But knowing what a comet is doesn't mean it can't cause... That miniature is taking a lot of time. I'm telling you. Okay, it's 3 o'clock. If everyone would please stand. And Mr. Henry, would you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice. This is the Planning and Zoning Board slash Local Planning Agency. It's an advisory board which makes recommendations to the county commissioners who will make the final decision on these items. Items on today's agenda will be heard by the county commission on September 10, 2026, at 5 p.m. When a motion ends in any kind of a split vote, a roll call vote may be taken to ensure accuracy. As a reminder, each member who makes a motion or a second needs to turn their microphone on so that your voice is on the record. Speakers for public comment on the agenda items will be given two minutes. Please spell your last name for the record. At this time, if any board member has had any ex parte communication regarding any application, please disclose so now. All right, seeing that, I bring it back. I need a motion for the approval of the PNZ minutes from July 13, 2026. Motion to approve. Got a motion by Neal, a second by Ruth. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That passed unanimously. And we would like to welcome Ms. Tracy Overton. Thank you for coming. Okay, item H1. Item H1. Marta, Lydia, Ramos, Cordero, Carlos David, Flores, Oscar, Orlando, Maya, Orga, Ramos. Request variants, request change of zoning classification from GMLI to RU-1-11. Applications 26Z00031, located in District 1. Is the applicant here? Sir, if you could come up to the podium and get as close to that microphone as you can and state your name and address and spell your last name, please. Hi, my name is Carlos Flores, last name F-L-O-R-E-S, property address 6310 Depot Avenue in Cocoa, Florida, 32927. Just a little bit about what you're wanting to do. Yes. So, we are requesting a re-zoning for our property. Currently, it's GMLI, and we are trying to re-zone into single-family residential RU-1-11. So, that's our main request right now. All right, sir, while you're right there, is there anyone in the audience who want to speak for or against this item? I'm going to close this for public comment. I'm going to bring it back to the board. Do we have any questions for the applicant? I have a question. What is the reason that you're trying to re-zone it? For some reason, I don't know what happened. We've been living in the property for nine years so far, and we're selling the property. And the buyer was doing the appraiser report, and then they found out that it was categorized like environment management land. And I did a little bit of digging. That happened back in 1999 by the police department, but they never switched it back. And it never came out when we did or purchased. So, now it came out when we are trying to sell the property. So, we're trying to do the switch from GLML to RU-1-11. So, it's our residence. So, it just really puts it into compliance so that you can sell the property. Make a motion for approval? Second. Second. Got a motion by Ruth on item H1. A second by Jared. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That passed unanimously. Thank you, sir. Good luck with the commissioners. Item H2. Item H2. Henry and Janet have request change of zoning classification from RU-1-7 to RU-1-11. Application is 26C-00027. It's located in District 1. Ma'am, are you the applicant? Yes. You can state your name and address and spell your last name for the record. Will do. Thank you. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Janet Apt, and the last name is spelled A-B-T, Alpha Bravo Tango. A bit about what you want to do, Ms. Janet. All right. I'm requesting approval of rezoning solely to bring the property zoning into consistency with the county's adopted future land use designation. This is not a request to increase density or change the intended use of the property. The rezoning simply aligns the zoning classification with the county's current future land use map, as recommended by county staff. And it's basically, you probably know what the difference is, but RU-1-7 is a smaller, more compact neighborhoods, better for maximizing lot count, more common in newer infill subdivisions. And RU-1-11 is larger lots. Wider space between homes, more traditional suburban feel, often preferred, where adjacent homes are already on larger parcels. And I'm sorry I had to read that. I have stage fright. No reason for that. Okay. And we have been trying to get our home built since April of 2025. And the county just kept, you know, telling us different reasons. And finally, we found out this was the reason. So, here we are. Well, my husband's on travel with business, but. Okay. Well, while you're right there, if you'd hold on one second. Anyone in the audience want to speak for or against this item? Sir, you do? Ms. Janet, if you could just grab a seat right there in the front row. Sir, if you could state your name and address and spell your last name for the record. Yeah, Cody's Bar, 2301 Highway 1, Mims, Florida, 32754, SPAUR. So, basically, we're here just to do a, well, one second. Just bringing the zoning classification into a consistency with the county's adopted future land use. Sorry, I'm not good at speaking in front of people. That's all right. If you could get a little closer to that microphone. So, we're just requesting approval of rezoning simply to bring the property zoning classification into consistency with the county's adopted future land use. Okay. Designation. They're just building one single family house. Right. Thank you, sir. Anyone else want to speak for or against this item? I'm going to close this item for a public comment. Ms. Janet, you can come on back up. I'm going to bring it back to the board. Do we have any questions for her? I do have one quick one. Does this property have multiple addresses? It looked like there was two addresses at the physical location. No, it's actually a flag lot, but all the houses around them, our property is an acre or over, and we're just a little over an acre. So, this is what caused the problem, I believe. It's a flag lot, and none of the other people had to do this because, I don't know why, but we do, so here we are. Thank you. Thank you. And I have a question. So, it looks like there's an active code enforcement for unpermitted clearing and land alteration activities on the property. Is that still an active case? I don't think so, right, Cody? They're just waiting on the property. Hold on one second here. We're going to have to. I'm sorry. We're going to have to get Mr. Cody back up here so we get everything on the record. I didn't give you the address. Do you need that? Yeah, we will hear in just a minute. All right, go ahead. Yeah, we've spoken with county permitting and natural resources. They're just waiting on the rezoning. That's the only thing. Yeah, we have the permit, right? Ms. Erica, does that answer you? But, so there's a, no, it doesn't really answer my question, but it said there's a code enforcement case. Has it been closed out? It is 2-5-10. She can't close it out until they rezone it. I see. So when they rezone it, it will automatically close it out? Okay. Is that, that's true? Yes? No? When they're rezoning, if they're rezoning is approved, then they'll be able to pull the building permit, which will then allow them to go forward with the land clearing, which will cure the natural resources code enforcement case. Thank you. Thank you, sir. I have a question for staff. Ms. Ruth. I was reading through and was talking about the environmental report, and the environmental report said that there were no wetlands on the property, that it was all uplands, but then the natural resources said there were wetlands on the property, and I'm wondering how those two can both be true. Jane's going to come up and explain that. I appreciate that. Thank you. Hi. I'm Jane Hart from natural resources. So natural resources, I'm not sure what you're referring to. I know that there is an environmental assessment that was conducted in July of 2024 that determined that there was no wetlands on site, and it was only uplands, and there was no evidence of protected wildlife species. When natural resources does a review in office, we just look at best available data, and we have maps that we look at, so that may have been mapped with potentially hydric soils or something like that. But then you have to ground truth it, so they're environmental, they send an environmental consultant out to the applicants, I guess. I guess I could be more specific. Its property is located within a mapped FEMA special flood zone hazard, and so I've never met uplands that are in a FEMA flood zone, and so I'm trying to make that make sense in my head. I only have information that was provided to us from their environmental consultant about the wetlands. Because I don't understand how both can be true, how you can be in a flood zone, but how you can be in uplands, and that's an integral part of making this decision. Thank you. Mr. Robert, can you get closer to the microphone, please? The soil map she's referring to shows a large region of hydric soil over most of the property. And the environmental report says that that soil is no longer hydric, that they made an inventory of the plant community in that region and found no hydrophilic plants. Instead, they found this complex of plants that were typical of a drier upland soil. So what they're saying is that the soil type has changed since the 1974 soil survey. So is the FEMA flood zone map wrong, then? I really can't speak to FEMA's maps. Okay. I know that they probably get updated at some points. I'm not sure how, what the date of that one was. Okay. Thank you. I can look into it. Mr. Wadsworth, may I say something? Yes, ma'am. We spent a great deal of money getting engineering out to check the trees we took down, to check the land, and tell us where we need swales and where we need those big concrete things. What are they called? Culvert. Culvert. Culvert, because I know that this particular property is, the road tends to flood. And I know a lot of the people are afraid of us coming in, because we had a meeting last week, and a lot of our neighbors came, and they just wanted to make sure the county knew they have a water problem. But we are taking care of our property, so it shouldn't be anything extra. And we did have an engineering, we have an engineering drawing, we have everything we need to build. Thank you. We just need to get the zoning right. Yes. There we go. Bringing it back to the board. Any more questions? I'll make a motion. A second. Okay, I got a motion by Robert in the back, and a second by Robert in the front. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That passed unanimously. Thank you, Jim. That property? Yes. I don't live there, obviously. That's all right. If you could just give us the address for the record. All right, it's 5275 Andover Street, or I'm not really sure. I haven't been by in a long time, but, and that's in Cocoa, Florida. All right. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you. Item H3. Yes, item H3, Space Coast Discovery, Inc. Request change of zoning classification from AU to INL. Application is 26Z-00028, located in District 3. And, sir, you must be the applicant. Yes, I am. If you could get as close as you can to that microphone and state your name and address and spell your last name for the record. Yes, thank you. I'm Greg Smith, the CEO at Space Coast Discovery. I'm at 3830 Derry Road in Melbourne, Florida, 32904 Smith, S-M-I-T-H. All right. And a little bit about what you're wanting to do. In 2023, the previous administrator had purchased, along with the board, had purchased the property, which was residential, agricultural, and came to the county to ask for it to be able to be converted over to a school so that we could expand our school. The approval for the build-out was given, so the school has spent a little over $253,000 to complete the, convert it from a residence to a school building. And it was, and I came in in 2024, I assumed that the property had been also rezoned at the same time that the approval for the build-out had been done. So, assumptions, right? So, we finished the build-out. It was only when we were applying for it to become a school that we were told that it was still agricultural, residential. So, now we have a building that we can't use for commercial because it's sitting on agricultural land, and we can't also use it for residents because we've reconfigured it to be only a commercial use. So, we've lost not only the money we would have gotten if we, and we did get the occupancy last August, just when we found out about it. So, we've lost about $330,000 in not being able to have students there. Our insurance has gone up because it's a commercial piece of property, even though we're not able to use it in that fashion. And we can't put horses on it or rent it out as a residence either. So, we're asking for it to be rezoned as an industrial property, institutional, excuse me, institutional property. All right, sir, while you're right there, is there anyone in the audience want to speak for or against this item? Seeing that, I'll close it for public comment, bring it back to the board. Do we have any questions for the applicant? I do. Did you say it was a school that you put the construction was for a school? Is that correct? That's correct. We're a special needs school. Special needs school. So, we've been in operation since 86, and that would be an expansion for us. Okay, because I'm just clarifying the terms for myself, what light industrial means, and I wasn't sure if a school fell into that particular. It's institutional. Okay. That's what we've applied for. Thank you. Any other questions from the board? Hi, everyone. This is, there's no house on this property now, right? There's no. We've been converted that house into a one-room schoolhouse to allow. It's right next door to our existing schoolhouse, so there's not a residence on there any longer. We've completely gutted it out, and it's basically a large one-room schoolhouse with a playground behind it. So, what you're going to be proposing to build there will be new build? No, it's, we reconstructed the existing residence into a one-room schoolhouse. Oh, so you're just, that's all you're doing? That's correct. Perfect. Understood. Thank you. I'm going to make a recommendation, and we approve this. Second. Thank you. Item H3, you've got a motion by Henry, a second by Ruth. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That passed unanimously. Thank you. Thank you all very much. We're in school now. Well, that went quick. I guess we'll go meeting adjourned. Got one more item. I'm trying to hurry up. We all can discuss. We'll give you all that much time. There we go. Item H4, request for recommendation, reason, amendment to Section 62-182, Planning and Zoning Board membership appointment and term of members. Well, I know why I didn't, I didn't have that on my first agenda. Is he? I'm sorry. I was looking at paperwork. You want to go again with that, Item H4? Yes, Item H4, request for recommendations, reason, amendments to Section 62-182, Planning and Zoning Board membership appointment and term of members. Now, I do remember it. Mr. Chair, if I could just give you just some context to it. Here we go. Yes, sir. August 4th, 2026, the Board of County Commissioners directed staff to make amendments to that section of code dealing with both P and Z composition as well as the LPA and to modify the quorum requirements for that respective board. So, we're just bringing forward the proposal. It looks like we're going to 10 members for LPA, P and Z and reducing the quorum to three members to conduct official business. Well, I take it, bring it to the board for discussion. Mr. Chairman. Yes, sir. Mr. Ron. The current organization that we have. Can we get a little closer to that, Mike, please, Ron? The current organization that we have has a possibility of having 17 members, and in this physical space, 17 members is, we can't work with it. No. We either have to keep the same organization and find a different place to move, meet, which I'm not recommending, or we change the membership and organization of our board. I would propose that we go back to organization that we had prior to this, where each district had two members and an alternate. And I have a couple suggestions concerning voting and training to go along with this change. And I have one more comment. I'd like to commend the current members for their diligence in attending meetings. While it has created some problems for us, it's nice to know that those people, when they were appointed, made the commitment to come. And so I'd approve that. I directly, I want to commend that. And there's another thing I want to do is commend the current commissioners for appointing people and keeping them appointed to the boards, and keeping, which, those two conditions in the past were not always met. And it created problems for us. I can remember times when we had a quorum of six, and we got a quorum by calling in some alternates at the very last minute. There was one time I think we had to wait for probably 15 or 20 minutes before we could do our business, because we didn't have a quorum. As far as the quorum goes, I would recommend keeping it at six. Right now, we have a, I think three is, it's just too low. I'd recommend keeping the quorum at six. And as far as voting goes, I see a couple of options. One is that each district has two votes and can only vote two. And alternates can only vote when their district has a primary member, regular member, missing. Another choice we have, which we did actually use for a while, is that an alternate can vote if a district only has one regular member in attendance. And so that another member, a district that has two members and has an alternate attending, that alternate could vote and be actually voting, taking the place of that district. Now, the reason I would suggest doing that is because in the past we have had a case where the district commissioner didn't seem to want to appoint members very timely and were missing board members. I think that kind of voting tends to put pressure on that kind of a district commissioner to essentially do his job and appoint the members. So those are the things that I would like to have discussed and recommended. Another thing on training, alternates need to have some time to attend meetings. And I would like to see staff keep track of the alternates' attendance and have them attend meetings at least twice a year. Right now we have room for 13 people. So I think there is time that, and it does, I represent, you know, Alice, I'm sorry, it gives you another task to take care of. But you're doing pretty good with doing that now, and I think it's something that would be useful and doable. So essentially it would be Alice's job to contact all the members, find out which regular members are attending, which ones can't, contact the alternate for that, and try to ensure that there are, including alternates, you know, at least 10 people representing the districts. Thank you. We've still got it open for discussion. I like the idea of the 10-member board and three alternates. I would tend to agree with Mr. Barcher about the training. I know when I got on to planning and zoning, I asked lots of questions, including onboarding, and, you know, do you follow Robert rules of order? Is there some rule and guidebook I can go to to have a complete understanding of the professionalism on this board? And at that time, there was none of that available. And so I think that would be a great asset to anybody who's being appointed to the board to have that, even if they had it to read on their own, but just to have that information and guidance. Sorry. There you go. And I think six for a quorum would be more accurate than three, just my personal opinion. I would also say that I think 10 members, you know, two per district would be fine. And I think five or six for a quorum is plenty, you know, but three might be too few. And then, you know, why not? If people are willing, if we can't find them, then that's a whole other thing. But if people are willing to be an alternate for their district, right, then we could always make sure that we had enough people to have a quorum. So I'm just suggesting maybe each district has an alternate, throwing it out there. Mr. Chair, just a point of clarification. It's 10 voting members, and then we also have the Patrick Space Force base and the school board appointees that do not have a vote. So just to clarify, it's still 10 voting members. But how many for a quorum? So it's three, proposed, but obviously whatever discussion this board has, we'll present that to the board of county commissioners. Do legally we need to have an uneven number of a quorum? Yeah, practically in order to make, you know, take action. Ideally, it would be an odd number, yes, sir. Not a comment here. We're still discussing. Come on, Mr. Robert. I agree with five or seven for a quota. That sounds right. But would it make sense to make sure that we have one member from each district of a quorum? That's a discussion point. Yes. Yes, I would agree with that. That way every district is appropriately represented. I have a question. And are we done with that discussion? Because I think if you're an alternate, you can only stand in for your district. Is that correct? Okay. All right. That was just a question, a point of clarification. Thank you. Maybe there could be some type of deadline in your, like, so when we get our notices for the meeting, we get an email and we have to say, yes, we will attend. To make less confusion for county staff, maybe there's a deadline. You have 72 hours to reply that you'll be there or your alternate kicks in. And I don't know, just some sign of a failsafe that makes it more clear cut for county staff that has to work with that. Because we certainly don't want to make it more difficult for them. I don't know if that would be needed if we only need five for a quorum. And we're going to have 10 here. And I know. I'm just trying to make Alice's life simpler. I know there's been, Mr. Barcher said there's been problems in the past, but as long as, I mean, I've only been here almost two years, but we've had a lot, most. Well, Mr. Barcher's going back 40 years. We've always had enough people here. And Henry's going back 50. But, yes, we did have some issues back in those days, but we haven't had that. I don't, we haven't had an issue in five, six, seven years. Yeah, it's been a while since the change that we've combined both PNZ and LPA to take place on the same day also. That was another change that. That helped out a ton. Yes, sir. We're still open for discussion. Mr. Henry, you've got seniority. I don't know if that's good or not. You know, I guess if we, the commission will appoint two per district, okay, the alternates, how will that be appointed? So, currently, there are no alternates considered under the proposed ordinance. It's just two per commission district, so a total of 10 voting members currently. And that'll be period. Period. We won't have any alternates. Well, the item still has to go to the board for consideration. So, yes, currently, that's what the direction was assumed to be, at least. You know, sometimes I think we can operate without an alternate. You know, you put a load on them, and then they can't vote. They get, they're disappointed. So, if you don't have one, you're not going to have any disappointment. You know? That's a good point. Yeah. That's a good point. That's a very good point. So, if it's 10, right, and then it's 5 for a quorum, we should be able to hit quorum every time. Yeah, and we're going to have two representatives from each district. In the old days, 50 years ago, as you pointed out, it's very difficult to get them here. We actually made money. We were paid $15 a meeting. Of course, that was big time. And they took that away from us. So, we've actually had a lot of changes, you know? But it used to be very, very difficult to get people. I mean, everybody here is dedicating today a very short period. A lot of these people have been here, the four- and five-hour meetings, and I don't know, sometimes it's fun. So, that's my piece as far as just have 10 members and let's go at it, you know? 10 members and five for a quorum? Is that true? Okay. Or three. When would this take effect? Do you want to work? Well, once, yeah, the Board of County Commissioners is slated to review the ordinance at its next meeting, which should be the 25th. So, it's already been advertised, the ordinance. So, technically, by the next P&Z meeting, you could have 10 members. Ruth, you started. Go ahead. You're good. I like the 10 voting members and the five for the quorum since it needs to be uneven. But what about, like, some onboarding training for new members who come on? I mean, I think that gives you a better, more stable board when you get people up here who have been onboarded. I would have loved some onboarding training when I started. I'm telling you. Me, too. I really would have loved it. So, yeah. And I'm happy about the training coming on September. Mr. Chairman. Mr. Ron. There was, at one time, some actual training, a separate, it was an all-day class. It was given by the county and funded for county personnel who were in the planning department. And as part of that training, they invited board members to attend. It was, like I said, it was an all-day training. They provided lunch for us. We had a nice meeting. There was only, when I attended that training, there was only two other board members that actually attended. Yeah. And it was, I will say that the training was not specific to Brevard County but was more general to the subject of planning and zoning. But it was still, I found it very beneficial. And it would be really nice if the county could do something like that. Of course, with the county cuts in budget they're coming, that's unlikely to happen. But I just throw that out as something that was done in the past. It would be nice if we could do it again. I like that idea. I mean, it adds people to something that's already ongoing, not creating a further burden for staff or that much of a financial burden to do the thing and still get people up to speed on what they're doing. I took training that wasn't associated with Brevard County that I paid for by myself that was general just to get myself up to speed when I joined this board. So I don't think it really needs to be as specific, but general knowledge is great. The only thing I can say about training, if the board decides to go in that way, is have it the same day you have a meeting, you know, if you can. Because a lot of people come from way south or way north, and it's almost an adventure anymore to come down, especially where I live, you know, in the jungles of North Merritt Island. That's actually scheduled for the next P&Z meeting. I'm sure you guys got invitations. But, yeah, at 2 o'clock there's going to be a training. So the board transition in front of the commission in their November meeting, it's a November meeting. It's got to be after the election, I guess, doesn't it? Organizational meeting? Yes. Yes, I believe it's, yeah, after the election. I think it's a standalone meeting where the new individuals get sworn in. Some Decembers they don't have a meeting. Is that correct? That I'm not aware of. We technically start on January. So the whole, whatever way this board goes, that transition would occur January of 27. Is that right? Am I putting too much on y'all? Not yet. I just got it open for discussion with the board. I wasn't sure. Okay. So just to clarify, yeah, apparently there's no P&Z meeting in December, but January is when you guys select your, you know, chair, vice chair. Yes. We're still open for discussion unless someone wants to make a motion. Mr. Chairman? Mr. Ron. Is there anybody in the audience that wants to speak about this? I've seen that guy's leg bouncing for 20 minutes. Sir, do you want to make a comment for this? If you would come up, state your name, address, and spell your last name for the record. Rick Heffelfinger of District 1. Spelling of last is H-E-F-F-E-L-F-I-N-G-E-R. I wanted to come down to see kind of what you guys were thinking because this has been pretty rapid, this occurrence. And I know that Rita Pritchett's back. We didn't vote for her. But she seemed to be instigating this because she claimed in a board report that there seemed to be some chaos down here. And I wasn't sure what that meant. So I was concerned. The chaos, I understand you've got a limitation on places to sit. Maybe that is the chaos. I don't know. But I'd like to thank all of you guys that show up. I like more than less. Public input is very important to me. I like more than less. I realize it creates a problem. Everybody wants to talk, right, like me. I come down here because I like to hear myself talk. No, not really. But I see you've got 12 here now. You could have, what, 17? Yeah, but you only got 12. So already some people, I don't know, Robert Jordan? Robert, do you guys know Robert Jordan got reappointed here, right? Or he got appointed. John Hoppingarden got, do you guys know that? So Hoppingarden got replaced and Robert Jordan got put in. My concern is I didn't vote for Rita. And I'm worried there's political stuff going on, and I did not want you guys to get pushed around from that political stuff. I realize, hey, she probably has the authority. I wouldn't think that that would be something which she would do, but she chose to do that. And I like the fact that if there's three of you, because I'm a little confused now. You said that there was 10, 10 voting, but you have 15 now, right? Does that mean all 15 could vote? Yes. Okay, so you'd be a majority of 15 quorum before was six, because there should have been 10. I don't think the quorum thing got updated when the 15 number came out, right? So it doesn't, I don't see where the quorum is in the current instruction, though, the ordinance. It got deleted as part of the reserve. It said something about six, and that section went away, and I can't see. No, the quorum is still part of the code. Yes, sir. It's still a cap. It's at six right now. Yes, sir. I must have missed it. I thought it was only stated in the, so six is 60% of 10. So that's half of you plus one. That would be quorum. That sounds right to me, the logic of the six. I don't know why the, what I'm glad is that the quorum didn't go up to more than that because of the 15, because that would have put you, because a year ago, this was changed, and Rita Pritchett was one of the movers for that. She wanted to make sure you guys had enough people to meet quorum. So she said, hey, instead of those alternates who feel like they didn't get to show up, they may not be able to vote, let them come in, participate, and vote. So that would always guarantee, you're six, right? That, ooh, that got that problem solved. It also allowed more conversation, which I do like. So I just didn't, I wanted to make sure everybody understood, and I'm a little concerned about what my quote-unquote commissioner is doing to screw around with this, because back when they changed it to the 15, there was accusations made that she was trying to flood or pack this court with more people, and now there's chaos. Maybe that's, so she created the chaos that she now wants to solve before it was a problem of not being able to meet quorum. I would hope you'd go back to, keep the 10's a good number to vote, right? But I think those alternates, you have to have some system to make sure that they're there to stand up when they're needed. And I think the comment was made, maybe Ruth, about having a system that says, hey, we need to get a head count, who's going to be at the meeting, who's not? Who needs a valid excuse? That's not a bad thing, I like that, because we need to make sure we have quorum, and we'd like to have the opportunity to inform the other members, if your district doesn't have one of you's out, we need to call that alternate. I like that. So I still like 10, five alternates, one alternate per district. I would also like to see you, because this is political whether you like it or not, to control having an alternate vote on a different district that has a person missing, because their alternate didn't show up. I think that's, because this is political, right? I mean, why would Rita be involved if it wasn't political? So I just wanted to see how you guys were feeling, and I like the idea of training. It's important that, you know, you get onboarded. Even commissioners sometimes have complained they didn't get onboarded properly. So I think it's important. That's all I wanted to say. That's just one of the things that's happening. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Anyone else want to speak in the audience? All right. I'm going to close that for public comment, and I'll bring it back up and open up discussion again. Let me see if I can get this right. I'm going to say 10 members, 3 quorum, and no alternates. That way you don't have an overload. If you have alternates out of district, as this gentleman said, 3 or 1 or something, right away you're going to say it's posturing. So that's my approach to it. 10-3 and no alternates. Okay, I would say 10-5 and no alternates because 3 is just such a small number. So that would mean half the people wouldn't show up, right? And we always show up. Those of us that are really committed to this, like unless I've got a child who's, you know, in the hospital or this is something horrible is happening, I'm here, right? And I think most of us are that way. We're very committed to this position. And so we show up, so to have half of us not show up would be an odd thing. Just saying. Thank you. Mr. Rob, could you get a little bit closer to your mic? I can't see you. I'll just talk louder. Just pull that thing over. That's quite doable for me. So we were at 10 and 5 alternates and a quorum of 5? 6. Of 6. Okay, then a year ago we went to 17 and no alternates and a quorum of 6. Okay, so now they want to go back to the 10 and 5 and a quorum of 6. They wanted to do it through a year ago. No, they want to go back to 10 and 3. I'm sorry, 10 and 5 alternates and 3 quorum. Correct? I think their proposal is no alternates. No alternates, yes, sir. Okay, so 10 members and 3 quorum. Quorum. Boy, that would be a fast meeting. Three people? Sir, I'm sorry. I already closed it for public comment. Just clarifying. So we're playing a little bit of musical chairs here, experimenting. Alex, you want to clarify? Sure. Mr. Brothers, I think you did get it right there. There's 10 voting members, 3's a quorum. No alternates currently being proposed by, you know, based on board direction. Mr. Chairman, I can support 10 members with no alternates. I cannot support a quorum of 3. That is far too little. 3 people to make decisions on what we make decisions on. That is just not right. Can I make a motion? As soon as I close for discussion. I'm so sorry. I jumped ahead. I'm so sorry. That's all right. I just want to mention I've served on other boards, and 3 is a very small number. So I would probably support 5 versus 3 with the 10, just for the record. My reason for wanting alternates is because of the past history that we've had with this board and with county commissioners not really appointing board members and having members that just only show up once and occasionally. Right now, as I said in my opening statement, we have a very good, dedicated group of people. And as long as we have that kind of people, 10 and no alternates works fine. Right. It's just that I know that history tends to repeat itself. And having gone through that history, I'd prefer not to have to do it again. Alternates solves that problem. It does create a problem with alternates. It does mean there's more tracking that has to be done by staff. And if, you know, if the rest of you think that we won't repeat that kind of history, then that's fine, too. But, Ron, well, you know how long I've been here, too. We haven't had that issue, really, like we were just saying, for the last, I don't even know, six, seven, eight years. But now when I first started. I know it's gotten a lot better. It's gotten a whole lot better. And I don't, and I suspect that it's probably because. Especially if we ask for some money, then people will show up. I suspect it's gotten better because the county commissioners have found people that are willing to serve. Right. Any more discussion or I'm going to close it. I have another question. Is it possible to set up the quorum if you're going to have five, that you have one from each district? Is that too much coordination? Because that seems pretty fair to me. That way, every district, because you might have five people from North Brevard that have no idea what's going on in South Brevard or vice versa. And this way, you would have your sort of representation all up and down. I can hear the eyes rolling over there. I'm so sorry. I have to agree with you, Jared. Because honestly, if you ask me questions about MIMS, I'm like, oh, you know, like it's a struggle. You ask me questions about, you know, the South Beaches, I'm there. You guys are lost. So I think it's important. And the other thing I want to say about staff is they do a wonderful job. If I have not responded to them within, well, I don't know, two days or something, hey, Erica, are you coming to the meeting? You know, like they're on it immediately. So I don't know if the problem of, you know, contacting an alternate if we don't have quorum would be, you know, I don't know that that would be a problem for you guys. You guys are really good at things like that. Thanks. Mr. Chairman, one comment about having a representative from every district sounds like a good idea. But on the county commission, when there's no county commission seat, that district does not get a vote. So, you know, that's just something to keep in mind and say, why do we need to be more strict than what they are? That's a good point, Ron. And I'm, again, it's just my past history with this board. Right. That I'm concerned about putting that kind of restriction on it. I have a question for Mr. Esses. Ms. Ruth. State requires us to have two non-voting members. Is that correct? No, ma'am. It just requires us to have a school board member. Just a school board member? And they can technically be voting, but the board. The state has a minimum of non-voting, but the commission could make them voting if they chose. Is that correct? Sure. Yes. Yes, ma'am. That's correct. I just want to make sure I have that correct in my mind. So if you had 10 and you had a school board member, that would be a tiebreaker, no? Only if they're allowed to be a voting member. Right, but if they were a voting member, obviously, right? If they were a voting member. If you had the 10 and you had the school board, then you'd have 11, and then you would have an even number, right? So maybe that's something, too. Well, if I understand correctly, though, that's where we've been struggling is getting the school board to appoint somebody as well as the Air Force, because I don't think we've had anybody from either one of those for some time. Yeah. So I don't know whether that would. In theory, it would help. I think they got rid of that, though, when they went to 15, right? I think, no, I think they're still. Well, I think Mr. Hoppingarden actually started off as a school board appointee, and then we went to 15 members and got rid of the voting status of the school board position. Yes, I think we still have room for a school board and a Space Force, Air Force, whatever it's going to be. They're just not filled. Is that correct? You used to have a representative from Patrick Air Force Base. My understanding is they haven't appointed anybody for some time. Yeah. All right. I'm going to close it for discussion unless someone grabs my attention. All right. I need a motion. I'd like to make a motion that we recommend 10 voting members, two from each district, a non-voting school board member as required by state statute, training, some type of basic onboarding when someone gets appointed to the board, and a quorum of five. Ruth, I'm going to hold that motion one second. Okay. Counsel? I think I got all that. Yes, ma'am. Yes, sir. Legally? Yes. She said to put in for a school board. The state does have a non-voting school board member requirement, correct? They have a school board requirement, and then it's up to the board of county commissioners whether or not they want that individual to vote or not vote. There's my answer. And my recommendation would be for that school board member to be non-voting just like the state requires. That was what my recommendation in motion was. Yeah. The state doesn't require that they're not voting. It's just left up to the board. And currently, right now, the school board member is a non-voting position. So that would remain the same. No alternates. I'll second that. Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman, before you vote, there was one other issue that was on the agenda, and that was about term of office. And I think we ought to recommend same term of office, no change to the term of office. I could add that into the motion, same term of office. The terms are not going to be affected by the proposed ordinance. It's just the number of individuals who are voting as well as the quorum number. But we can make a note of that if that's, you know, subject to your motion. Only if necessary. Okay. Okay. I got a motion by Ruth, a second by Henry. All those in favor say aye. Before we vote, I'm sorry. There was little room for discussion on her motion. So I want to jump in there, if I may. Okay. Would there be any objection to changing the school board to a voting position again, the way that it was in the past when they had the smaller board? I would. I would object. You would object to it? I'm not personally a fan of it. Okay. All right. Okay. I'm sorry. All right. Item H-4. Got a motion by Ruth, a second by Henry. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That passed unanimously. We missed our chance to ask for some money. Sounded good. Hey, when did the $15 a day go away? Now I can say meeting adjourned. When did that go away? Well, $15. $15.