Please lead us. I would like to be pleased to the Black of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. This is the Planning and Zoning Board slash Local Planning Agency. It's an advisory board which makes recommendations to the county commissioners who will make the final decision on these items. Items on today's agenda will be heard by the county commission on May 7, 2026 at 5 p.m. When a motion ends, any kind of a split vote, a roll call vote may be taken to ensure accuracy. As a reminder, each member who makes a motion or a second needs to turn their microphone on so that your voice is on the record. Speakers for public comment on agenda items will be given two minutes. Please spell your last name for the record. And at this time, if any board member has had any ex parte communication regarding any application, please disclose so now. All right, before I ask for an approval of the PNZ minutes from March 16th, John, you had something, you had a comment about last meeting. You know, on that tie vote that we had for H3, I wondered if we could enter into the record the names of the board and how they voted. It's not on there. It's just as a tie vote. Does that matter? Can I do it? It's at the pleasure of the board. I mean, if you direct staff to include that in the message to the board of county commissioners, we'd be happy to do so. But it's not required. No, I understood that. I just wanted to know if the board would go along with my request. Reset a motion that needs a second. Is that what that is? I would second adjournment. I didn't hear it in a motion. Was it a motion? I didn't hear a motion. Okay. I would like to add the names of the votes, the names of the parties that voted. Well, Neil had a response to that. I was just curious. Just the reasoning. I just wanted it in the record. Because we did a hand vote rather than, or a voice vote essentially, rather than a roll call vote. And that was my, I neglected to do that, to ask for a roll call vote. So I would like it added to the record. Does the board, the members of the board, does anyone have an issue with that? I mean, we've never done this before, so I mean. I don't think there's a problem with doing it. I would second that, if that's a motion. Transparency, why not? Yeah, I mean, it's a public record. Anybody can go back and watch it, so putting it in the record isn't. That's why I was wondering why we needed to do this, because it is public record how it was voted. Because I'd like it in the record, rather than just people watching the video at their own discretion. I don't have any major objection to it. I just don't see the reason. I don't see the purpose of it, but I don't have a major objection to it. Okay. Just humor me, if you don't mind. Do I need a motion on this, staff? I need a motion and a second. Okay, I moved. You want to second? Seconded. Okay, all those in favor, say aye. I have a question. Are we taking your notes as to who we're reading into the, are you providing the names? Yes, I can, if it's requested, or staff can look at the video and do it for themselves. I would prefer that we get the names from staff than another board member, and I would vote yes. That's fine. Okay, we'll go back again. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Yeah. Did the hand count, or did y'all get it? I believe we got it with Mr. Minibu in the negative. Yes, sir. Okay, I need a motion for the approval of the P&Z minutes from March 16th. Motion to approve. As amended. As amended. Second. I got a motion by Neal, a second by John. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? You see that? That passed unanimously. Item H1. Item H1 is Paul and G. Eric Dershka being represented by Bruce Moya, or Kim Rzenka. Request a zoning classification change from RU-210 and RU-111 to RU-215 under application 25Z-00062, located in District 1. Good afternoon, Chairman, members of the Planning and Zoning Board. My name is Kim Rzenka. I am not Bruce Moya. I'm the law firm of Lacey Rzenka. There has been an authorization put in for me for this application. This is a rezoning of 18.07 acres for multifamily apartments. The Dershkas are here. Eric and Carrie are representing the family. These are 12, 15 parcels that have been assembled over years, and now they're wishing to sell to retire and travel. But they are here if you have any questions. The contract purchaser is Millstone Ventures, LLC. They are here as well to tell you a little bit about themselves and what they plan for this project. And Bruce Moya with MBV as the engineer of record, who is here to answer any questions that may have come up from the staff report. There are a few nuances that are unusual, but they're environmental issues, but you may have questions. So I'm going to bring up Andy Weatherford with Millstone Ventures, LLC, to tell you about Millstone and the proposed project. Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman, members of the Planning and Zoning Board. I just want to start by thanking you for your time. Sir, if I could get your name and address for the record. Yeah, my name is Andy Weatherford. I'm the owner of Millstone Ventures. We're the contract buyer for this property. My address is 9820 West Point Drive. In Indianapolis, Indiana. So we wanted to just introduce myself, the project a little bit. We brought our team here today to address any questions you might have, but appreciate your consideration today. So my company, Millstone, we're a small development shop out of Indianapolis. My business partner and I started the company in 2017. We've got about 25 employees, and we're a vertically integrated development shop. So what that means is everything from planning and zoning through design, construction, and then property management, once the property's been developed, all stays with my team. So we consider ourselves what we like to call a cradle-to-grave development shop. So for every step of the process, through entitlements, design, construction, and property management, the advantage of working with my company, we think, for the communities in which we build, is there's one point of contact for every step of this project, and that is me and my team. You know, the type of product that we like to build, we consider ourselves a luxury resort-style community builder. So it's a multifamily product, but high-end market finishes and amenities. And, you know, being vertically integrated, the advantage that we believe we have is, you know, we control cost from the beginning with our design selections, through construction, with our construction company that we own, and that allows us to deliver this elevated product that we can deliver for our residents at market rate rental rates. So we don't have to charge above what's market for the product that we build, but we do build an elevated product for the communities that we try to serve. You know, we take a very targeted approach to our projects. We're down here for a reason, following, you know, population growth, job growth that is happening here in Brevard County. And, you know, we try to build where our product is needed and wanted. We know that our rezone request follows a future comp plan for the area. And, you know, what we're here to do is deliver some new housing stock in a community with a lot of job growth and population growth. And what we've been tracking is, you know, a minimal amount of new housing that's being delivered to the market that's sort of needed to support the continued job growth that's happening here in Brevard County. You know, what we're seeing is, you know, what we're seeing is, with that job growth, there's quite a few members of the workforce that are commuting from Orlando and other markets. And, you know, by delivering some nice housing stock, what we're hoping to do is give those people a reason to stay and keep those paychecks and live, work, and play here in Brevard County. And that's what we're hoping to provide for this community. So that's my opening bit as an introduction. And I just want to thank you all for your consideration today. All right. Thank you, sir. I'd like to talk a little bit about the area and the request. And I have a larger version of the map of the area because you all only get a very small packet, a small map in the packet. As I mentioned, this is a rezoning of 15 parcels that have been assembled by the Derskos since 1979. A majority of the parcels are zoned RU 210 with a density cap of five units to the acre. The smaller parcels to the north are part of the Sun Valley Platte from 1955. And those are zoned RU 111. This development is intended to be closer to State Road 405. There are some wetlands to the back that will be avoided. All the wetlands will be avoided as this is residential property in Brevard County. All 18 acres have the rez 15 future land use that has been there as long as we know. So at some point, the county's policy was this was to be multifamily. The map that I have provided to you, the red line that goes down the middle, that's Breezy Hill Lane. That is the address of the Derskos homestead. To the north of there is the fire station and Florida TIF land. And then to north of that is a BCSO office. What is not clear from in your packet is there are two apartment complexes to the north on the west side of State Road 405. That's why I put those there. They're older apartments. Summerhill apartment is a more northern one. It was built in 2005. And then it says WW apartments on the Brevard County website. And that was built in 1985. The new one at State Road 405 and State Road 407 is Millwright. And that was just open this year, phase one of that. So apartments are coming to this area. This is almost transitioning to a multifamily area. And when you look at your future land use, all of this area on the east side of State Road 405 is Residential 15. And also you can see the block of the 18 acres. The staff report states the primary uses on State Road 405 are commercial office and government facilities. And that the only new development is residential homes and apartments. However, it appears that this is more going towards multifamily on State Road 405. The staff report also states this is undeveloped commercially zoned land when, in essence, this is undeveloped multifamily zoned land. The preliminary concurrency says traffic will not cause a deficiency in the level of service by this development of approximately 270 units maximum on 18 acres. There's no school concurrency issues. There's no material violations of any relevant comprehensive plan policies. There are environmental issues that were raised, including a FEMA flood zone, a well, an aquifer recharge. Those are all site plan and engineering issues that will be discussed with staff and with Titusville if this is approved for rezoning. With that, Mr. Moy is here. If you have any questions regarding the environmental issues or any development issues, and the Durskas are here, too, if you'd have to ask them any questions. We're here to respond to anything you may want to know. Before she leaves, does anybody have any questions for Ms. Rezenka? Hold on one second, Ms. Kim. Is there anyone in the audience who wants to speak for or against this item? Kim, we're doing good. If that, we would request the rezoning to RE-215 as requested. Okay. Thank you. Mr. Moy, could you? Yes, sir, Mr. Chairman. How can I help you? Do we have any questions for the engineer? Yes, I have. One after Ron's already shot. I never expected John to have a couple of weeks. Look, I don't want you coming up here and not being asked anything. I appreciate it. Thank you. You don't have a site plan, but could you give me an idea of what kind of buildings you're going to be put on or how big they're going to be, how many there are? Are we talking about duplexes? Are we talking duplexes? Basically, we're looking at three-story walk-ups is what we're looking at. Probably typical of what you see in most other types of developments, multiple units with maybe 20, 15, 20 units in the building or more, three stories high. Is there going to be some amenities like a pool and trail and stuff like that? Yes, there will be a pretty hefty amenity package, including clubhouse, pool, and activities for the residents. Okay. All right. Thank you. Okay, Mr. John. Is there sewer in the area? There is. It will be stored by the City of Titusville water and sewer. Very nice. I noticed on the wetlands map that the entire north segment is wetlands. I wouldn't say the entire north segment, but there is that northern northeast corner and there's a couple that are internal to the property. Yeah, the couple I'm not worried about. It's the one that takes up most of that northern part of their site. Yeah, and being that it is residential, we don't have the ability to impact very many wetlands, even if we did. We're proposing to avoid all wetland impacts. So I just want to know, you're not going to build on that area? No, that's part of a very large wetland system, so I don't think that we would be allowed to build in there, even if we wanted to. Not to mention, that's part of a Titusville well field, so we would not propose to impact that wetland at all. And we're not proposing to impact any of the existing on-site wetlands. Oh, okay. And definitely not the one to the east, because that's a very large wetland system. It's a very valuable wetland system. Did you say on the east? Yeah, that extends way beyond our site boundaries. Yeah, that's not really only the one little corner there. Now, I was just concerned about the one just north of Breezy Hill Lane. It seemed that it was a very large swath, and I was just wondering, you were only going to develop that southern portion? Well, I think the two other wetlands on the property are isolated. No, no, no, this is one big one. But that runs along the east, the northeast. Can I interrupt? I think the NWI map first is what it's showing. So the GIS mapping doesn't always match what the actual wetland lines are. So I think that's maybe the confusion. Yeah. No, there's no confusion. This is one. I also looked it up on the website. See this kind of tan color? That's all wetlands. Blue is the wetland. Blue is a lake. No, blue is the wetland. It says estuarine and marine wetland. I can read these. Okay. We've had an environmental study done, and it's just not that big. They're two isolated wetlands. That map is not accurate. Well, that may be the case. Yes. Because I've found that in the past, too. Yes. So you've done the survey. We have done an environmental assessment of the property. Okay. So somebody actually walked the site? Yes, sir. Okay. All right. Very good. Thank you. And just so you know, too, we did have a meeting with District 1 Commission on this, and we didn't really hear any specific issues of concern. Just that, you know, we may be making an effort to use some LID technology in the development of the property was one of the biggest comments, but there was no specific objection to this type of use in that area. Okay. Mr. Neal, here's some evidence. Whenever you're ready. Mr. Chairman, I make a motion to approve. I have questions. Sorry. Looks like there's more questions. Yes. We're going to hold that motion. Ruth, go ahead. So, Mr. Hopping Gardner was talking about the wetlands. But above the wetlands is, is that aquifer recharge? Yes. Which is why the wetlands filters down, goes out to the wetlands for the Titusville wells. And my concern is, is when you develop out the top of the recharge and you put apartments and parking lots and whatnot there, it hinders the amount of recharge that's happening. And while you're getting water from the city of Titusville, the city of Titusville can't even supply itself with more than two-thirds of its own water because it gets it from unincorporated Brevard out by the county line. So, developing out another recharge area near their wellfield is likely, or could, burden North Brevard and unincorporated with more water needs for the city of Titusville. How does that work? So, for one, as far as it being a aquifer recharge, that would, we'd have to get testing to show that it, that it is, just because the maps show that they have aquifer recharge soils does not necessarily mean it does. Wetlands usually aren't aquifer recharge soils, but some of the upland soils could be. But we would comply with the, because it is in the area of critical concern for Titusville. So, we will, because we're getting utilities from the city, we will be complying with all their regulations regarding recharge for that project. So, that's going to be one of the challenges, is meeting their requirements, but we will have to meet their requirements for recharge. I understand that. I have concerns. They already haven't managed it very well. And unincorporated North Brevard pays that price with their residents and their wells as they suck up that water. And the more burden that that puts on unincorporated Brevard, the less folks out in unincorporated Brevard can use their well systems or have to continually drop wells because of saltwater intrusion and other things. And facilitating to make that problem worse is a real concern. That's all. Thank you. Any other questions? Ma'am, I'm sorry. I've already opened it for public comment. No one said anything. But any other questions for the engineer? Then I had a motion from Neil, a second by Ron, is that correct, on item H1. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Approved. Okay. So, that item passed. Item H2. Item H2. J-E-J Ventures, LLC. Request a zoning classification change from IU to BU2 under application 26Z-00002, located in District 1. Is the applicant here? Sir, if you could state your name and spell your last name and your address, please. Home address or office address? You could use your office. That's fine. All right. My name is John Platt, P like Paul, L-A-T-T. Office address is 330 Williams Point Boulevard, Cocoa, Florida. And a little bit about what you're wanting to do. Final plans is we want to go to BU2 because we want to put up a hardware store along US-1 with all the growth and the houses going in the back of that industrial site that we have now. But immediate use is we would like to turn it into a parking lot for a boat and RV storage facility to generate some extra income while we work on putting the new hardware store on across US-1. We'd also, right now, Atlantic Wire and Rigging works out of 330 Williams Point Boulevard as well as JPR Motorsports. And we like to move our, both the companies from being on a Williams Point Boulevard to having US-1 front access. All right. While you're right there, is there anyone in the audience want to speak for or against this item? Yes, ma'am. You can come on up. Sir, if you would just take a seat right there in the front row. Ma'am, you need to come up and you got to state your name and address for the record if you want to speak. I'm sorry? Okay. Sir, you can come on back up. All right. Well, I'm going to close it for a public comment. And anyone on the board have any questions for the applicant? Any idea how long you expect time-wise between turning it into a storage facility and then turning it into a hardware store? That all depends on once we get everything up and running, what the final cost of the hardware store is going to be. I have got one quote on doing that, but it also depends on some work we're doing at Atlantic Wire on contracts coming in versus contracts going out. I am hoping within three years, but I don't know that to be 100% accurate. I'd like to get the RV storage up and running now to help generate and get some things going. But my goal is to have the RV storage parking lot in the back two parcels and having the hardware store and Atlantic Wire with JPR in the front parcel within three years. So the long-term plan is to keep some storage on the back section? It'll say some. It also depends on how large Atlantic Wire and JPR gets within the next three years of being on U.S. one front property versus being on a side street that no one knows that we're back there. We are a defense contractor for Lockheed Martin and the aerospace industries of things that we do. So it all really depends on what they decide they need from us is going to decide how big of a facility that we put together. We've been back where we are now for a little over almost 30 years, 92, almost 30 years. And we've now outgrown that facility and I've rented some bays onto the east side of us. And I like to put everything underneath one warehouse system. And the reason for going through BU2 is that light industrial would be fine, but I've been told if I want to put anything outside of the four walls of what we put up, it has to go to BU2 instead of light industrial. If I'm going to do that, I might as well in the back parcels put RV and boat storage with all the houses going around us. They're putting up, I'm thinking between six and 800 houses right on the outside of our industrial park that we got now. And with the way things are, they're going to need to have some storage areas for themselves as well. Any other questions for the applicant board? I need a motion. I'll make a motion to approve. Second. Got a motion by Jared. Second by Neil on item H2. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That passed unanimously. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you, sir. Item H3. Item H3 is Kim. What's the name of the name? Marsick. Marsick Family Trust, being represented by Kim Rizinka, requests a zoning classification change from AU and GU to EU under application 26Z-00003 located in District 2. Good afternoon, Chairman, members of the Planning and Zoning Board. My name is Kim Rizinka with Lacey Rizinka in Melbourne, Florida. I'm here on behalf of the Marsick Family Trust. This is a rezoning of a split parcel of 1.87 acres. Again, I gave you a map just to put it into perspective. This is the map that's in your package, but with a little more information. The yellow highlighted area is the parcel that has split zoning. Both lots are nonconforming in size for the zoning, and we're looking to fix that. The Marsick Trust also owns the homestead to the east of the .97 acres that crosses over Indian River Drive, the AU parcel is 1.44 acres, the DU parcel is 0.53, and just for perspective to the north is the Bonsai Motel. I also placed on here to the south of this property, there's many single-family homes, not exactly adjacent on US-1, but close to it. So this is somewhat of a mixed-use area. The future lane use of all of this, the future lane use to the west of US-1 is NC, and the future lane use is somewhat split for the parcel on the east side, and that is RES-4 and NC. No, I'm getting confused again. The zoning of EU for all of this, yes, it's NC and RES-4. And the rezoning for AU from AU to EU will make this consistent with the future lane use and allow it to be a conforming lot. The history of this is that William and Michelle Marsick purchased the house, the homestead, in 1995, and then they purchased the other property to be rezoned in 2001. Now William wishes to build a workshop, and the land that they have isn't sufficient. So we have to rezone the EU so we can add just a little bit of land to the homestead so we can build a workshop, and that's really the impetus for it. They didn't really want to rezone it. They wanted to keep it AU. They don't intend to build. They didn't go BU-1 or anything like that. They're just trying to make it all consistent and conforming so they can add a little bit of property to configure it so they have the ability to put a workshop. The parcel to be rezoned is nonconforming in size for both of the zoning. This will create land that can be used for residential purposes and for William's workshop. It's a simpler rezoning than most with a very altruistic purpose. They're only trying to make land conforming so they can add a small little workshop for William. With that, I'd ask that you approve the rezoning as requested. Kim, while you're right there, please, is there anyone in the audience want to speak for or against this item? Okay, seeing that, I'm going to close that for public comment. I'm going to bring it back to the board, but this is an easy one for you here. I mean, what's going on? It's almost too easy. It was a little confusing to figure out how to get where they wanted to get, whether we needed a variance. And this was just the simplest and fastest way to do it. I'm going to make a motion. We approve. Second. Got a motion by Henry, a second by Jared on item H3. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. That passed unanimously. Don't get used to it, Kim. Yeah. I'll give you one day. I'm starting to think she owns an ink factory. Yeah. Okay. Item H4, please. Item H4 is HQW LLC and HQW Homeowners Association Incorporated. Request a zoning classification change from EU1 and AU with a BDP to RVP and AU with a CUP and removal of the BDP under application number 26Z00005 located in District 1. Sir, if you could state your name and spell your last name and your address, please, for the record. Good afternoon. My name is John Holmquist, H-O-L-M-Q-U-I-S-T. My address is 105 Stone Street in Cocoa, Florida, 32922. The address of the property we're discussing now is 5405 FL 520 or West King Street. My brother and I acquired the property a couple years ago and we were trying to figure out the highest and best use. I don't see a way to click slides, but I have slides. I do have some hard copies if someone wanted a hard copy. Well, you need to clear that with staff over there. You can take that to them. Okay. So the property currently has a binding site plan of 40 single-family homes, which crowds around this 12-acre pond. We feel that that is not the highest and best use of the property. People that are looking for this environment already have Vieira to go to and many other places where you can be in a neighborhood that's put together like this. What we would like to do is change the northeast and west sides of the pond to RVP, as shown by the civil engineer plans here. And then return the southern portion of the property to agriculture. So the southern portion of the property would be equestrian area and large pet friendly for the RV park. The RV park, because we are seeking SBA funding, has a 30-day maximum stay. But once we clear that, after speaking with Commissioner Delaney, she suggested that we move it to a seasonal type of changeover as soon as possible because she's had issues before with a snowbird mentality coming down and wanting to stay put for more than one month period of time. We have done all of the due diligence. There is no wetlands. It's all high and dry. Our environmental study came back clean. And so that's why we're requesting the zoning is put forth by our final survey here. All right, sir, while you're there, is there anyone in the audience want to speak for or against this item? Yeah. Okay. Sir, if you could grab a seat there at the front, and we're going to let the public have their comment. Sir, again, if you could state your name and spell your last name and your address for the record. My name is Bradley Sinclair, S-I-N-C-L-A-I-R, 4563 Coquina Ridge Drive, Melbourne, 32935. Sorry, I'm not used to public speaking in front of y'all. I've never met Mr. Holmquist. My wife and I own 25 acres to the west. We've owned it since 2000, I guess. And I know a lot of history about this lake that Mr. Holmquist may not even know. And I, first of all, want to say I don't have any objection to him developing it. It's his property. He can do whatever he wants with it. But when they dug that lake, they dug it so deep that they hit the aquifer. And for years, they've been trying to sell it, and I was trying to buy it, you know, over the years. And the east side was all wetlands because the lake was overflowing all the time and going that direction. So at some point in the past, I'm not good with time, five, ten years ago, one of the owners of the property dug a ditch. I don't know if you can see it, if it's on the survey there, it should be the west, southwest corner, dug a ditch there to drain the lake, to lower the water level so that it wasn't overflowing, so that eventually the wetlands would dry up. And because he had it surveyed, and that was wetlands. And so then eventually, I guess maybe he had it resurveyed. And again, I've never met this gentleman, and I'm not trying to put the kibosh on his development. But I'm concerned about water because that's low land out there. It's close to Lake Poinsettia. I don't know where this ditch goes to where this water drains to. I don't know how much water is going there. But I noticed on the survey, they had that considered for water storm retention. I don't think – I don't know. I'm not an engineer. I'm not any of that stuff. But I don't think you can be putting more water in that lake and then having to drain it out, and then it goes out down the road. And I guess eventually Lake Poinsettia. I don't know where it goes. If you look at it from an aerial, you can tell because the water is blue. It's a beautiful lake. It's not like green like most of them are. So there's all constantly water flowing. So that's one concern I have. The second one is sewer. If there – I know there's – excuse me, sewer available along 520, and I'm assuming that they would be required to hook up the sewer. And if that's the case, that's great. I was concerned – and I'm sorry I'm not more prepared, but I just kind of glanced at this before I came in this morning, and I saw that it's actually – you could put 240 RV lots in there. And I know he's only asking for 36, I think it is. But, you know, I know how this stuff happens. You know, you get 36, and then, well, you start getting – you want to add some more and add some more and add some more. And I don't know where you're going to put 240. I don't know if they're including the lake acreage to put 240 in there or not, but that's – that would be a problem. And our property actually has an easement. Our only driveway to get into our property runs across their property, and it's the easement coming in from 520. And our water comes in there, and, I mean, I'm kind of looking forward to – if he does develop it, I'm sure he's going to put a nice driveway in there, so I'll have a nice driveway. But our water line runs under the driveway, and that's been broken in the past over a couple times, not by him, but other people, and it lost a lot of water and cost a lot of money. So, you know, I think that's about it. All right. Thank you, sir. You're welcome. If anyone else want to speak, your name and address, sir, and spell your last name. My name is Jason Mattis, M-A-T-A-S. I live at 5200 Lake Poinsett Road. My property butts right up to this back corner here of this gentleman's plans to this property here. So – Could you get a little closer to the microphone? Yeah. What did you hear? Okay. I'm definitely – this would be a bad idea, 100%. Not – like, you got – what do you got? I don't know. You're going to do septic things for every one of those people. I mean, you're going to have sewage going into the ground right there. You've got to cut down all that – all those trees, all that wildlife. That's going to be gone. You know, I've spoke – I've spoke with every single person that touches that property, that backs up to it. Everybody – nobody wants that there. You're going to have – you're going to have RV parks. You're going to have multiple people from who knows where coming into Brevard County. Who knows who these people are. I'm not saying they're all going to be bad people, but they could be doing who knows what, jumping our fences. Jim Skaggs, he couldn't make it, but he's got a bunch of cattle. He's got 16 acres on the south side of that property. So, you know, you're going to have people messing with his cattle. You know, people could jump the fence, break into people's houses. It's not going to be a good idea. Okay. I know there's other things I've wanted to say, but, you know, the – it wouldn't be a good idea. It's not going to be a good idea for – oh, it's going to lower the property value 100%. Okay. Well, thank you, sir. On all of our houses, so. He stood up first. He got ahead of you. All right. If you're going to gather, you might have a go-back going. Well, if anyone else wants to speak, if you could come down to this front row, it would make it a little quicker for us, too. He wants to go home. Sorry. My name is John Petillo. I'm at – last name is spelled P-A-T-T-I-L-L-O. I'm at 5170 Lake Poinsett Road. I bought up to the east side where this property is. I guess there's not much more to say than has already been said. You know, zoning is there for a reason. And the fact that we need to come up here and say, let's change your zoning makes it more of a suggestion, not a zoning restriction. Is there going to be sewage or is there going to be septic? It's connected to cocoa at 520. Okay, to the sewage. Sir, he's going to – he'll have time later to speak. Okay. Well, I just didn't know how to comment. But what my concern was there is an aquifer there. You know, and we already have an aquifer problem throughout the whole entire state of Florida. They're robbing everybody's border of the aquifers. And, you know, people are still using the old black tank deodorant. Some of them contained formaldehyde, which was, you know, made illegal by the EPA. But there are people who are still using them. You know, I have an RV. I've seen a ton of RV parks my whole life. And it's not something we want in our backyard. You know, we have a – we moved there because of the zoning restrictions. I think all of us here, you know, want privacy. And to have a suggestion, you know, it needs to be a zoning restriction, in my word. That's all I have to say. Okay. Thank you, sir. Thanks. You're such a gentleman. You're letting everyone go ahead of you there. I don't know if certain people that have known me for a while would make that claim. But I do appreciate your confidence, sir. All right. Your name and address, and please spell your last name for the record. My name is Skip Parrish, P-A-R-R-I-S-H. I live at 5250 King Street. So I am essentially across the street from part of this property. I am not inherently against this, and I do want to put that out there. You are trying to do something that you feel is best for your property. We've been on this property. My parents bought it when I was very small. My first memory is in a feature that I still see in my house every day. Every morning when I wake up, I see this corner hutch that's still built into the wood in my living room. And there has been a lot of things as development has gone on west of 95 out by us that has affected us. 520 getting widened and 520 getting the median. We have flooded much more ever since that on the north side of 520 out there between Friday Road and 524. They put on our property during the year of the three storms when we got flooded in for almost a week, they actually put a drain going into the culvert that they had covered in that area. Now, I don't know if his stuff is going to affect any water coming over to our side because it's going to cross the highway. But some of the businesses that are already out there west of 95 don't even have turn lanes. People are pulling already the RV park or the RV sales place down the road is already blocking up traffic as people travel westbound towards us, towards Orlando. There's no turn lane for that. Is there going to be a turn lane for this? I can tell you as somebody that's been in that neighborhood since the 70s, and there's people that have been there longer than me and my family, people that don't have gates are probably going to put up gates. Y'all are going to get a lot of petitions, a lot more requests for, the word is escaping me right now, but permission for adding on security features out there. This is a mom-and-pop neighborhood. This is a bedroom neighborhood out there. I know we're a little bit rural out there, but we just kind of want to see what's, know what's going on before we see this go through is most of what I'm trying to say. Thank you, sir. Ma'am, would you like to come up and speak? You know the record, you know the drill now. You've got to state your name and address and spell your last name for the record, please. Yes, sir. My name is Jennifer Harris, and my address is 3549 Turnbull Road in Mims, Florida. And my last name is spelled H-A-R-R-I-S. I live in the north side of the north district, and I've lived here all my life. I have noticed recently a way, a very strong increase of overdevelopment in our area. I don't know why, but it's being approved to pretty much build everywhere. All of the woods are being destroyed. Most of the wildlife has nowhere to go, and if you live in these areas, you see it firsthand. Also, the pollution in Titusville, they're not able to even handle their own infrastructure to be able to build more there, more apartments. Did you forget about the Sorrel project even? You know, they're trying now to clean up the water, to clean up all that muck out there, and now we want to introduce more. It just, it really doesn't make sense. The places that are wild really need to be preserved, especially if it's surrounded by everyone. The people in the community who you're serving are against it. It just, I would like you to take into consideration on destroying any more properties with woods, please. Okay. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Is there anyone else want to speak for or against this item? It's going to be your last chance. I'm going to close it to public comment. Okay. It's closed. Sir, come on back up, please. Thank you. Anyone on the board have any questions for the applicant? I have a couple. Mr. Neal, go ahead. I recognized you first. I'll get with you, Mr. Robert. To confirm, you're going to be connected to Cocoa Sewer. It's not going to be on septic for the park? There will be no septic. It will be connected to Cocoa Sewer and Water. And? MPL for electricity. You said 36 RV sites? Yes. 36 RV sites with the possibility of four cabins. Okay. And any amenities on site? There will be amenities on, let's see if I can back this up. Where you see the northwest corner of the pond, we're looking in and putting a small amount of amenities there, including a swim spa. And then on the northeast corner, a dog run. Okay. Mr. Robert. Oh, okay. Mr. Ron? Oh, sorry. One second. Ron, could you get next to that mic, please, sir? There we go. Okay. You plan 36 slots? That's correct. Could you put that in a BDB? Binding Development Plan to limit it to 36? Yes, no problem. As you see, we already have the civil engineering for that. Okay, good. Thank you. Now, do you envision these RVers bringing their own horses? I do. Okay. One of the things about this, if I may explain a bit, is you're not allowed to travel with horses overnight. With South Wellington and some other large equestrian areas, this is sort of a spot that people could stop along the way. Also, there's a lot of trails that have horse access in Brevard County. This is a place that people could come to with their horses, unload their horses in our pasture and at our stables, and then use the facilities that Brevard County has for that type of activity. In addition, we are in between RV World and Cocoa Kennel, so people that are traveling with large animals in an RV could stop, keep their animals in our area, maybe bring their animals to Cocoa Kennel, and then enjoy the amenities in Orlando without their large animal as they travel. And if I can, I have a retort for all the people that have spoke here today. I am very happy to hear their concerns. I'm a Brevard County school teacher. I have property in Canalville Groves off of Satellite Boulevard. For lack of better words, these are my people, and I love hearing their concerns. I'm not, you know, for lack of better words, a developer from Indiana coming in here to make some money and run off. I've been here since 1989, and my brother and I think this is the best use of this property in lieu of building another 40 houses slammed in around this thing. And then, like I said, if I may, I could quickly address those concerns. No, you can. Go ahead. Okay, so number one, we already discussed we're not going to be doing septic and sewer. Next, an easement was put forth with Brevard County that was shown already several years ago for the drainage to come off of this pond. The engineer is looking at ways to use the pond for the water retention, but that would be only for the property that we're using, our own property. And the roads going in will be using millings to make sure that they're horse-friendly, so we're not putting in major roadways, per se, for this development for the RV park. Also, because this was a borrow pit, as he stated before, back in the 90s, and they did have it filled with water, and we do have fresh water flowing, the area was completely taken out back in the 90s. All the vegetation that is there now is invasive Brazilian pepper trees that will be taken out, and I'll be bringing palm trees and other scrub oaks from my property off of Satellite Boulevard in Canalville Groves to make this a wooded area, again, with Florida natural vegetation. Also, the majority of residential agricultural properties that touch this property, we're changing that portion of our property back to agriculture. All right? So the RVs themselves are going to be kept against the sides of the pond that are further away from the majority of the residents that have residential agriculture. It'll be against the properties that are commercial, except for Sinclair, which is known as Sinclair Equestrian. I have not spoken with Mr. Sinclair here. I've spoken with his daughter and his son-in-law that live on the premises. Very good rapport with them and with the stuff that they're doing there. And I want to make sure that his easement, his access, stays. So what we're really trying to do is minimize the impact. The future land use on this is also R15. So if someone from, again, Indiana came in here, they could be pushing to put in 15 units per acre, and we're trying to prevent that. That's a good point. Mr. Chairman, do you have a question? Can I ask a question? So you had mentioned the equestrian component to that. Can you explain to me where that's going to be on here and what that consists of? So we're looking at putting in a 16-unit barn here. And as you see, this line here does go up against Sinclair Equestrian. Their barn is over here in their pasture, so we're going to be fenced and separate from them. I have spoke to his son-in-law about possible collaboration, since they do have all that in the future if they want to do that. But at this time, we're staying self-contained. Once these Brazilian peppers are removed from here, we're going to put in natural vegetation from Florida and have that as horse pasture and trails. Sir, hold on now. You had a chance to speak. I'm sorry, but now we've got to keep it back to just here. Well, we can't. I'm sorry, because we've had a chance to speak, and now he gets a chance to speak, and then we need to take a vote. Now, I've already closed it for public comment. Go ahead, sir. The dark line is our horse trails around the pond and back. That's all I was pointing out. Okay, so my question is, you talked about being an RV park. I have horses. I've grown up with horses my whole life. I'm very familiar with trailering them. I wouldn't want to trailer it with an RV, to be honest. So is there a component where you have seen folks trailer with an RV? Are there going to be spaces that are longer to accommodate that? Are you expecting it to be a truck? I'm sort of struggling with that. Are you expecting there to be like a... Spaces through here are pull through. That's why we have the one-lane road on the other side. And then this is going to be actually a drive around, so that you can drop the horse off and come around. And honestly, this is equestrian-friendly. We understand the market today. I work closely with Happy Horse and Amber Acres with the things that I have going on outside of this. And we understand it's not a huge component, but it can be if it was available. It's not a big thing today, but we want it to be available. When my brother drove across country, there was a horse motel in Arizona that worked the same way. You'd come in, drop off your horse, and come back around. And there are people, especially out of Wellington, that do have RV horse trailers as one component. They're not cheap. They do. Yeah. They normally drive all the way through. And they normally drive all the way through. Yeah, it's possible. Yeah. Thank you. I think Robert had a question a while back. Well, John was a... Yeah, I got with Robert. The RV sites, are they going to be hardened? Millings. Millings only, not concrete? Yeah, we don't want to go concrete with large animals and horses, so we're going to maintain millings only. Okay, I'm talking about the pads for the RV vehicles. That I need to discuss again with the civil engineer, but... What do you prefer? You're the developer here. I prefer not. I want to keep it as natural as possible, but if code mandates that we have to go hard slab, then we will. Okay. Now, from what my colleague over here just said, do people trail from the RV their horses, or do they have a pickup truck as a separate vehicle and they use that to trail? Usually, with this type of movement, I will see a fifth-wheel trailer that has a camper trailer with one or two horse components to it that would be pulled behind like a one-ton truck or a three-quarter-ton truck. So where are they going to park? Same locations. So they'll park in an RV stall? Correct. Okay. Which limits you to 35? Well, still 36, but yeah. 36. Yeah. I mean, you're going to have RVs, and then you're going to have pickup trucks. Correct. So you're going to have both. Yeah. We'll be basically renting by location, not what they bring in. Yeah, but if they don't fit, what are you going to do? I don't see. We're going to have a size route. I mean, it has nothing to do with zoning. I'm just curious how you were laying out. Yeah. It's going to be 200 feet between the ingress and egress roads to the park. So unless their trailer and truck is over 200 feet. That's why I was asking, because I didn't know. And I see the pads that you have here. Are they going to be long enough to accommodate an RV plus a pickup? Yes, definitely. And where are the trailers going to go? The trailers? That is the RV. That is the RV. That's the RV. Yes. It's a truck pulling a trailer. The trailer's got like a little bunkhouse in it, and then the horse is in the back like a toy hauler, but with horses. Right? Yes. Good description. What's a toy hauler? Well, you're not a redneck. I know. That's the problem. I don't think so. Okay. I was just curious about that. Are you going to do any equestrian events on this property? Not on this property, per se. This is a place that people are really concerned about this property. Bring and then leave. Okay. So it's like a stuff off. You come in, go do your stuff, and then come back. Yeah. Okay. Bring your horse here, stay overnight, and then go to the ring in North Merritt Island, or go to the event in Ocala on your way, or what it may be. And can people ride on their horses around this site? On the trail areas that are shown. On the black lines? Yeah. The dark green line would be the trail for that, yes. Okay. And pasture areas. Anything about horse waste or anything that we need to know about? Just standard with the barn. Okay. You're not going to dump it in the pond that is the aquifer? Not at all, no. Okay. No, we love the pond. We want to keep the pond clean. We're going to have a no motor policy. We may be allowing canoes, but we're not going to be allowing any type of fuel type. So you're not going to have a service station there for them to refuel? No. RV World's right up the road, and so is Sam's Club. Thank you. Hey, Mr. Neal. Are you going to have any restrictions on age of the RVs? Some of the RV resorts are, if they're over 10 years old, you have to send a picture of your RV for them to let you bring it in. Are you going to have any restrictions on what's allowed to come into your RV park? We want to make sure that they can come in and go out again, so that has been discussed. I don't like putting a hard restriction on, simply because I drive an older vehicle and it runs well. So as long as it can be maintained. But yeah, that has come up in conversation. There are some. We also discussed having it as a 55 and up. There is one up in Volusia County that does have those same restrictions, 10-year RV and 55 and up for the people coming in. But we feel the equestrian component and the agricultural component would sort of deem younger people as well and a little bit older equipment. But yeah, it has to be functional. You can put an age restriction and then require that they provide pictures to bring it in. Yeah, Mr. Jerry. Okay. I, um... Have you ridden it? Yes, I suppose I am, in part. I can sympathize with the folks that live around here. The thing that I'm thinking is if you don't build an equestrian-friendly resort here, the next guy will try to be putting apartments in here. So we kind of just have to think about all that. Now, Ron asked about a BDP that would limit your capacity, I suppose, the amount of spaces. I wonder if there's any sort of agreement that you could come to as far as some kind of barrier between the neighbors and where the RVs are going to be, whether it's like an opaque fence or landscape barrier of some sort. Have you looked into any of that at all? Yes, we definitely want to maintain, at the very least, a landscape barrier because we also want to maintain the noise reduction for our side. We are hearing 520 and 95 at this location. Currently, there is... It's an invasive species, but I love the pine trees that are there, so the pine trees stay. You could see on the imaging here that there's a pine tree line that basically circles or blocks in the property. That stays, but all the Brazilian peppers on there will be coming off, and we'll be putting in hopefully more palms. I have a palm gentleman off of Outback and Satellite that wants to... that I can have bring in palm trees. We want more palm trees. What about a... So no fence? We're going to be putting in horse fencing along the agricultural side. Okay. And that's our current plan. I guess the portion I'm thinking about is the east side. Okay. Because the south side is going to be... There's not going to be any RVs parked there. That's going to be horses walking around, right? Correct. So I'm thinking for the folks on the east side. Yeah. We need to fence it regardless with... So if it's opaque or not, I prefer opaque, actually. Yeah. Okay. I mean, you can't make everybody happy, but maybe there's some sort of compromise there that you guys could come to. It's just a thought, and I don't know if that's something to mention in a BDP or not that's kind of getting down into the weeds. No, and just to put that out there, I don't mind going with a BDP because we're trying to stay away from another 15 units per acre coming in here specifically, let alone there's already a binding site plan for 40 houses. That's going to be 80 cars coming and going. And this is actually going to be much less traffic. Right. A lot lower impact. Right. Yeah. I mean, the potential exists for a lot worse than this. That's kind of my point, but still. Okay. All right. I'm done. Thank you. I have one more. Mr. Ron already had his hand up. Give it to him. More questions. Can you get near your mic, Ron? Where is the barn? You said, but I didn't hear you. It's the yellow square that's on the part that's already currently agriculture. The west end. On the west. Oh, okay. The southwest corner. Yes. And how big is that barn? How many stalls? We're planning on 16 at this time. Okay. Is it going to be used for storing feed as well as, and maintenance equipment as well as horses? We'll have that sort of separate, but part of the same barn system, yes. Okay. Are you going to have your own horses that are available for rent? That's something that we're going back and forth with the idea of how much the insurance would cost on that. We want to do that. We would love to do that. There are some great facilities off of the causeway on the way to Port St. John. There's some nice riding. We'd like to make that available, but we're not sure if we can get past the insurance portion of that. If we can, once we're established and the cash flow is there, we want to bring that to the public, yes. Okay. And will you allow residents in the area to use the horse barn trails? Yes. So they won't have to be bringing an RV to your place and staying in there overnight in order to use those facilities? Correct. Okay. Very good. Thank you. Mr. John. Yeah, just one quick one. Did I understand you to say that you're going to talk to the highway department regarding a curb cut? We've already spoken with the highway department. It is not required. We still want to put one in just because of the size of the RVs. I would think that just the fact that the break in the median is further to east of your entry, that you would need to have them cut back that median so that they can make a left turn if they're heading west on 520. We had a preliminary with FDOT, and we want to do more than they're requiring of us at this point. Okay. Otherwise, it's going to be a nightmare. Thank you. I saw your finger. Well, I'm prepared to make a motion to approve this with a BDP for 36 sites. Second. Got a motion from Neal on item H3, a second by Ruth, with a BDP for 36 sites. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? That passed unanimously. Thank you. Mr. Chair, I just want to clarify one thing. Is it 36 RV sites? I heard you say four cabin sites, possibly. Is that in addition to the 36? Yeah, it's possibly. If you look on here, you'll see the four squares on each side. That would be the discussed locations for cabins. So I think the motion would need to reflect the BDP 36 with the four. I'm fine with 36 RV sites and the four cabins. It's actually the eight four on each side. Eight. Yeah. Coming back to people that are traveling with horse don't have an RV. We wanted to have some spots for that. You guys are going to be far from your house. Should we get it? Gabble that man. Sir, with all due respect, y'all have had the chance to speak. This is the, and. And I think, by now, I know more information about this, and I'm going to speak again. Why? Because everybody. You have a chance to go to the county commissioner, go to the county commissioner's meeting, and we're an advisory board. The county commissioners are going to make the final decision on this. So, and that's going to happen May 7th at 5 o'clock in the same room. So do we. I will clarify my motion to approve with a BDP of 36 RV sites and eight cabins. Yes, sir. Are we good on the second? Ruth, you still good? Eight cabins or four? Eight. It's eight. It's four and two. Four on each side. Four on each side. Okay. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Call the motion. Call the motion. Vote. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That's unanimous. Item H5. Item H5. Request for recommendations. Amendments to Chapter 62, Article 6, Zoning Regulations to allow up to six chickens within certain single-family detached residential zoning classifications, creating Chapter 62, Article 6, Permitted with Conditions, Section 62-1835.3.5, entitled Farm, Animals, and Fowl. Is the applicant here? You are the applicant. I'm sorry. I'm still watching out there. I'll stay in your name and address for the record, then. I'm just going. Can you come forward? It's all your fault, Darcy. Yes. I know. I'm looking. I'm just sorry about that. Go ahead, Mr. Henry. How do we determine, since I know nothing about chickens, how do we determine that six chickens is the most suitable for a residential home? So, last year, during the July 22nd Board of County Commissioners meeting, they approved for the legislative's intent to move forward. This idea was originally brought about by Commissioner Delaney, six chickens. I believe that they came to that conclusion because they have heard feedback that it was difficult to buy a certain number of chickens and that six would be the ideal number that you could purchase. In the future, if somebody wants ten, they're going to come back here? This one would allow them six on any single-family size lot. If they want more than that, then they need to have a particular size lot and go in a different direction. This is just an additional option to our code. It doesn't delete anything that's already existing. So, if somebody has ten acres? If someone has ten acres, depending on what their zoning is, if they have AU or one of the rural zoning classifications, they could do a CUP for chickens. If they have at least a half an acre, they can do four chickens for every half acre and then go from there. Okay. I knew nothing about chickens other than Chick-fil-A, so I just was in the water now. Got it. That's it. Hey, Ms. Ruth. Ms. Ruth. Thank you. Do you have a microphone, Ruth? Sorry about that. On page two, at the bottom, number one in parentheses, a completed application accompanied by required fees as established by the Board of County Commissioners. Is that just because they haven't established fees yet, or we don't know what that fee will look like? Is that on the zoning ordinance part? No, it's on the ordinance. It's what I printed off of Legistar for the draft ordinance. Yes, your answer would be correct because it hasn't, the fee hasn't been established yet. Okay, and I have more questions. Number two, a recorded deed showing ownership of the subject property. Three, if applicant is not the owner of the subject property, a written authorization to act on behalf of the owner of the subject property. Um, what was the thought process behind that? I'm just, I'm curious because I'm, and please do correct me if I'm wrong. You could have a back porch full of squawking parrots that annoy your neighbors. You can have aggressive dog breeds. You can do all kinds of numerous things with animals that will annoy your neighbors, but not, I don't believe that's required for any other air type of animal. So why are we requiring it for chickens? Because this is an administrative approval, and it's no different from any other application that we take in where we request a deed and authorization to act if they're not the property owner. So it's because it's an administrative approval. It's an application they're applying for. Okay, I can understand that. Um, number five, I signed affidavit to consent from all adjacent property owners for up to six chickens to be kept, raised, and slaughtered for personal and non-commercial uses on the subject property. I did my due diligence the best I could, and I'm going to freely admit I did not search out every single county or city or municipality within the state of Florida. But I did do my due diligence a good 30 minutes to an hour of searching, trying to find any other municipality or city that requires this, and I came up with Winter Park and Coral Gables out of the entire state. Volusia County, um, they require that you notify your neighbors, but it's not consent from your neighbors. Again, we don't require consent to own a dog or squawking parrots or, and I like parrots, nothing against parrots, just making a point. Um, why do we have, it's not, it's not the standard is what I'm saying. So for our administrative waivers, when you're, um, asking for, uh, administrative waivers to setbacks, we do ask that you, um, get a signed affidavit from all of your neighbors. So again, it is something that we have in our processes right now, but also we're here for you to give us recommendations to take to the board. So if that's one of your recommendations, that, that shouldn't be required. I, I'm not a huge fan of that, especially six, because most people have, um, four neighbors. Um, so now you're going, I don't know. I just think it's inviting trouble. Um, again, you can have, you could have any type of mastiff and I'm not saying any, of course, uh, any kind of aggressive dog that could, they maul, they maul children and, and other animals. Um, I just, um, I find it burdensome to homeowners. Yeah, I think the idea there was to get to know your neighbors, let your neighbors know what you intend to do so that they're comfortable with it. But again, this is, you know, your recommendation and we look forward to that. Um, my, my other thought was, um, cause I read through a lot of other county and city ordinances and, um, none of them appeared that I saw to be quite as strict on the coop area. And what I, what something that is very much liked is, um, cause you can buy smaller coops and a lot of people do this. They buy the smaller coops from like tractor supply. You get a hurricane coming, they take those coops and they put them right in their garages with their chickens and they protect them in that manner. Um, and like, I think it's the city of Titusville among others. They, they allow you to have these coops and then you have to have a private, like a privacy fence in order to free range your chickens. Because they're not generally going to fly over a six foot privacy fence. And in, in that case, your neighbors are unlikely to even know that you have chickens. Okay. Um, county staff did research all 67 counties, um, for their codes on this. And I can't tell you how many municipalities codes, including Titusville and Coco and Palm Bay. Um, Orlando was one of them that we looked at as well. Um, so some of the, what we have in here is kind of modeled off of other codes that are in existence. I gotcha. Um, I just, my main sticking point is number five, um, having to get consent from your neighbors. I think that's a little heavy. Yeah. One second. I'll get you. Are we allowed to move forward with it with the recommendation of removing something? Absolutely. I don't believe you are. You can remove. I don't like that either. You bought the property. Clearly. If you want chickens, get chickens. I got Neil ahead of you. Mr. Neil. Neil's been ahead of me all day. I have. I got here before you, so I'm ahead of you. Ruth, just a question. You're okay with notification, just not consent, correct? Um, I would concede to notification. Quite frankly, I don't think it's your neighbor's business. Okay. I want to clarify where you were coming from, because I don't disagree. Mr. John, um, what's the minimum lot size that this would affect? There would be no minimum lot size, whatever. Your minimum lot size, you have to meet for your zoning, but you can have a 50 by 75 foot wide lot and be able to do this. How about an apartment? Not apartments. You took my joke. You took my joke. I'm sorry. He said it's foul. That was his joke. I want credit for my joke. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Let's get going. I just wanted to make sure that the caveat here is that this would only be in District 1. This would not be in any of the other districts, and it would be as according to her boundary January 1st, 2026. The district. Correct. The district boundary. Okay, but what about multifamily projects that are going up there? No multifamily. So that's excluded in this? It says certain single family detached residential zoning classifications. It doesn't say anything. I'll take that. Okay. So if somebody has an eighth of an acre lot, they could have chickens. Yes. No roosters, right? The roosters have been excluded. Nope. Okay. See, I know more about chickens than you do. If when everybody's done, I'll make a motion. If everybody. I can't hear you. Ron's got one. Oh, go ahead. Mr. Ron. Just as a reminder, the BCAC recommended denial. Just, you know, for you guys to think about. BCAC? Who'd you say? Be candid. Building Construction Advisory Committee. BCAC. All right. Anyway, they saw it and they recommended denial. And my question, well, to start with, my question is, is why are we, the emphasis was to increase the number of chickens from four to six. Why didn't we simply do that and leave the rest of it and leave it all alone? I'm fine with that. I think that's a good idea. Putting us all, putting these chickens into close residential lots. And there are a lot of lots that we have recently approved that are neighborhood of 50 feet wide, 60 feet wide. Those lots are way too small. The chickens are, they're just too close. I know that there are coops that you can buy, but the problem is that chicken is a magnet for predators. You know, whether that's going to be snakes, coyotes, bobcats, coons, they all, and all of those will prey on pets that people have and running around their property. I just don't think this is a good idea at all for all the residential lots. I think we should have left it the way it is, and simply the only change made was increase the number of chickens from four to six. Another question I had was, we're allowing slaughtering of these chickens. To me, that is something in yards that are so small. You're going to put a pot of boiling water out in the backyard and cut the head off the chicken and let it run around for a little while and then dump it in. That itself is a terrible smell of burning feathers is what you really get. Oh, I like that smell. I love it. I can't smell it. It is gross. I'm just totally against this, except for just increasing the number. How many? Mr. Ron, I had Ruth ahead of you. I'm sorry. Oh, she didn't take the mic back. Well, she had her hand up. Oh, okay. She had her hand up. She had her hair over here. Okay. So, I think I can answer part of Mr. Barger's question. And if I remember correctly, it was a quarter acre lot. And because of the way the zoning sat, or maybe I was wrong on the lot size, but this person, these people were only allowed to have one chicken. Based on the way that it was, if I remember correctly. If you have less than a half an acre, you can have one chicken. Correct. Half an acre or more, you can have four. Okay, so it was less than that, and you can have one chicken. Chicken or flock animals. Flock animals mean that they flock together. So, having one chicken isolated by itself is seen as cruel. That is why places like Tractor Supply, you have at least my Tractor Supply, where I go, requires you to buy a minimum of four chickens. So, unless you find somewhere else to buy the chicken, and if you're going to supply your family with eggs, because that's what most people do with them, how are you going to supply your family with eggs with one chicken that lays one egg sometimes? Because they don't lay every single day of the year. During molting, which is several months long, I'll give a little overview. They don't lay at all, hardly. So, you will get no eggs. So, they're allowed to have one chicken that may supply them with 200 eggs a year, maybe, for a whole family. That's what people are wanting to be able to feed their families and raise them. Second of all, while back in the day, yes, and I will try and be gentle here, they used to do it in a much crueler fashion of how you butchered chickens. I would recommend, maybe they want to put some language in there about using a cone for slaughtering. Nothing runs around, your meat is better. But when you slaughter an older hen, it's not for meat. And furthermore, chickens run, chickens have a whole lifespan. They do not lay eggs their entire lifespan. So, you give somebody four chickens or six chickens, and it quits laying, and now they have that chicken for another two to three years or however long before the chicken passes away, and it's no longer producing eggs. Generally, what happens with those chickens is they end up dumped out in my area. I'll tell you that what was just described about them going into stockpots, what happens when they get dumped out in my area as well. Because nobody can have all of these chickens that people, so allowing them to slaughter them, it allows people, and I know many people who do this, it's an older chicken. You make bone broth. It is extremely nutritionally dense, and it is a good, solid product for your family. Therefore, you're not just knocking it off and throwing it into the garbage can to make it somebody else's problem. It has been fully utilized from beginning to end for your family's needs. And I'm free to answer questions because, yes, I live on agricultural land, and I do that. Ruth, do you have I heart chickens? I would wear it. I love my chickens. I call them my followers because when you walk through the yard, they all flock behind you. I know. They kind of become pets. My sister's got a bunch, and they all have names. They do do pets, but some people can't afford, they need to be able to have the eggs, and so the option to be able to provide more food for your family and replenish your stock at the same time. Is there a cost associated with having chickens? Is that part of this? Because I didn't, sorry? Like any kind of fee. The fee hasn't been established yet. That would be established when it goes before the commission. And I would, I don't, I'm not opposed to Ruth's idea about notifying the neighbors as opposed to getting their permission as a concession. And I would also just support there not being a fee for having chickens in your yard. That would be my input on this whenever there's a motion made. I'm going to wait on Ruth to make that motion. Mr. I would have a comment beforehand. Mr. Robert. Yes, sir. This is only applying to District 1. Correct. If it's good for District 1, shouldn't we have it apply to all the districts? That wasn't the direction from the Board of County Commissioners. The Board directed this ordinance be just for the District 1 commission boundaries. I see. Was there somebody else's question? Yeah, John had a question. Yeah, you guys are not going to believe this, but I worked on a farm for two and a half years in Nebraska. We used to take old laying hens, and we did dispose of them by making broth, like she said. What is the disposal process that people would use that have these chickens if it's for eggs and they age out? How are they going to dispose of them? Take them to the dump? Throw them in the trash? That's one question. The other one is, has anybody contacted Humane Society about this? What are their regulations or what do they feel should be restrictions on families that own chickens and how they are to provide housing for them and feeding them and taking care of them on their land? And the third thing is, you know, we had this big egg shortage last year, and it was because of bird flu, and so they slaughtered all the chickens in the country, and that's why all the prices went up. And will bird flu get into the District 1 and wipe everything out? And, you know, it could be a problem. We would take that chance in District 1. I second that. I can say from my entire, a lot of us have chickens out where I live, including all of my neighbors, and while the rest of the country slaughtered their chickens for bird flu and other things, I haven't seen that anywhere in District 1 in my area. And if I may, John, Mr. Haben-Gottner, we also have it in here that we would like people to participate in the IFIS class, Backyard Chickens, so that that will teach them how to maintain and care for their chickens and their property. But is that a requirement, or is it just a suggestion? It would be a requirement if it passes the way that it is now. If there's no modification to that, that would be a requirement of that AA. And then also, as far as waiving the fees for this, there is fees associated. There's a cost associated with reviewing the administrative approval. You know, there's staff costs. So if you're waiving the fees and you're saying, you know, this is a free thing, then, you know, that staff cost has to come from somewhere. So just to keep that in mind. How about District 1's budget? All right. Can I make a motion? Yes. I'd like to make a motion to approve, to recommend approval of this with removing number 5, a signed affidavit of consent from all adjacent property owners. Second. Okay, item H5. We have a motion by Ruth, a second by Jared. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Opposed? Nay. Mr. Ron, opposed? I would like to thank Ruth for the chicken education because I learned a lot there. I'm so sorry. No, I mean, sincerely, I mean that. Okay, item H6. Item H6. Again, we request recommendation for amendments to Chapter 102, Article 2, Business Tax Receipt and Repealing and Reserving Section 62-1155, zoning approval for business tax receipt, approval of home occupations. Mr. Chairman. Yes, sir. Yes, sir, John. When I read this, I was, you know, I thought, oh, no big deal. Well, we don't know anything about taxes and we don't really care. But taking the zoning part out of it is a little problematic. If people are running businesses in their homes and they have trucks or they have equipment that becomes an eyesore in the neighborhood and code enforcement doesn't do their job, that there should be some sort of a linkage allowing the zoning to be kept, not taken out. I think we should let it remain. There was an HVAC guy that I knew that used to have all of his HVAC units in front of his house. And, you know, and the neighbors, you know, they tried to fight it and they couldn't. And I've seen that with plumbers. They do all kinds of things in their domiciles. And it's not just like an office business, you know, it's storage of equipment. So I would like to see that left in there and not take the zoning out. Thank you. Yes, Ruth. Question for a second. I realize that the reason for this change is to comply with state law. Yes, ma'am. Is there a way to implement a tracking of this? Well, it goes through, but to be able to track it. And I agree with Mr. Huff and Gardner. It becomes, I understand, we have to comply with state law. But if we're tracking it, we're tracking problems. And I say that because I'll use, so sorry, I'll use the land, illegal land issues that have been going on in North Brevard as an example. There is a disconnect between the constitutional offices and planning and zoning that allows for illegal land, land illegally rezoned and slide through the cracks in District 1. And so because there's not a mechanism, that currently has fixed that. So when we remove these things, again, I understand it's matching state law, but is there a way to put in tracking to be able to know when there's going to be problems? Because really, it's quite backwards. You're not going to know what's going on until the complaints are coming in. And to be blunt about it, code enforcement is quite limited on, I mean, the person has to be wanting to comply with code enforcement for code enforcement to be effective. So coming in on the back end of things, again, I realize it's state law, but is there some type of tracking mechanism that we can implement to help this process and understand how it is going to affect and maybe get ahead of some things? So the tax collector's office has a tracking system where we can get updates about what BTRs are being approved. However, as you stated, code enforcement is reactive, not proactive. That would take quite a bit of staff time to be able to go through each one. And also, we do get those reports quarterly from the tax collector's office. Does state law still allow for limits on noise, parking, and safety, or does it done away with all of it? No, we're not preempted in that way. But we are preempted that we can't prohibit certain home-based businesses. So, but they still have to meet the performance standards, you know, for noise and pollution, smoke, all of those things, parking. Because, I don't know, I just, I find it troublesome. I know that there's a lot of businesses going on in private neighborhoods. I know there's full-on garages with testing vehicles around the neighborhood, among a million other things. And it's really difficult because you put in a code enforcement claim case, and then you get retaliated against. So, this seems, I don't know what the answer is, but this seems like a free-for-all. I'm wide open. We're not up to state level. I know we're not. That's, they're there to fight. We're an advisory board, right? So, I don't like this. I didn't get a second. Do we have another motion? Do you have a motion? I just made a motion. To deny it. To deny it. He is using his microphone. Go ahead. Huh? Okay, we have a motion by Ron on item H6 to deny. No, John. John, sorry. And a second by Robert. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Aye. You don't have a roll call vote? No, it's just one. It's just one. Now, when your air conditioning breaks. Then he can't, he can't put it. 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