filed we'll uh we'll send you all a copy so you have it for your file and are happy to answer any questions ongoing thank you city manager any comments thank you mayor two quick ones just want to congratulate the fire chief uh key to the city is is a great thing for him overall the best words you could say about the fire chief snyder is he's a good man just overall just a good solid guy he did let me know that he tried to key on every door in city hall and uh apparently it doesn't work the other is just uh monday night's meeting september 22nd we remind very important for citizens and the commission alike uh it would be the district six position discussion as well as the second reading of the budget that'll be this monday coming up september 22nd thank you thank you uh this time we're going to go to city commission comments request from reports we'll start with commissioner santiago thank you mayor uh just really quick um just a reminder the latin festival is this saturday at dewey boston beginning at 11 a.m lots of music uh cultural food um beautiful event um kid zone um performances so come on out love to see you all there um i also wanted to thank the mayor for having the charlie kirk prayer vigil at city hall um yesterday was just a beautiful event we had uh over seven pastors i believe from the areas just come and and it really i would thank the um the citizens that came out it was very well attended um and i just wanted to say thank you to the mayor for doing that thanks that's all i have commissioner vila vasquez you may thank you mayor so i would have attended i wasn't invited um so i also want to give a big shout out to the festival of nations that was held saturday what an amazing event we had 10 groups performing from different countries 27 dances all together and it was amazing but it couldn't have been done without the help of city staff our pio our parks and recs our deltona fire department were awesome they were all on hand to make sure that this event took a nice start and a nice ending i mean it was a good turnout food truck vendors and stuff like that and i know we promoted as hispanic heritage month but i can tell you that in south american country it's called el mes de la raza which means the month of the race so in our event we were promoting different races and it was beautiful china i know mark i don't know if he's here mark um from parks and recs he was in love with the chinese dancers um so um hopefully next year we can we can do it again i also uh want to once again promote the vima fundraiser which is a the ptsd fundraiser it's at deltona plaza and i don't know how i'm going to do this but i have to run over to the sons and daughters of italy that are doing the san generos festival for the first time here in the city of deltona they're on doyle it's free to the community unfortunately they're sold out on the buffet but if you want to go hang out with us and just listen to beautiful dance to beautiful old music not that we're old we just like oldies um you know everybody's welcome to attend so thank you so much thank you the city for giving us the opportunity to do such a beautiful bring back such a beautiful event that we had you know what the beauty of it was that most of the dancers were kids they were young adults and that's so beautiful that they're able to um share different culture and stuff with with the audience we even had the uh god i hope i pronounced it right muscogee the muscogee florida native indians here performing as well that was a big hit so thank you everyone who attended thank you um um everyone for being here tonight and get home safe commissioner howington thank you um you know commissioner vila vasquez you thanked everybody but you deserve a thank you because that was your event and you did an excellent job bringing that to the city sorry um which brings me to my next topic i just wanted to make one more plea to everybody here i know i've been on a kick for rollback we've got a lot of challenges this year and i'm very hopeful that we can come up with some ideas to bring the idea of a rollback forward this year um i'm still concerned we are charging taxpayers way too much on the litigation fees i'd like to see that drop down to about 300 000 that would be a savings of 700 000 that would get us to almost a full rollback which if i'm calculating right we're about 0.1 or 1.5 mils over which is or 0.15 which is 854 000 so that puts us almost there um however you know per gap i know everybody's talking about our financial audits and how we follow gap gap does not require us to collect these funds so i think it is fiscally responsible to reduce the amount given that we don't know what an sb 180 lawsuit is going to cost however i know some people have angst about that and so with that said um i would like to look at some of my park funds for my district i've spoken to some of my residents that actually use the parks our littler residents and i've i have an idea of where we could potentially roll back and with that we can focus on getting the stormwater lake mitigation as well as maybe spread some funds out across a couple different parks rather than just one and get us to a full rollback but i don't know if the commission would be willing to work on that option i think it's very important that we hear our residents they've been asking for a full rollback for years and i'm coming to the table with an option to get us there but i guess it just depends on everybody else's thoughts on that it does not impact anybody else's districts other than it helps the residents i just wanted to ask i don't know if we can take a consensus or if you guys just want to think about it and we can talk i think that would be we'll go to city attorney i think that would be more appropriate for budget on monday happy to wait for budget but i will tell you um we're happy i mean obviously estimates are estimates and money in a budget is fungible so i think it's perfectly reasonable um to reduce that substantively um and you know if if litigation comes in we know we we are served with it and we have 20 days or 30 days to respond so we we have some latitude um and we'll obviously bring it back to you all and if we need to make recommendations throughout the year we can but um i i certainly see the wisdom um of being conservative and certainly we would not a million dollars is a substantive number and we may never ever even get close to that so again an estimate is an estimate for a reason and certainly that's at the very high end of the range so i think the low end of the range um is is more than reasonable and and with that said i mean there is gap guidance our our codification specifically says you need to be able to reasonably create an estimate we don't have any reasonable basis for this at this point and then with that it also has to be probable that we would end up having to pay out and at this time our guidance has not been indicative of a probable payout so that's also one of my reasons but i don't think that it's in our best interest to just wipe it out and not not have anything to reflect the potential cost so commissioner i don't think it's a great idea i would actually support that but i would i would plea with you that we do it during the budget when the residents are here so they can not actually comment on that that's fine i just want to float it i didn't want to wait and hit everybody with it at the last minute and i appreciate that people can digest it and and think about what options we might have and that's all i have for tonight thank you thank you commissioner caldwell yes i'm going to read from an email that was sent to me in a request to ask certain questions um in regards to our lean department being dissolved and outsourced um this person and myself is looking for justification for outsourcing this department the process and timeline that led to this elimination of this position and the measures of commissioner caldwell we can't hear i'm so sorry we just can't hear you justification for outsourcing this department at this time the process and timeline that led to this elimination of these positions and the measures if any taken to ensure no retail retaliatory action was directed towards an employee with that i'm going to add there how many positions did we lose when we dissolved the lean department uh there is no dissolving of the lean department we've been talking about going to the uh internet-based lean program back probably august of last year a year ago so uh for your questions we could put a report together to explain everything including all the cost savings okay um so you'll include the cost in that because that was my next question the call there is no cost for the company it's the cost of the uh person at the home that wants to do a lien it's a 10 service charge so there's actually no additional cost to the city all right um i'd like to get a report on all the fines and liens that we have out there right now vice mayor wants it for each district and in particular i'm looking for one um which was requested for harmony medical i would like the what that was from inception to where we're at today with that for both buildings and back to my other question how many positions were eliminated and would we have better use those putting them putting them back into code enforcement i don't have that information right now and i'd rather not talk publicly about employee positions but we can discuss that in the report that we'll put together for you thank you you're good okay vice mayor harriet thank you mayor um maritza thank you very much for your dedication to the festival of nations um i heard from a lot of people not just up here tonight but a lot of our neighbors that that event went off without a hitch and was very very much appreciated that it has returned um also mayor thank you for the event that you championed last night uh wasn't able to attend but uh regret regretfully so i saw it on facebook i wasn't formally invited but i did see it on facebook um commissioner howington thank you for bringing that option to the board to the commission i think it's worth worth looking at i also think that there's a lot to be there's a lot that are a lot of unknowns when it comes to uh sp 180 we know that there's going to be a cost involved uh but trying to or taking out uh that much and saying that it's you know we're going to do this to get to roll back i think is not the responsible thing to do but i would propose that rather than identifying that for those specific legal fees that we budget that in reserves so that at future point when we know more we have that available uh to come back to the commission uh for discussion in a budget amendment um after that i don't have any additional comments thank you thank you so much uh just a quick clarification i didn't invite anybody on the dais because i i just posted on social media so for the the prayer vigil um i just have literally one thing so we had uh one of our schools in district one friendship elementary was broken into by two middle school students they've been caught the school sustained around fifty thousand dollars worth of damages so um you know they're putting together a list an amazon wish list uh i spoke to reuben who please uh keep him in your prayers he's he's in the hospital uh it's not my place to say what for but uh he's he's been in the hospital since since friday um but the school is going to go ahead and do the gutting and remodeling of that media center for those of us that obviously were not elementary school we remember that element the media center as an elementary student was the place to go that was where you went to kind of let your mind go out there and think about the ai stuff and how you can create it and and cool things like that so uh keep an eye out for that let's as a community come together and uh help help this school i i got there the media person was crying um it's really it was really bad uh i i don't know why on earth these kids would do that so uh let's just uh come together as a community help them out uh maritza congratulations on your vima jacket and you wore it through the whole commission meeting so anyways that's that's that's all i have uh finally there's some weird allergy or flu going around i know my youngest daughter has been sick for a couple days so just uh make sure you take your vitamin c everybody have a good night meetings adjourned